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Beefeater1980 posted:Technically they’re topolects not dialects, as was drilled into me at uni. There’s a nice post on it from some dude at Princeton here: Ah the Water Margin. I have the entire series on my computer. I was in love with Lin Chung (actor Atsuo Nakamura - he became a Green politician in Japan at one time*) when I was about 15 and wanted to be Hu San Yang (the girl with two swords). *also in 47 Ronin and I'm sure he was in a film with David Bowie but it's not listed in his wiki.
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Dec 18, 2021 03:19
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Looks like I dodged a bullet. Negative PCR and multiple negative LFTs. All my housemates have now got omicron though so am going to stay holed up at my girlfriend's. Sadly my PS5 is at the plague house.
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Necrothatcher posted:Looks like I dodged a bullet. Negative PCR and multiple negative LFTs. All my housemates have now got omicron though so am going to stay holed up at my girlfriend's. Sadly my PS5 is at the plague house. Please tell me it's wearing a mask at least 
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Dec 18, 2021 10:22
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I wonder how many lives are going to be saved by the tube strike which has shut down most of the Underground on what would otherwise be the busiest shopping day of the year?
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Dec 18, 2021 10:32
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ThomasPaine posted:Oh give over if you think protesting - even violent drug fuelled protesting - deserves 14 years inside. It's insane overkill. He wasn’t just protesting or even having a bit of a scrap during a riot, don’t be disingenuous, he was trying to set fire to a van with people in it with the intent for them to blow up. He wanted to play that game and fair play to him, but then the other side have responded in kind.
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Dec 18, 2021 10:41
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the lad's lawyer posted:“Mr Roberts is not a rampant fire starter, twisted or other,” he said. Lol, not sure how keen id be on my lawyer knowing i was hosed and just trying to drop in cheeky song lyrics into my defence. Also they mention 200 grand of damage was done, not even necessarily by him, his much does incarcerating someone for a decade plus cost?
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Dec 18, 2021 11:15
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Ah the Water Margin. I have the entire series on my computer. That would be Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence. Atsuo Nakamura wasn't in it though.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:15
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willie_dee posted:he was trying to set fire to a van with people in it with the intent for them to blow up.. No OP, he was trying to set fire to a van with police in it
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Dec 18, 2021 11:21
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I dunno why anyone's surprised he got 14 years for trying to torch the police. What did you expect to happen??
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Dec 18, 2021 11:25
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Dabir posted:I think we still have something like that upstairs here. You put a coin in its hand and pull the lever and it lifts it up and tips it into its mouth. That sound like the one? I haven't seen it in years but I remember it seeming properly ancient even 20+ years ago. Wow. All this time I thought the problematic name for that story was "Ten Little Indians." Didn't realize there was a more hardcore version out there. Not to mention the original cover that I found on it's Wikipedia page and yikes. NotJustANumber99 posted:Lol, not sure how keen id be on my lawyer knowing i was hosed and just trying to drop in cheeky song lyrics into my defence. The monetary damage done during crimes is mostly used as a vague outline as to how many thing were broke as opposed to trying some judicial arithmetic. The Criminal justice system breaks down entirely if you try and view it in some Private Company Cost/Benefit analysis. Like a murder case from investigation to trial and conviction (even a straightforward one) will cost in or around £500,000 to £1,000,000. And at the end you don't get any money back. (Nor do you get to bring the dead person back to life.) If you were a completely soulless accountant type you could say "stop investigating and prosecuting murders. They cost too much money without any returns." And you'd be right. You'd just then have to factor in how much money would it cost if society went full "The Purge" after this. Really the only arm of Justice that is profitable are fine based crimes like speeding, driving without insurance, not having TV licences, not picking up dog poo etc... The Question IRL fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Dec 18, 2021 |
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Dec 18, 2021 11:26
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I dunno why anyone's surprised he got 14 years for trying to torch the police. What did you expect to happen?? Totally agree. That said, I’m not sure that people are surprised as much as thinking that it’s an excessive sentence nonetheless.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:28
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NotJustANumber99 posted:
It’s around £45k/year here in the UK. There’s a bit of a drive in the prisions reform space to try and get this number out more - we think that a lot of people would at least reconsider their LOCK ‘EM UP stances if they realised how much it cost.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:30
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I mean, it’s bordering on attempt murder, and there’s been a ton of media buzz about how assault of emergency service workers needs to be extra strictly dealt with, so imo he’s lucky he just got what he got. Plenty of people have already been sentenced for rioting and they didn’t get anything like he has done.forkboy84 posted:No OP, he was trying to set fire to a van with police in it Lol
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Dec 18, 2021 11:31
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The Question IRL posted:Wow. All this time I thought the problematic name for that story was "Ten Little Indians." I was staying in an air B&B cottage last weekend and there was a copy of Ian Flemings “Live and Let Die” which I idly flicked through. I haven’t seen anything so eye wateringly racist in my life. It was mind boggling.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:38
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Red Oktober posted:It’s around £45k/year here in the UK. You just know that some frothing Daily Mail readers will use that as justification for the death penalty coming back.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:38
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Red Oktober posted:It’s around £45k/year here in the UK. They would simply switch to "rope is cheaper".
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Dec 18, 2021 11:39
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They would simply switch to "rope is cheaper". If you forego the trial and appeal process, sure. They'd probably be happy with that though.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:43
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stev posted:If you forego the trial and appeal process, sure. They'd probably be happy with that though. That is literally exactly what they want. Execution the morning after the verdict
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Dec 18, 2021 11:44
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Death penalty costs many times more per person but a) don’t expect that to be publicised and b) WHY DO THEY NEED THOSE APPEALS ANYWAY, THEY’RE GUILTY, SIMPLE AS END OF.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:45
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It only costs more if you aren't allowed to summarily execute people on the streets with a single bullet then dump them at the crematorium.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:49
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willie_dee posted:I mean, it’s bordering on attempt murder Weird that gets 14 years when a pig can actually kick a man to death and only get 8 years 
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Dec 18, 2021 12:03
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The Question IRL posted:The Criminal justice system breaks down entirely if you try and view it in some Private Company Cost/Benefit analysis. It sounds heartless but if you could only describe the value of a life in vague handwavy philosophical terms then you'd either get companies saying "yeah we built the entire thing out of exploding spikes because it was cheaper and who knows what a life is worth right?" or you wouldn't ever be able to travel anywhere because life is precious and we can't risk it. Understandably you get some cases right around the margins where it costs $4 more to fit a proper fuel tank than to settle with the families that make people very upset, but that's not a case against trying to force companies to spend more than a "let the market decide" amount on preserving life. However if we did start looking at murder in this way then we'd have to prioritize looking at the >120,000 people killed by the government over the couple dozen killed by scary knives that go click, so it's not going to happen.
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Dec 18, 2021 12:06
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Dec 18, 2021 12:08
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sinky posted:Weird that gets 14 years when a pig can actually kick a man to death and only get 8 years Manslaughter is not murder. It’s really difficult to prove intent so people will often plead down successfully. Kinda hard for this bloke as he’s on camera openly admitting to officers he’s going to blow them up and trying to set their van on fire with them in it. Play silly games, win stupid prizes.
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Dec 18, 2021 12:19
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willie_dee posted:Manslaughter is not murder. It’s really difficult to prove intent so people will often plead down successfully. It’s still kicking a man to death. Considerably worse than setting a van on fire resulting in no injuries or deaths, no?
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Dec 18, 2021 12:30
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smellmycheese posted:I was staying in an air B&B cottage last weekend and there was a copy of Ian Flemings “Live and Let Die” which I idly flicked through. I haven’t seen anything so eye wateringly racist in my life. It was mind boggling. A couple of Xmases ago my mum gave me a vintage copy of 'The Bulldog Breed' by Percy Westerman. She meant it as a sorta jokey thing, since I'm into naval history and read a lot of nautical fiction, so here's some proper pulpy, Boy's Own imperialist shlock. I've read some of the Bond books - including 'You Only Live Twice' and 'Live and Let Die' and an early work by Nevil Shute, originally published in the early 1920s and the reprint from the '50s includes an author's note saying that he's not that proud of his early work and has removed some of the 'more outdated and offensive slang' - and it's still peppered with racial slurs! But 'The Bulldog Breed' had to be one of the most astoundingly racist books I've read. I think it's because the bigotry is treated so unremarkably. It's not 'hard man thinking ill of his enemy' or anything like that. Just plain white supremacy that the author clearly expect the reader to just implicitly understand. And in a book for kids! There is an entire sequence near the start where the main characters actions only makes proper sense if you already implicitly share Westerman's belief that all Hispanic people are vain cowards who take fright at the first sight of a stormy sea, unlike the chisel-cheeked former RN officer and his rugby-champion Dartmouth midshipman sidekick. Basically the book paints a world where as soon as you leave the sacred shores of Albion everyone else you encounter is either a sort of violent animal or a dishonest untrustworthy coward. I fully expect to find it on the national curriculum reading list in a few years' time
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willie_dee posted:assault of emergency service workers needs to be extra strictly dealt with Makes me lol a bit every time I remember that in America there actually is this whole collectively accepted agreement in mainstream discourse that any crime done to a cop is automatically considered ten times more heinous than one done to anyone else. Obviously that's very useful PR for maintaining the state monopoly on violence but I like how it's also basically founded on the caricature of police being these kindly, put-upon everyday heroes who routinely risk their lives to protect the good people of the USA from the legions of criminals who would otherwise tear them to pieces, rather than, you know, a bunch of reactionary authoritarians with very little oversight who are way more dangerous than most of the people they detain/shoot.* I'm glad we don't have quite that level of pathetic hero worship over here. * God the thin blue line stuff is so interesting though. I guess you can trace the idea all the way back to Leviathan at least but it feels like such a great example of class tension in stagnating societies, and particularly of anxieties about anarchy and lawlessness. Middle America really does believe that there are a horde of psychos at the gates ready to run amok with chainsaws the second state power dwindles. You see it in so much media - look at stuff like the purge. I mean sure, if all crime were legalised tomorrow you'd probably have a few killings between people who already had grudges, but who the hell actually believes we'd all go full mike myers on each other? Humans don't generally have much interest in loving each other up just for the sake of it. What does it say about you that you think they do? ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Dec 18, 2021 |
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On the other hand, what the gently caress is wrong with people who assault fire & ambulance workers? Convex posted:I remember when i was 5 i saved up tokens from jam jars and got a Canadian Mountie golliwog badge in the post. What a great country  More info about halfway down this article which is obviously all  for racism, extremely dodgy childrens book where the main character is stripped and then spends half the book wandering round naked and crying, and general 'why the gently caress would anyone publish this). https://flashbak.com/a-history-of-controversial-childrens-books-sex-sambo-and-obscene-rebellion-5411/ Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Dec 18, 2021 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Makes me lol a bit every time I remember that in America there actually is this whole collectively accepted agreement in mainstream discourse that any crime done to a cop is automatically considered ten times more heinous than one done to anyone else. Obviously that's very useful PR for maintaining the state monopoly on violence but I like how it's also basically founded on the caricature of police being these kindly, put-upon everyday heroes who routinely risk their lives to protect the good people of the USA from the legions of criminals who would otherwise tear them to pieces, rather than, you know, a bunch of reactionary authoritarians with very little oversight responsible who are way more dangerous than most of the people they detain/shoot.* I'm glad we don't have quite that level of pathetic hero worship over here. I’ve thought about this a bit before, and I think it’s because America is founded on blood, slavery and genocide. The people with money there know at some deep level that they obtained it at the expense of others and the are terrified that those others (often racialised, as those were/are the groups that were most exploited) are going to come for what’s theirs. Edit: I wonder if something similar is at play with the gammon fear of immigrants, particularly brown ones.
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Jakabite posted:It’s still kicking a man to death. Considerably worse than setting a van on fire resulting in no injuries or deaths, no? Definitely. But the law takes into account intent. It’s results in silly situations where you have someone tasering and kicking someone to death claiming they didn’t mean to kill them getting less time than someone who has actually been no real threat and stupidly openly claiming he is trying to kill people. There’s a big difference between someone accidentally killing someone with a car in a car crash, and someone using their car as a weapon to kill someone with intent. Police officers should be able to use tasers and physical force in the same way you would do anything say to day, this officer claims that he didn’t meant to kill, it was an accident as part of his day to day use of legal state violence. 8 years is indicative of how stupid you have to be to think you are being reasonable as you’ve kicked a man to death. People kill people and get no time/suspended sometimes when they didn’t mean to do so.
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Dec 18, 2021 13:08
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:It only costs more if you aren't allowed to summarily execute people on the streets with a single bullet then dump them at the crematorium. If you sell off all the organs you'll make a profit.
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therattle posted:I’ve thought about this a bit before, and I think it’s because America is founded on blood, slavery and genocide. The people with money there know at some deep level that they obtained it at the expense of others and the are terrified that those others (often racialised, as those were/are the groups that were most exploited) are going to come for what’s theirs. I mean that is almost definitely true and is the only one of the many reasons that Israel is.. Oh wait you said America never mind.
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ThomasPaine posted:Makes me lol a bit every time I remember that in America there actually is this whole collectively accepted agreement in mainstream discourse that any crime done to a cop is automatically considered ten times more heinous than one done to anyone else. Obviously that's very useful PR for maintaining the state monopoly on violence but I like how it's also basically founded on the caricature of police being these kindly, put-upon everyday heroes who routinely risk their lives to protect the good people of the USA from the legions of criminals who would otherwise tear them to pieces, rather than, you know, a bunch of reactionary authoritarians with very little oversight who are way more dangerous than most of the people they detain/shoot.* I'm glad we don't have quite that level of pathetic hero worship over here. You aren’t wrong, but people are incredibly scared of violence. Everyone in society feels safe day to day, and thinks part of that reason is if they are in danger, they can call 999 and some tough police officers will rush out and save them, and that alone means they can sleep at night. Take that away, and on the off chance violence does occur, most people will just roll over and be a victim, people can’t defend themselves and are utterly petrified of societal break down, with their safety net being said “thin blue line”. It’s almost like they want the option to call mummy to tell off the bad person if anyone is mean to them but instead it’s they want someone they can call if someone isn’t following society’s rules that protects people.
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I think that if the filth are out and about kicking, bludgeoning and horse-charging protesters, the protesters have a right to fight back. If for no other reason than that PC Andy McRoidrage isn't explaining what crime he's protecting people from as he attempts to smash someone's skull in. Or when those TSG cunts cover up their ID numbers - at that point, you're not being suppressed by a police officer; you're getting assaulted by some psychotic apeman looking to see how much blood he can get on his riot shield. If the police want to be protected by the law as they carry out their duties, they should actually attempt to follow the law as they carry them out. If not, they're fair game.
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Dec 18, 2021 13:22
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kingturnip posted:I think that if the filth are out and about kicking, bludgeoning and horse-charging protesters, the protesters have a right to fight back. In our eyes, sure, but the courts take a different view (unsurprisingly).
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If anyone wants three tickets to see An Evening Inside No. 9 with Steve Pemberton & Reece Shearsmith in Nottingham tonight drop me a line. We’re not going because of the plague. I’m really angry and upset about it for some reason whereas everything else, including three cancelled holidays, I’ve been really pragmatic about. Had enough of this bullshit!
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Sanford posted:If anyone wants three tickets to see An Evening Inside No. 9 with Steve Pemberton & Reece Shearsmith in Nottingham tonight drop me a line. Holidays are hereby cancelled until 2026, budget accordingly.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:That is literally exactly what they want. Execution the morning after the verdict What gets me is the exact same people who justify the cops shooting dead (summarily execution) an unarmed someone in the street who later turns out to have stolen a cheque or a bag of picnmix from the sweety counter in Woolworths 20 years earlier 'deserved' it, or who post comments such as 'string 'em up it's the only language they understand', were also commenting in horror and disgust at muslims when the Egyptians, during the Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood) year, did exactly that and lynched a guy who was suspected (not tried and found guilty) of being a nonce.
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willie_dee posted:You aren’t wrong, but people are incredibly scared of violence. Everyone in society feels safe day to day, and thinks part of that reason is if they are in danger, they can call 999 and some tough police officers will rush out and save them, and that alone means they can sleep at night. Take that away, and on the off chance violence does occur, most people will just roll over and be a victim, people can’t defend themselves and are utterly petrified of societal break down, with their safety net being said “thin blue line”. It’s almost like they want the option to call mummy to tell off the bad person if anyone is mean to them but instead it’s they want someone they can call if someone isn’t following society’s rules that protects people. i keep a big two handed axe under my bed and i keep a brick in a sock under the seat in my car, any fucker tries it on w/ me gets his head caved in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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