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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

keep punching joe posted:

Greggs tried to pivot to healthy food, failed, and then moved on to instead creating vegan versions of its existing garbage pastries. Unrelated but I got caught up in the McDonald's analogy.

What I'm saying is, and here me out, vegan new Labour.

A pack of hateful cunts who are damaging to the causes they claim to espouse? Sounds right.

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fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1471769349014929411

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Some people I used to work with wanted to do Christmas drinks tomorrow. Even by Wednesday there were still about a dozen up for it. That's now down to two and it's been postponed.

Seems like people are taking the new figures more seriously than they are still wanting to go out just because some idiot tories did last year.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Meanwhile my local friends are all falling ill with either confirmed covid or suspiciously covid-like symptoms and they are still wondering whether they'll be well enough to go tear it up all night on new year's eve; one is asking if anyone wants to go see Spider-Man tonight.

They're nice enough people, but the last few months have me seriously questioning how attached I am to where I live and the company I keep.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
Yet another of my London-based friends has come down with it today

That's five out of ten of that particular group, and none of them have seen each other in weeks

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Barry Foster posted:

Yet another of my London-based friends has come down with it today

That's five out of ten of that particular group, and none of them have seen each other in weeks

It feels totally mental here. I have so far managed to avoid it but I've been pinged four times and have had two people tell me they were close contacts. Basically all I do now is work, look after the kids and PCR tests.

We're basically doing the bare minimum leaving the house now, pondering whether heading to my folks for Christmas is a good idea but we've burned through so much holiday through the year while the schools were closed that we need someone to take them while we work.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






It’s surprising / depressing how the cycle seems to repeat:

Tories beat Labour in GE
Labour tries to become more Tory because hey, Tories are winning
Nobody likes Labour as off-brand Tories so anyone not inclined to vote Tory votes Lib Dem
Lib Dems get more votes, splitting the non Tory vote
Tories win GE

You’d think that Labour would have a clear leftist identity and a standing agreement with the LDs to introduce proportional representation on the off chance there’s a hung parliament but oh well.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Beefeater1980 posted:

You’d think that Labour would have a clear leftist identity and a standing agreement with the LDs to introduce proportional representation on the off chance there’s a hung parliament but oh well.
Ah but you see that wouldn't test well with the all important sociopathic press baron demographic.

OzyMandrill
Aug 12, 2013

Look upon my words
and despair

babies: People far stupider than you have been successfully rearing babies without killing them/each other for millenia. Don't sweat it ;)

OzyMandrill fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Dec 17, 2021

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

OzyMandrill posted:

babies: People far stupider than you

Yep that's how I view them.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

So the guy investigating Boris’s parties had his own party too…

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

OzyMandrill posted:

babies: People far stupider than you have been successfully rearing babies without killing them/each other for millenia. Don't sweat it ;)

Not to be a huge downer, but while true this advice is also less effective than you might think. By and large as a species we have been breeding and growing the next generation successfully constantly.
On the flip side infant/child death (not to mention miscarriages and stillbirths) are something that does happen a lot. And it remains one of the last big taboos in society. People basically completely shut down when this topic ever comes up in conversation.

And I get it. As a parent your brain basically gets re-wired to be constantly worried about your babies health. It's such a big, huge thing that you don't want to confront it so you stay away from the topic. While at the same time, being hugely scared about all the small issues with your baby.
But if you have lost a child (l have) then it's super anxiety you always deal with.

An example? Most parents will find themselves staring at their sleeping baby just to make sure they are still breathing. This is completely normal.
I do this. I also will sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and try to see if my baby is still breathing. Which in a dark room with no lights, is quite difficult. This is due to padt trauma. But you get used to it.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

So do we think labour just couldn't afford to contest a byelection?

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Borrovan posted:

e: seconding infacol, worked for us

infacol one end, sudocrem on' t'other




almost felt broody for a bit till I remembered how bad the no regular sleep got me- got all the way to getting onto a bus to work covered in baby puke with a very vague concept of how I got there or even existing in space/time

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Beefeater1980 posted:

It’s surprising / depressing how the cycle seems to repeat:

Tories beat Labour in GE
Labour tries to become more Tory because hey, Tories are winning
Nobody likes Labour as off-brand Tories so anyone not inclined to vote Tory votes Lib Dem
Lib Dems get more votes, splitting the non Tory vote
Tories win GE

You’d think that Labour would have a clear leftist identity and a standing agreement with the LDs to introduce proportional representation on the off chance there’s a hung parliament but oh well.

well, that pattern is pretty recent. Wind back to the 1990s and there was no shortage of commenters asserting that the Tories are facing unstoppable demographic destruction

traditionally the 1980s Labour left recognized that its brand of socialist politics did not actually command a majority amongst the British public and relied on 1) machining Labour as a party to browbeat the party's social democrat and liberal factions into line, and then 2) using FPTP to then obtain a Labour majority government that does not then have to compromise with social democrats and liberals outside the party to realize a socialist programme

quoth the CLPD: "PR would mean no majority Labour Governments."

(this was not wholly unreasonable as an outlook, even in opposition: for many, the experience of the SDP suggested that FPTP was the only thing that saved Labour from becoming a third party at Westminster)

I think there really is a generational shift however - first, Labour's apparently irreversible loss of Scotland's once-safe constituencies at Westminster. It did, in the end, become the third party there. Second, the new generation of leftists no longer pessimistically thinks that its preferred programme is genuinely unsaleable at the ballot box, or that it requires united fronts or committee delegate machination for a chance to be tried, or that it cannot be incrementally achieved without compromise.

Hence the bold future, I daresay... but the transition will take time.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

josh04 posted:

So do we think labour just couldn't afford to contest a byelection?

They took out a bunch of ads but its activists knocking doors and getting the vote out that win elections and they've already purged the people that do the actual legwork.

domhal
Dec 30, 2008


0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.
The new Labour strategy is for Lib Dems to win enough seats to make Starmer deputy prime-minister.

Skeletome
Feb 4, 2011

Tell them about the tournament!


Few pages back but I had no idea Britain elects was founded by Lily! I went to Uni with her and we were in the same LGBT society. Her passing was a real sudden shock.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009


You would think they would double down on the twerp, god knows he's not helping Labour.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

The Question IRL posted:

An example? Most parents will find themselves staring at their sleeping baby just to make sure they are still breathing. This is completely normal.
I do this. I also will sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and try to see if my baby is still breathing. Which in a dark room with no lights, is quite difficult. This is due to padt trauma. But you get used to it.

My wife used to do this. If you're really worried there are also baby monitors with an attached motion sensor pad so you get full feedback from the cot. I was cheap so I just left multiple CCTV cameras pointed at the little guy

Re: white noise - if you have a spare phone you can use an app which will cost a fiver for a lifetime subscription and be a lot handier than a cuddly toy.

There's all sorts of weird stuff out there that :capitalism: tries to convince you to buy for the baby. I can't believe the array of auto-rocking cots that's for sale.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1471818865822900226

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003


I love how him ‘taking responsibility’ is just blaming everyone and everything else

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

This longer video is better, as it also includes the question and the followup.

He can't mask his arrogance

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1471840201144209414

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

Z the IVth posted:

If you're really worried there are also baby monitors with an attached motion sensor pad so you get full feedback from the cot.

Note that this can be a fantastic way to give yourself a heart attack in the middle of the night. My daughter had a habit of shuffling to the edge of the cot where the sensor pad didn't quite detect her breathing. Genuinely the fastest my wife & I have moved since turning thirty.

On another occasion there was a powercut, and we awoke to similar panic from the sound of the battery-powered handset bleeping because the base unit was no longer sending signals.

Of course both of those situations are much better than the alternative.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
I dunno if gin chat is still going but before I catch up I need to recommend Martin Miller’s. Best gin I ever drank.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Lol Sturgeon just shredded some Daily Mail reporter on TV.

https://twitter.com/JamesAithie/status/1471831463599431684

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012



I mean, he's fundamentally correct. This happened not because of anything the Tories have done, or the results of those actions (which are all very bad), it's happened because the press decided to start pushing those actions and results for their own reasons. Can't really blame him for being frustrated that the press who would happily boost them for over a decade now suddenly changed their tune. I can just blame him for everything else.

Renfield
Feb 29, 2008

The full version of this is just incoherent, if you can stand 8min of it

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1471827747240566785

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


keep punching joe posted:

Lol Sturgeon just shredded some Daily Mail reporter on TV.

https://twitter.com/JamesAithie/status/1471831463599431684

Enjoyed that.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Congrats to all the child havers but honestly I personally can't imagine a worse hell and I don't understand at all how parents do it much less seem to enjoy it

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1471850390140469257

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Looks like the deradicalization of my dad is going well, last big argument we had I had to explain that he was arguing with 14 year olds on twitter, and that none of anything he read on facebook was trustworthy because it was all twisting the narrative to fit an agenda.


So mum convinced him to stop going on facebook and twitter, and we found him some heavily moderated football and cricket forums and would you look at that, he's now having to form his own opinions based on his Thatcherite past and is OUTRAGED about the Christmas parties instead of defending the government in the face of all logic.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

So, uh, if you're trying to get the booster, get an appointment no matter how much of a pain the website is. I just tried for a walk-in. The NHS guys turned up half an hour late and after taking account of those who had appointments they had enough shots left for 4 (four) people - there's a shortage, not surprisingly. I was not that far in the front of the queue. So, the risk of half an hour of hanging around with a bunch of possibly-Omicron'd strangers, none of the benefit.

Also my feet hurt.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Beefeater1980 posted:

You’d think that Labour would have a clear leftist identity and a standing agreement with the LDs to introduce proportional representation on the off chance there’s a hung parliament but oh well.

You'd have to have the Lib Dems go for it too, which remember they couldn't stand to have Corbyn in office for one single day even in order to get their second referendum. They're all about the 'progressive alliance' when and only when it means Labour people voting for them.

1965917
Oct 4, 2005

Covid numbers have been updated for today and guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

"Daily 93,045, increase of 132,836(38.6%)"

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Number go up

Population go down.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/NewsForAllUK/status/1471874221110349835

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

ThomasPaine posted:

Congrats to all the child havers but honestly I personally can't imagine a worse hell and I don't understand at all how parents do it much less seem to enjoy it

I left all the genetic spread to my sister, she had eight. :rolleyes:

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

1965917 posted:

Covid numbers have been updated for today and guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

"Daily 93,045, increase of 132,836(38.6%)"

Look on the bright side, at least it'll peak quickly :shrug:

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Huh, Omicron must be decent at getting by vaccines then. Interested to see how much this translates into hospitalisations/deaths. Hopefully the vaccines offer enough protection that only a tiny fraction of these huge numbers of cases actually get very sick. Very odd to me that some people seem to still think covid will be 'over' at any point. We really should now be reconfiguring our expectations accordingly. Best case scenario now is this becomes recognised as another endemic seasonal respiratory condition that we can plan for and largely defang as an existential threat.

Just Another Lurker posted:

I left all the genetic spread to my sister, she had eight. :rolleyes:

I genuinely feel kinda bad because my mum and dad obviously really want the experience of being grandparents but neither me or my brother are remotely interested in having kids.

I can't imagine something more stressful than having to live with a fragile creature that I am fully responsible for and which also uses up all my money and free time and sleep while apparently on an endless mission to find new and exciting ways to put itself in mortal danger

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Dec 17, 2021

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