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Vomik posted:all new cars should have a massive tax associated with them. we already have enough cars Yeah the thought of Electric cars being environmentally better is pretty hilarious
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vyelkin posted:electric vehicles are heavy duty vehicles Electric vehicles absolutely aren't 2-4 times the weight, though. Also, considering all the heavy "recreational" trucks out there, this is a pretty laughable argument. etalian posted:Yeah the thought of Electric cars being environmentally better is pretty hilarious They demonstrably are environmentally better.
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Fame Douglas posted:They demonstrably are environmentally better. For when Tesla FSD goes off the road and takes out the luxury lifestyle driver?
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etalian posted:Yeah the thought of Electric cars being environmentally better is pretty hilarious n-n-no, creating more huge chunks of dangerous garbage out of scarce, nonrenewable minerals to drive around 1-4 people for 10 years is environmentally good
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A Tesla ev is like 4500 pounds and a new NA accord is like 3500. A big rig can weigh up to 80,000. An H1 was around 8000 pounds. The new catastrophically stupid electric hummer is still under 10,000
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Fame Douglas posted:They demonstrably are environmentally better. most electricity in this country isn’t clean so not really
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Fame Douglas posted:They demonstrably are environmentally better. i guess, in the same way that drinking a cup of turpentine every day is better for your health than drinking two cups
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Dec 16, 2021 21:21
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ban cars gently caress joe biden
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Vomik posted:massive drop with the "young" where young is described as literally everyone under the age of 44 lol I was watching bloomberg and the guy was talking about all of these non working "kids" and then said people under 40 lmao lol all these middle age rascals loving lmao lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Libs are so rules-oriented they don't even know how politics work anymore. if you ask a liberal to choose between jesus and barrabas, he would adjourn or suggest the formation of committee to determine the relevant criteria for making a decision
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oscarthewilde posted:if you ask a liberal to choose between jesus and barrabas, he would adjourn or suggest the formation of committee to determine the relevant criteria for making a decision the correct choice is the prophet muhammad
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This Jesus guy, is he the reason there was a huge crowd blocking roads down by the shore the other day? I was late for work because of that poo poo, crucify him
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:most electricity in this country isn’t clean so not really I want to step in with some boring engineer brain lib poo poo here. Even if your local grid is 100% peat coal a typical electric sedan still beats the total carbon emissions of a typical gas sedan by the time they go 50,000 miles, even accounting for the huge carbon cost of making batteries in the first place. Because regenerative breaking wastes so much less energy than throwing away (0.5 tons)x(60 mph)x(60 mph) over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Now if you compare that to something unfair like mass transit, you'll see the obvious conclusion of kill all cars. But,
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Flesh Forge posted:This Jesus guy, is he the reason there was a huge crowd blocking roads down by the shore the other day? I was late for work because of that poo poo, crucify him Was gonna compare pontius pilate to the dems but despite washing his hands of the whole ordeal and sentencing an obviously innocent person to death, he did give the crowd what it wanted.
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Father unto your hands I commend my... my... you know, the thing.
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https://twitter.com/sambrodey/statu...ingawful.com%2F November 25th, December 21st, February 7th, Bqwhatevr. build back never
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:most electricity in this country isn’t clean so not really even considering that a new EV is better than a new ICE vehicle pretty quickly as the increased emissions in manufacturing them is so much smaller than the annual emissions from driving the ICE car. however the real gotcha is that all the EV manufacturers retain the "rights" to the environmental benefit and then sells them so that others are allowed to pollute. you don't get to claim the environmental benefit at all. its like if we made a car more pedestrian safe, so the car company gets to keep the "avoided killing kids in cross walks" credits to sell to someone else so they can legally kill a few kids in the crosswalk. does buying your new pedestrian safe car actually save lives? if we can sell avoidance credits then no, no it doesn't.
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I mean in the long run entropy will consume all humans and all of their endeavors, so really why worry about legislation not pertaining to giving Israel money
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ikanreed posted:I want to step in with some boring engineer brain lib poo poo here. The three cool power plants in North Carolina put out more pollution than the 8 million cars in North Carolina. https://ncpolicywatch.com/2014/09/24/the-amazing-scale-of-coal-fired-power-plant-pollution-in-nc/
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I keep those credits for safety reasons. You know. Like when papa gets a little too deep in his drinks and does a lil oopsie doo at 35 mph.
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vyelkin posted:Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't young. It's actually the boomers and gen Xers in our country who have young souls and hope in their hearts. Those lacking in years (I refuse to use the term "young" for their ilk) are cynical and selfish and care for nothing but their cell phones and bank accounts.
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PeterCat posted:The three cool power plants in North Carolina put out more pollution than the 8 million cars in North Carolina. correct, but also true that an EV on the NC grid produces less than a 1/3 of the co2e per mile compared to an average ICE car https://evtool.ucsusa.org/#z/27513/_/_/_ we obviously have to get rid of all fossil fuels (and EVs alone can't be the solution either because just replacing all our pov cars with EVs either takes too long or is too resource intensive or both)
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which this does tie in hard with why the dems are going to lose. we literally have the apocalypse. we have the risk of human extinction. and not only that, its going to be shittier and shittier for Americans as we march towards this. the fantasy that we can keep the climate out with a wall is already popped. now is the moment for leadership. now is the time for the end of Independence Day speech. this could be a transformational moment, when the options are transform or parish. instead, we'll see democrats foreclose their own future out of fear of optics today.
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"should EV users pay their fair share" is such a convenient distraction from the real point, which is that bending over backwards to collect those droplets of revenue isn't worth the disincentives it creates to EV adoption. So of course red AND blue states do it whenever possible
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that thread seems good, I will be voting for the democrats!
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Trabisnikof posted:correct, but also true that an EV on the NC grid produces less than a 1/3 of the co2e per mile compared to an average ICE car Public transportation would be a better replacement for POVs than 1 EV per ICE anyway.
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Trabisnikof posted:which this does tie in hard with why the dems are going to lose. Seems she deleted it but Marianne Williamson posted a screencap of one of the 2020 pres debates and said "It's this moment, and what we have are these men." and I really felt that
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PeterCat posted:Public transportation would be a better replacement for POVs than 1 EV per ICE anyway. America would rather burn to the ground than invest in public transportation (lol. lmao)
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Fame Douglas posted:Electric vehicles absolutely aren't 2-4 times the weight, though. Also, considering all the heavy "recreational" trucks out there, this is a pretty laughable argument. if you want to see something 2-4 times the weight it was 20 years ago, call my ex-wife!!!!
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Business Gorillas posted:if you want to see something 2-4 times the weight it was 20 years ago, call my ex-wife!!!!
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it's hilarious that trump could get 60 votes on anything because DECORUM and BIPARTISANSHIP but good ol dealmaker joe biden who's gonna win over republicans can't even get his own party in line
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:it's hilarious that trump could get 60 votes on anything because DECORUM and BIPARTISANSHIP but good ol dealmaker joe biden who's gonna win over republicans can't even get his own party in line well yeah what do you expect with these drat progressive youths attacking him all the time? Bernie better get these kids in line or else we aren’t gonna get anything done
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me, reading about the dems in 2021: https://twitter.com/salgentile/status/1471568721571418121?s=21
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Homeless Friend posted:Shelve Build Back Better Let's Not Build Back Better LNBBB Also, this is pretty much why the bills were separated, this can't come as a surprise.
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Fame Douglas posted:Also, this is pretty much why the bills were separated, this can't come as a surprise. need that clip of bernie saying its gonna be 3.5 trillion lol
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:me, reading about the dems in 2021: Having a chat in my friends group chat today and I'm going to ask the thread since we're stumped: Have the Dems passed or done literally anything to help anyone since 2020?
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they took credit for things trump did to help people before getting rid of them
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Business Gorillas posted:Having a chat in my friends group chat today and I'm going to ask the thread since we're stumped: they sent us 1400 bucks and claimed the 600 from trump were also theirs
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