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Dr. Chainsaws PhD
May 21, 2011

cross country races would be 100% better if AI drivers were actually affected by things like water hazards, landing, weather... et cetera

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teh_Broseph
Oct 21, 2010

THE LAST METROID IS IN
CATTIVITY. THE GALAXY
IS AT PEACE...
Lipstick Apathy

super fart shooter posted:

At first I was planning on trying to do this thing without changing the RWD, just as a challenge. But then I was looking around in the upgrade screen, and somehow the AWD conversion made the truck faster, in addition to the usual handling/accel/launch improvements?!? So, literally no downside at all. Sometimes tuning & upgrading is really baffling to me

The downside of AWD is weight (and point cost), upside is more grip and acceleration from being able to spread power to all 4 wheels. So take a weak 50 HP car and F/RWD is plenty and going all wheel just adds weight which is bad, but stronger engines (most everything class A+) have too much power for two wheels and lose traction before they can put it all down so going AWD lets you get more power out with better control over the bit of weight it adds.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
The steal a flag daily can be done in the playground games weekly, even though the description says flag rush rather than team flag rush.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Symphoric posted:

Just shift right away.

In many race vehicles first gear only really exists for driving around the pits/garages. Sadly, Forza doesn't let you start a race in 2nd or 3rd gear though (unless you have a wheel with a shifter hooked up maybe).

If you're manually tuning, can you just gently caress with the gear ratios so that first looks like what second normally does? Or is that not really worth it compared to picking the gearbox with one more gear to work with?

teh_Broseph
Oct 21, 2010

THE LAST METROID IS IN
CATTIVITY. THE GALAXY
IS AT PEACE...
Lipstick Apathy
Drive by phone post here's the video answer on the gearing stuff https://youtu.be/D6qthLir2iI

Short version is uhh like try and make first gear longer till it doesn't do much bouncing against rev limiter and shift after a couple bounces

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
Hey don’t look now but they just gave everyone 5 super wheelspins.

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.
In mulege with the Xmas village there was a big present box I smashed it and got a secret Santa car gift? I dunno check it out maybe you will get a free car.

teh_Broseph
Oct 21, 2010

THE LAST METROID IS IN
CATTIVITY. THE GALAXY
IS AT PEACE...
Lipstick Apathy
PS long as you're set for manual shifting, p darn sure you can shift up to second during the camera pan even though the UI is hidden, may be a while before I can double check though - if you can't I'm gonna feel dumb that I've been going through the launch control button presses every race start for a while hah.

Symphoric
Apr 20, 2005


Jabor posted:

If you're manually tuning, can you just gently caress with the gear ratios so that first looks like what second normally does? Or is that not really worth it compared to picking the gearbox with one more gear to work with?

Oh absolutely, just that it's pretty easy to ruin a car's power delivery by messing with individual gear ratios. I've lost count of how many times I've fiddled with gearing to get it to the point it "feels right" only to find my lap times are considerably slower than they were before I touched it. I'm not an expert tuner by any means, but even many of the guys who write tutorials and release some of fastest tunes just tell people to crank the final drive up or down and beware the rest.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Is there a way to replay the Horizon 5 intro? Everything I've seen online says try a new Xbox account, but I don't see how that works with Gamepass. I know for 4 you could do some combo of clearing the data while offline or something to completely reset your progress, but I'd rather not do that. Anyone know? Thank you!

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Internet Explorer posted:

Is there a way to replay the Horizon 5 intro? Everything I've seen online says try a new Xbox account, but I don't see how that works with Gamepass. I know for 4 you could do some combo of clearing the data while offline or something to completely reset your progress, but I'd rather not do that. Anyone know? Thank you!

Pc or xbox?

If Xbox, you can set the console as the home console and any other account on the console can play the gamepass games.

https://support.xbox.com/en-CA/help/hardware-network/console/my-home-xbox

I've never looked it this, but they explicitly explain how to share gamepass with a friend by making their console your home console, which is surprising.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Powershift posted:

Pc or xbox?

Oh, sorry, PC. Thank you for the attempt.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Internet Explorer posted:

Oh, sorry, PC. Thank you for the attempt.

There's still a way with a second account.

https://www.ghacks.net/2021/05/18/how-to-share-your-xbox-game-pass-pc-subscription-with-your-family/

You add the second account to your family, then sign into the store app with your gamepass account, and the xbox app with the second account, and launch the game from there.

This info is 3 years old, and this might not work

Powershift fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Dec 18, 2021

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Will give that a shot. Thank you!

Such a silly thing. It was a pain in FH4 as well. Seems like something that would have been so easy to fix.

super fart shooter
Feb 11, 2003

-quacka fat-

teh_Broseph posted:

The downside of AWD is weight (and point cost), upside is more grip and acceleration from being able to spread power to all 4 wheels. So take a weak 50 HP car and F/RWD is plenty and going all wheel just adds weight which is bad, but stronger engines (most everything class A+) have too much power for two wheels and lose traction before they can put it all down so going AWD lets you get more power out with better control over the bit of weight it adds.

I guess that makes sense, but usually with high class road cars, I find AWD conversion results in a huge speed loss, which I thought was because the the bigger, more complex AWD drivetrain is less efficient, resulting in power loss. I've never seen a car actually gain speed from AWD conversion. But maybe the difference here is that the truck's relatively low grip offroad tires meant that it wasn't able to use all it's power anyway, so spreading it out over 4 wheels resulted in better power usage, like you said.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


super fart shooter posted:

I guess that makes sense, but usually with high class road cars, I find AWD conversion results in a huge speed loss, which I thought was because the the bigger, more complex AWD drivetrain is less efficient, resulting in power loss. I've never seen a car actually gain speed from AWD conversion. But maybe the difference here is that the truck's relatively low grip offroad tires meant that it wasn't able to use all it's power anyway, so spreading it out over 4 wheels resulted in better power usage, like you said.

Doing an AWD conversion in this game puts in a 6 speed transmission with a 3.40 final drive and 1.24 6th gear. no matter what car(EVs excluded) and what the stock gearing was. If you do the conversion after upgrading the transmission, it removes the transmission upgrade.

That means depending on the red line of the engine, putting AWD in without putting a 7+ speed transmission in, or re-tuning the transmission for speed knocks it down to between 260 and 280kph. The Truck in this case comes stock with a 4.75 final drive and 1.10 top gear. Doing the AWD conversion puts the 6 speed into it, increasing it's top speed by about 20kph without tuning. The truck is a short track stadium truck, not built for high speed in it's original form.


Just experimenting with the Mclaren Speed tail, stock it benchmarks at 422.9km/h with a 3.31 final drive and 0.69 top gear.

Doing an AWD conversion knocks you back to 267.3 km/h, Re-tuning the now 6-speed back to a 3.31 final drive and 0.69 top gear, it benchmarks at 424.7 km/h

The game does not seem to take driveline drag into account.

Powershift fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Dec 18, 2021

super fart shooter
Feb 11, 2003

-quacka fat-
Oh god I hadn't even considered any of that. I've noticed that I get automatic transmission changes sometimes when I do conversions, but I hadn't actually figured out how it works

Eclipse12
Feb 20, 2008

That's so bizarre. I had no idea. Appreciate the info.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



you're supposed to park it in the garage not on it

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

you're supposed to park it in the garage not on it

Apparently this is what they meant when they said they fixed the AI traffic.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
Now you'll *never* get that last XP sign

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

uh oh


poo poo poo poo poo poo


lo siento!! lo siento!!!!

Tighran
Jun 28, 2004

AirRaid posted:

There is! Come on down to shitpost about anime liveries and more!

Is there a new invite for the discord? The old one seems expired and I think racing with goons will help keep the game from getting stale. I've finished all the road and street races and feel like I'm losing some steam on it...

shut up blegum
Dec 17, 2008


--->Plastic Lawn<---

Tighran posted:

Is there a new invite for the discord? The old one seems expired and I think racing with goons will help keep the game from getting stale. I've finished all the road and street races and feel like I'm losing some steam on it...

Try this one.

Nutsak
Jul 21, 2005
All balls.

teh_Broseph
Oct 21, 2010

THE LAST METROID IS IN
CATTIVITY. THE GALAXY
IS AT PEACE...
Lipstick Apathy
OK I feel dumb after doing launch control every start lol, triple checked and you cannot shift during the camera pan at start. I wonder if a patch changed it cause I coulda sworn you could and I got the idea from reading other people talking about it.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

the UI fade in/out at the start and end of races drives me up the loving wall

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
I think the way race starts are handled in FH5 was one of the worst design decisions in the game.

"Let's actually start the race 0.3 seconds after we fade the camera into the scene, with no launch countdown, before the player even knows where they are, what cars are directly around them, before they can swap to a preferred gear or set a desired RPM level, or use the launch control that we programmed into the game but literally never mention, etc."

It is a profoundly stupid and inexcusable feature in a racing game.

Then again this is the company that made co-op open world racing games that sometimes don't even have proper quarter mile straights so...

GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Dec 20, 2021

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!
I have 150 hours in this game.

Uh, what's launch control?

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Huh. Apparently, in manual/manual with clutch, from a complete stop change from first gear to second back to first, then handbrake and apply throttle

It's not something you can do in actual races lol

super fart shooter
Feb 11, 2003

-quacka fat-
That launch control thing is so weird, it seems like something that they put in for testing and then forgot to remove. I mean, why the weird sequence of button presses? Why not just have it as a difficulty setting, like ABS or whatever?

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
I won’t pretend to know why it’s there and undocumented, but it sort of simulates the level of inputs to get launch control mode in some modern cars

The Midniter
Jul 9, 2001

This weekly Eliminator challenge for a level 7 car is a pain in the rear end. Sometimes I’m unable to beat anyone else to drops until like the third circle. At least the last one I played I nabbed a Hoonigan Cossie and scored my first win.

Also, the team flag rush denials challenge sucks because playground games sucks. If I were to hit my denials quota, could I be that guy and quit out of the event and still have them count?

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness

The Midniter posted:

Also, the team flag rush denials challenge sucks because playground games sucks. If I were to hit my denials quota, could I be that guy and quit out of the event and still have them count?

Yes.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

super fart shooter posted:

That launch control thing is so weird, it seems like something that they put in for testing and then forgot to remove. I mean, why the weird sequence of button presses? Why not just have it as a difficulty setting, like ABS or whatever?

It's kind of mimicking what real-world launch control sequences are like. The AMG E43 sequence is kind of like that.

General Probe
Dec 28, 2004
Has this been done before?
Soiled Meat

super fart shooter posted:

That launch control thing is so weird, it seems like something that they put in for testing and then forgot to remove. I mean, why the weird sequence of button presses? Why not just have it as a difficulty setting, like ABS or whatever?

It's for impromptu drag races. If you go to the festival strip and line up with someone else the lights will tick and you can do a little informal race.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


General Probe posted:

It's for impromptu drag races. If you go to the festival strip and line up with someone else the lights will tick and you can do a little informal race.

There are no trees on the drag strips in FH5.

They even edited the opening cinematic to remove them with the first update.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

I've done it a few times with randos, using horns for timing, but definitely never noticed any lights for it

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Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
This one was tricky but far less so than it was in FH4:



I guess that, since Eliminator was in at launch, the player pool for it is a bit more casual than it was in the last one.

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