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thumper57 posted:Really? The over-the-top heroic music bursts ruin a lot of scenes for me. You're allowed to have different opinions on things but Howard Shore's score is widely considered a masterpiece and that's hardly obscure knowledge.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayb9v_Ycqq4 Not very heroic yet still very good music. I do like Movie Fellowship.
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Dec 17, 2021 16:34
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Gotta say the complete lack of sex in the amazon wheel of time show has me feeling a small sense of relief that amazons LOTR show won't just be filled with elf sexposition scenes.
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Dec 17, 2021 16:46
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Southpaugh posted:Gotta say the complete lack of sex in the amazon wheel of time show has me feeling a small sense of relief that amazons LOTR show won't just be filled with elf sexposition scenes. Do they smooth their skirts though
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skasion posted:Star Wars needs that big Korngoldy score blaring away or everything it tried to do would pretty much fall flat. That guy who does the overdub youtube videos of Star Wars characters saying/singing weird poo poo did a version of the throne room scene from the end of A New Hope without music. It’s taking the piss obviously but it’s also very instructive of the way Williams’ score props up the movies. And the way they wrote the LOTR movies, they were right to do the same thing. Yeah, but I can remember points in Star Wars where there isn't music playing. Lotr just doesn't give you a break there. It leans on that from start to finish. The score is very good but it would land better imo if they actually gave it a rest once in a while.
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Jackson does not use music at the beginning of battle scenes For example the famous fight with the cave troll in Moria The music doesn’t pick up until halfway though iirc
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Dec 17, 2021 16:54
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Data Graham posted:Of all the complaints I've heard about the movies, this is the first time I've heard that one.
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Dec 17, 2021 17:17
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You know what bit of the soundtrack is really good? The bit where Bilbo gives the farewell speech and then disappears at the party and sneaks away while they’re all freaking out and then reappears laughing at how smart and funny he is. Absolutely perfectly conveyed through the music
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Dec 17, 2021 17:58
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NikkolasKing posted:Oh what I wouldn't give for Christopher Lee to have played Saruman with half the depth he had in the books... Still my fave Tolkien villain. Saruman in the movies is an evil wizard having the best time of his life. Like, you can't watch the Caradhras scene and not smile at how much fun Saruman is having doing evil poo poo. I also like little thing like Saurman clearly being shooked after talking to Sauron on the palantir.
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Dec 17, 2021 18:29
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Ginette Reno posted:Yeah, but I can remember points in Star Wars where there isn't music playing. Lotr just doesn't give you a break there. It leans on that from start to finish. I actually have not even watched them for a few years at this point, so i grabbed just a few dialogue heavy scenes from youtube. Most feature a lot of points where it stops playing. Other it is more constant, notably the aragorn/eowyn scene. However its hardly bombastic during dialogue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmghV5AimjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbAPwwAXaWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIxlMA8U8qA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWHjhRuRoZU
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Dec 17, 2021 18:35
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Yeah I haven't watched it in years so there might be more places where it lets a scene breathe than I remember. I just remember the last time I did watch feeling a but smothered by it after a while.
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Dec 17, 2021 18:41
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skasion posted:Star Wars needs that big Korngoldy score blaring away or everything it tried to do would pretty much fall flat. That guy who does the overdub youtube videos of Star Wars characters saying/singing weird poo poo did a version of the throne room scene from the end of A New Hope without music. It’s taking the piss obviously but it’s also very instructive of the way Williams’ score props up the movies. And the way they wrote the LOTR movies, they were right to do the same thing. Every time they lift dialogue from the books we get a taste of what the movies (as good as they are) could have been. It's probably almost impossible for them to be improved upon in another iteration, though, despite that what we got is flawed, because some parts of them are so astoundingly good like the score. Everyone working on them seems to have made it a labor of love and threw themselves wholly into it, and even if they had some ideas I disagreed with I can't fault the ambition or effort.
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Dec 17, 2021 18:46
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Winifred Madgers posted:Every time they lift dialogue from the books we get a taste of what the movies (as good as they are) could have been. It's probably almost impossible for them to be improved upon in another iteration, though, despite that what we got is flawed, because some parts of them are so astoundingly good like the score. Everyone working on them seems to have made it a labor of love and threw themselves wholly into it, and even if they had some ideas I disagreed with I can't fault the ambition or effort. Yep, we've done it to death and ive posted about it enough times that i could just repost them if need be, but this sums it up. most of the time the changes at least had logic and the intent was to make it more palatable or easier to communicate to audiences that have no idea what a hobbit is, and given this is pre-GOT, whose only other knowledge of fantasy was Willow and the lesser 80's trash.
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Dec 17, 2021 18:50
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Winifred Madgers posted:Every time they lift dialogue from the books we get a taste of what the movies (as good as they are) could have been. It's probably almost impossible for them to be improved upon in another iteration, though, despite that what we got is flawed, because some parts of them are so astoundingly good like the score. Everyone working on them seems to have made it a labor of love and threw themselves wholly into it, and even if they had some ideas I disagreed with I can't fault the ambition or effort. I think the art direction, costuming, and score are all basically perfect, even if I agree about the Pelennor Fields ought to be orchards and farmland not.... empty plains.
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Dec 17, 2021 18:55
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I would probably be bothered by the music constantly playing throughout if it wasn't so loving good. It's the perfect movie soundtrack.
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Dec 17, 2021 19:12
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euphronius posted:Jackson does not use music at the beginning of battle scenes They also drop the music right as the Rohirrim smash into the Orc frontline at pelennor fields.
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Dec 17, 2021 19:12
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OPAONI posted:I think the art direction, costuming, and score are all basically perfect, even if I agree about the Pelennor Fields ought to be orchards and farmland not.... empty plains. I don’t remember farmland in Rohan either. It's as if the Shire supplied the entirety of Middle-Earth with maize and tomatoes. And cabbages. And carrots, sausages and whatnot.
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Dec 17, 2021 19:13
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and the halflings' leaf
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I just read the main section of Lord of the Rings for the first time since high school. I was surprised to find that the long denouement was my favorite part. It’s just such a relief after seeing Frodo and Sam hopeless and struggling for so long. And I really like the way it shows the effects of war on people. Some go home greater, stronger, and more mature, and problems that would have seemed enormous before prove simple in comparison to the experience of the war. Some go home wiser and more tired but fundamentally the same. And some take wounds of war home that will never really heal. It’s good stuff!
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Dec 17, 2021 19:38
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Zopotantor posted:I don’t remember farmland in Rohan either. It's as if the Shire supplied the entirety of Middle-Earth with maize and tomatoes. Nice crispy bacon too. The only food they raise in Gondor is symbolic cherry tomatoes
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Dec 17, 2021 19:48
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The movies were a pragmatic adaptation, and good.
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Dec 17, 2021 20:10
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People who think the movies have too much music: I feel like its important to know, do you actually like music? There are a lot of people who don't and think its just random noise I've heard. Like Jeff Bezos for example. Apparently he thinks its a waste of time and that's actually why Amazon was so late in selling it. Some people just don't Get music.
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belching carrot-eating man at 1:02 is my spirit animal nrook posted:I just read the main section of Lord of the Rings for the first time since high school. I was surprised to find that the long denouement was my favorite part. It’s just such a relief after seeing Frodo and Sam hopeless and struggling for so long. Agreed, it's one of the best parts. I also love Merry and Pippin's relationships to Denethor and Theoden more every time I read the books, especially contrasting the reasons they offer their service and the ceremonies with which it is accepted.
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Pham Nuwen posted:belching carrot-eating man at 1:02 is my spirit animal That’s Peter Jackson
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nrook posted:I just read the main section of Lord of the Rings for the first time since high school. I was surprised to find that the long denouement was my favorite part. It’s just such a relief after seeing Frodo and Sam hopeless and struggling for so long. When you're done, watch 'Tolkien' the movie: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_(film) It puts this stuff in perspective and I liked how it went into Tolkien's war experiences as well as how it effected the people around him. Made me tear up.
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Does anyone here know of any books that get into Tolkien's faith in depth?
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Karma Tornado posted:Does anyone here know of any books that get into Tolkien's faith in depth? the bible 
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A Moose posted:People who think the movies have too much music: I feel like its important to know, do you actually like music? There are a lot of people who don't and think its just random noise I've heard. Like Jeff Bezos for example. Apparently he thinks its a waste of time and that's actually why Amazon was so late in selling it. Some people just don't Get music. For people who think sitcoms use laugh tracks too much, do you just not like laughter?? I don't think anyone has said the music isn't good, just that they lean on it too hard sometimes. It's been a few years since I've watched so I don't have a specific scene in mind, there's just times where I felt like it was pretty insulting that I might not get something heroic is happening if they don't toot DOO DOO DOo, DOO DOO DOO, dooodoodoo, doo doo doo Doo doodoodoo Or maybe you're right and I'm some kind of idiot robotman struggling to understand this human mu-sic.
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thumper57 posted:For people who think sitcoms use laugh tracks too much, do you just not like laughter?? what did i just read
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Would it really change things if Frodo and Sam were in a sexual relationship while they were on their solo part of the quest?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Would it really change things if Frodo and Sam were in a sexual relationship while they were on their solo part of the quest? Yeah it would be gross. They’re roughing it for most of a year and hardly ever get to take a proper bath. They probably smell terrible Also, Gollum is there.
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skasion posted:Yeah it would be gross. They’re roughing it for most of a year and hardly ever get to take a proper bath. They probably smell terrible Frodo isn't taking the One Ring out for air.
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I can't imagine anything I'd want to do less than have sex with my bf during a year in the wilderness
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If frodo wears the One cock Ring does that shoot his jizz into the shadow realm?
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skasion posted:Yeah it would be gross. They’re roughing it for most of a year and hardly ever get to take a proper bath. They probably smell terrible I've always thought the makeup team for those scenes did an astonishing job. Sam and especially Frodo look genuinely wretched halfway up that drat lava mountain.
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Tree Bucket posted:I've always thought the makeup team for those scenes did an astonishing job. Sam and especially Frodo look genuinely wretched halfway up that drat lava mountain. Then again the make up team probably didn't do anything for Viggo Mortensen. He just lived in the woods during the entire shoot.
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If they increase everything else, surely Rings of Power increase sexual potency? Do the Three extend how long you last in bed like they extend the beauty of forest realms? Does the One allow Sauron to control the lesser rings owners junk? Is Sauron’s control over the Nazgûl just the control a Viagra salesman has over nine very old men?
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Alhazred posted:Saruman in the movies is an evil wizard having the best time of his life. Like, you can't watch the Caradhras scene and not smile at how much fun Saruman is having doing evil poo poo. I also like little thing like Saurman clearly being shooked after talking to Sauron on the palantir. I appreciate an actor having fun with their role as much as anybody but Saruman is such a fascinating and tragic character in the books, especially if you read all of Tolkien's history. Saruman spent forever trying to stop Sauron but he rightly concluded it was impossible. There was no hope for Middle-earth besides a literal act of divine intervention. All of Saruman's knowledge and efforts really meant nothing. So he logically concluded if Sauron's power could not possibly be resisted, the only option was to seize that power for himself. He's fallen down the rabbit hole by the time of LOTR due to his own flaws and the Palantir but we still see some vestiges of the noble soul he once was and how he's torn between guilt, shame, and fear. Saruman vs Gandalf is possibly the best example of Tolkien's religiosity in the books. Saruman despaired of their weakness but Gandalf never faltered in his faith in God. From this angle, I find Saruman very relatable.
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