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KnifeWrench
May 25, 2007

Practical and safe.

Bleak Gremlin
this is what happens when a generation of nerds fetishize the idea of games being more realistic=better without any meaningful examination of what that means

some of them will unironically view scarcity, price gouging, and rent as potential gameplay mechanics "because it's so realistic!"

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Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
lol wired

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

gschmidl posted:

So anyone can just dump anything in there without regulation or oversi... why am I even asking this

it's a video game virtual world created by facebook. facebook are the ones making the rules and moderating the content. given their track record on that subject, lol

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.



i couldn't find that article on their website, but they do have a big puff piece on the 2 dudes who started cryptopunks (referred to as an "nft revolution") so clearly someone high up there bought in and needs number to go up

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock
to be specific, facebook wants metaverse to be the video game virtual world to end all other video game virtual worlds. but it does not exist in any usable form, so thousands of companies are rushing to capitalize on the "metaverse" name while making their own clones of second life and vrchat


facebook metaverse is less real than star citizen

ymgve fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Dec 19, 2021

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

KnifeWrench posted:

this is what happens when a generation of nerds fetishize the idea of games being more realistic=better without any meaningful examination of what that means

some of them will unironically view scarcity, price gouging, and rent as potential gameplay mechanics "because it's so realistic!"

many (all) of them are also libertarians who think this will be awesome (as long as they're the ones with the property)

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

this whole thing is incredible to watch and is utterly mind boggling.

even as someone who follows crypto crap for laughs i would never have predicted "second life but with crypto except it doesn't exist" being the hype du jour

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

But where are the fidget spinner lights that communicate new blockchain entries?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




didn't this happen in second life too, where if you made a cpu-intense animation everyone also on the server would start complaining about it until that german lady in china who owned everything came in and deleted it so they stopped lagging?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

quote:

Lot of $ on the line, this is needed tbh.

oh, we accidentally created all the problems of real estate in our virtual world by monetizing it. whoever could have foreseen this would be so hard?

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

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Mar 29, 2017

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EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
from the gray thread

BrianRx posted:



A friend keeps sending me pictures of this interest rate he's getting on his "investment". It's some kind of peer to peer lending platform. I'm not going to run the numbers, but I'm pretty sure they're promising to payout a number closer to the amount of steps to the moon than the amount of currency in circulation. Looks quite a bit like a pyramid scheme desperately trying to attract new investors to pay out the older ones.

edit: even ignoring the APY and looking at the 5 day return, they're projecting more than doubling your investment every week. To compare, when 50% of Albania's GDP was "value" derived from projected gains in investments in widespread pyramid schemes, the big players were offering to double investments in three weeks. The whole thing collapsed before those payments were due.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
oh so this time a 30 digit increase is fine :rolleyes:

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

njsykora posted:

i couldn't find that article on their website, but they do have a big puff piece on the 2 dudes who started cryptopunks (referred to as an "nft revolution") so clearly someone high up there bought in and needs number to go up
showed up on my Apple News feed:

We All Need to Stop Only Seeing the Dark Side of Crypto

In some parts of the developing world, cryptocurrency is changing lives for the better.

BOAZ SOBRADO AT WIRED UK

In 2021, Bitcoin went mainstream. Wall Street set its eyes on the world of crypto, with hotshot investors like hedge funder Paul Tudor Jones leading the pack; The Economist went from calling the cryptocurrency “useless” in 2018 to arguing that it belongs in most portfolios; tech CEOs Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk gamely crossed swords about Bitcoin’s merits at a conference run by an asset management firm. Popular opinion lags a bit: Many people still believe cryptocurrency is a giant, global get-rich-quick scheme. Others simply dismiss the entire thing as a speculation-driven fad in the best case, a criminal enterprise in the worst. But amid the noise, the enthusiasm, and the hype, we might be losing the most important story: the way cryptocurrency is changing lives in the developing world.

Take for example, Cuba, a country where internet penetration went from less than 40 percent in 2015 to an estimated 70 to 80 percent today. Like most people, Cubans want to buy things and sell things online—but, unlike most people, they cannot buy anything online using a debit or credit card. Due to US sanctions, ordinary Cubans find themselves cut off from the global financial system: They cannot start a Spotify subscription, buy a domain name, or pay for a website-hosting service using a card. This means that if Cubans wish to partake in online commerce, particularly with another country, they have to use cryptocurrencies. And where there's a need, there's a way. Cubans have found solutions such as Bitrefill, a site that sells gift cards from Spotify and other companies for cryptocurrency. Data from Bitrefill for June 2021 shows that four times as many people buy Cuban digital products (such as Cubacel phone top-ups) using cryptocurrencies as buy similar US products, on a population-adjusted basis. Crypto has deeply penetrated the country to the extent that Cuba’s Communist Party, a conservative Marxist institution not known for its technological savviness, has instructed the Central Bank of Cuba to regulate the use of cryptocurrencies and to study how they can be used to help the government avoid US sanctions. Paradoxically, officials in the US State Department are rumored to be looking into how cryptocurrencies can be used to set up remittance networks that bypass the hefty taxes extracted by the Cuban government.

While crypto adoption in Cuba has been a bottom-up phenomenon, in El Salvador Bitcoin has been proclaimed legal tender by the country’s controversial president, Nayib Bukele. President Bukele claims that the government-sponsored Bitcoin wallet already has more users than the entire Salvadoran banking system, potentially throwing a lifeline to thousands of unbanked individuals. These Bitcoin wallets operate partly on the Lightning network, a system that allows for cheaper and faster cryptocurrency transactions. You can now pay instantly with Bitcoin in every Salvadoran McDonald’s and Starbucks, which certainly sounds futuristic and exciting. Still, Bukele has been accused of performing a reckless maneuver to transform the country into a haven for Bitcoin-rich entrepreneurs or even outright criminals, and polls consistently show a majority of Salvadorans fretting about having their salaries paid in volatile bitcoins. Whether Bukele’s crypto gambit will go down in history as the masterstroke of a modernizer or the folly of an autocrat still remains to be seen.

Further south in Venezuela, Bitcoin is slowly becoming an integral part of the economy. Due to currency controls, Venezuelan banks are not connected to the rest of the world, and therefore Bitcoin is used to move value in and out of the country using peer-to-peer markets where people can easily exchange Bitcoin for cash. The impact of these markets was demonstrated by a natural experiment in 2019 when, during a massive electricity outage in Venezuela, the Bitcoin-trading volumes across all of Latin America tumbled significantly. Today peer-to-peer crypto markets have been widely acknowledged as a key component of the Venezuelan foreign exchange market.

But the real leader in Bitcoin trading is not Latin America, but Sub-Saharan Africa. UsefulTulips, a website that tracks peer-to-peer Bitcoin trading across the world, now reports that trading volumes in Sub-Saharan Africa are currently equal to those in North America and will soon exceed them. Observed volumes are on the order of $20 million a day, but the true figures are likely to be multiples higher. In countries such as Nigeria, the government has imposed strict capital controls, and moving value across borders can prove next to impossible. It is not surprising that people in Africa are increasingly using cryptocurrencies for international transactions.

Perhaps one of the easiest metrics to follow with regards to this year’s explosion in crypto use is stablecoin issuance. Stablecoins are cryptocurrency-based digital dollars issued by companies with varying levels of regulatory oversight. At one end of the spectrum is PAXOS, which is regulated by the New York State Department of Financial Services. On the other end is Tether, an offshore issuer that recently agreed to pay $18.5 million to the New York Attorney General’s Office to settle a fraud investigation. Total stablecoin values have grown from $29 billion at the beginning of the year to over $125 billion today. The primary use case of stablecoins is to speculate on cryptocurrency, but early adopters also include individuals in the developing world who are using stablecoins on peer-to-peer crypto markets. Companies like Paxful and Bitrefill make it easy to spend stablecoins online.

Crypto is seeping into people’s lives not only as a financial technology, but also in a cultural sense. A lot has been written about NFTs, virtual assets that have been promoted by artists and celebrities ranging from Snoop Dogg to Paris Hilton. A lesser known phenomenon is crypto gaming. Gamers spend a lot of hours online and are keen to truly own their in-game assets, be they Counter Strike skins, Warcraft gold, or Runescape hats. This is the promise of crypto games, which would transform virtual objects into unique cryptocurrency tokens for users to keep in their digital wallets and possibly trade or move to other platforms as their inviolable properties. Perhaps the best known crypto game is Axie Infinity, a Vietnamese play-to-earn game with 350,000 daily active users, where gamers can complete quests, breed imaginary critters, buy land, and engage in farming to participate in an in-game economy. Unlike most other video games, Axie Infinity’s in-game tokens can easily be exchanged for cash. In places like Venezuela and the Philippines, playing Axie Infinity has become the main source of income for many individuals. Part of the appeal of crypto, whether it be crypto games or decentralized finance, is that it is open to everyone who is technically savvy. Even 14-year-old residents of Cuba, South Sudan, Iran, or North Korea can participate.

Popular perception in the developed world remains that crypto is at best the domain of meme-conversant Wolf of Wall Street-like figures and at worst of drug dealers. Regulators and policymakers seem to partially share that belief, as crackdowns and strict regulations are announced across the globe from China to Turkey to the US. And yet in the Global South more and more people are choosing to use a technology designed to help them keep their wealth safe from confiscation, tyranny, or arbitrary restrictions. Whatever you think of crypto, its role as a force for good in some parts of the world should not be ignored.

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

Desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel and that's all they can come up with. lol.

Cryptocurrency isn't just for criminals! *instantly starts talking about evading capital controls*

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
your hodling it wrong

epitaph
Dec 31, 2008
https://twitter.com/DoesItPlay1/status/1472517736722960388

the “everything’s a ponzi scheme” era is upon us

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
you say that bitcoin is bad? well in 5 years time bitcoin will have given el salvador a new president after the old idiot one gets strung up on a light post!

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

that's fair, maybe it's not all bad

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

Don't you understand how great it is that stablecoins decided to press the "create free counterfeit money" button up to 125 billion times? That number is going up, and that's always good!

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

gschmidl posted:

I give up, whose is Metaverse?

facebook announced a VR world called "Metaverse"

and basically the instant the word passed Zuck's lips, the press went into an absolute frenzy about virtual worlds, calling them all metaverses and giving massive amounts of press to them, declaring that moving a character around in a 3D world with no game attached is the way of the future

so now "metaverse" is the new hot tech press buzzword of 2022, and basically anyone who wants gigantic piles of investor money with no questions asked is scrambling to at least pretend they're going to churn out a low-effort Second Life clone

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

infernal machines posted:

it's a video game virtual world created by facebook. facebook are the ones making the rules and moderating the content. given their track record on that subject, lol

Main Paineframe posted:

so now "metaverse" is the new hot tech press buzzword of 2022, and basically anyone who wants gigantic piles of investor money with no questions asked is scrambling to at least pretend they're going to churn out a low-effort Second Life clone

Ok, so it is just everyone using the same word, that explains it. Thanks!

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005
this is pretty cool. i guess we have a new word now https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/18/web3-kickstarter-and-discord-face-backlash-over-moves-into-crypto.html

quote:

‘Web3’

Kickstarter’s proposal is all part of a buzzy new movement in the technology world known as Web 3.0, or “Web3.”

Web3 proponents argue that today’s online platforms are too centralized and controlled by a handful of large internet companies, like Amazon, Apple, Alphabet and Facebook parent company Meta.

Like the “metaverse” touted by Meta, Microsoft and others, Web3 is still a hazy concept.

Most proponents describe it as a decentralized version of the internet based on blockchain, the technology behind many major cryptocurrencies. You can think of the blockchain like a ledger of transactions that’s constantly being updated by multiple computers around the world.

sounds cool! built on same old internet you know and love, but decentralized!

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005
(apple and amazon quickly and easily gain control over "Web3") poo poo! it happened AGAIN!

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Gamefound, the alternative to Kickstarter for board game projects, has responded with essentially "thanks for driving everyone to us with your crypto poo poo, idiots".

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

a.p. dent posted:

(apple and amazon quickly and easily gain control over "Web3") poo poo! it happened AGAIN!

it's incredibly inefficient, because it's "decentralized", also, the only way to actually use it is to go through one of a handful of service providers.

this is very different than web2 because it's unusably slow

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
i miss the old days of second life when brothels and casinos covered the "land", let's have a rerun

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Gazpacho posted:

i miss the old days of second life when brothels and casinos covered the "land", let's have a rerun

the new second life is just fields and fields of ads as far as the eye can see



(a real screenshot from decentraland)

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

this is the future marketers want

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
its a start

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

infernal machines posted:

metaverse is facebook's second life ripoff

except NFT dorks were already saying "the metaverse" to refer to the concept of putting 3d models in videogames based on which nft you own
i wonder if facebook will have a trademark suit against decentraland

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
I'd rather live the rest of my life in Roblox.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

except NFT dorks were already saying "the metaverse" to refer to the concept of putting 3d models in videogames based on which nft you own
i wonder if facebook will have a trademark suit against decentraland

i love that metaverse has become a kleenex or xerox before it even exists

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

infernal machines posted:

it's incredibly inefficient, because it's "decentralized"
being able to compute 600,000 additions per second, and write 3000 bytes per second, for a mere 11.5 billion watts of electricity is not good enough? how dare you criticise the greatest technology in human history!

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Spatial posted:

being able to compute 600,000 additions per second, and write 3000 bytes per second, for a mere 11.5 billion watts of electricity is not good enough? how dare you criticise the greatest technology in human history!

dont worry, they're just 6 months away from fixing this and have been for the past 6 years

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005
i’m reading about this kickstarter thing and the “carbon negative blockchain” https://medium.com/celoorg/a-carbon-negative-blockchain-its-here-and-it-s-celo-60228de36490

before i actually look into this, why is it bullshit

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
it's "carbon negative" by using exactly as much energy as every other blockchain, but they promise to plant some trees

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
they don't even promise to plant trees, they pay some one else to promise to plant trees

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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

a.p. dent posted:

i’m reading about this kickstarter thing and the “carbon negative blockchain” https://medium.com/celoorg/a-carbon-negative-blockchain-its-here-and-it-s-celo-60228de36490

before i actually look into this, why is it bullshit

they're paying subsistence farmers in the third world to plant saplings instead of food crops

and then they're minting carbon credit NFTs

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