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PerniciousKnid posted:I don't think it's really fair to assume that someone who enjoys KDM is explicitly endorsing the entire franchise extended universe No one here said anything close to this, someone just made that accusation that we had by calling out KDM.
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  Let's see if the KDM kickstarter is as bad as I remember... Oh no it's worse.
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Dr. Video Games 0069 posted:
lol this poo poo is awful. absolutely embarrassing
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Dr. Video Games 0069 posted:
Remember when I said I have no opinions about KDM? Well now I do.
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Dec 19, 2021 04:56
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I finally got my copy of the Avalon Big Box/Quest and the rules for quest look super interesting. Director's cut def seems like the go to, things seem like it would be stack against team evil without the blind hunter. Excited for when I finally get to play it now that i got it, hopefully sometime during the holidays.
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Kingdom Death is a game that tries to be "adult" but does so by crossing lines that we - broadly and generally, with exceptions, the SA TG community - are not OK with. I think it's fair to say there's a minority of posters here who either don't care about the transgressive stuff, or don't think it's a big deal, and I'm not going to hand out probes to people for liking Kingdom Death if they are just talking about the basic boardgame. I'm also not going to hit people with probations for pointing out what's wrong with it, and it's understandable given exactly what's wrong with it that people have strong feelings about it. If you feel like the thread is gatekeeping because they jump all over people who post happy things about fun times playing Kingdom Death, well, sorry. It is. People here in TG know about Kingdom Death, they know where it came from and how it sold itself and anyone who claims to love it is going to be seen as suspiciously willing to look the other way when it comes to graphic depictions of sexualized violence. I can't reasonably ask people to not have and express strong feelings about it. This thread and this community is watchful at the gates for certain things: Zak S, Nazis, homophobia, bigotry. Kingdom Death doesn't quite meet the level of unacceptable as those things, but it's also never going to be accepted by the broader SA TG community as a cool OK fun game to play and chat about and suggest to people. Crackbone posted:You don’t need to be dubious, you’re completely right. Nobody who wasn’t already some sort of gamer was buying into KDM as an entry point. There are people who are introduced to this game by a gamer friend who bought the thing, and if their only point of contact is the actual box and game materials, I can understand why they might be shocked by the level of disgust and animosity that posting about it here engenders. However I can't think of a way to shelter people from that shock, that doesn't also involve asking people not to be angry about the poo poo in Kingdom Death, and well, I'm loving angry about it too, you know? I guess try not to be excessively mean to people. Ugh. I need a drink.
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That's fair enough, I'll steer clear of any kind of endorsement of it in the future. There's certainly nothing I disagree with in the criticisms of the sexual content in the game.
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Dec 19, 2021 08:49
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I want to be horny anymore, I just want to kill monsters.
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That kickstarter has like three really cool figures, a few boring ones, and a ton of gross figures I would be embarrassed to play with. Like, I'm trying to imagine the social situation where someone busts out the bikini girls and the sex slaves and everyone is cool with it.
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Leperflesh posted:There are people who are introduced to this game by a gamer friend who bought the thing, and if their only point of contact is the actual box and game materials, I can understand why they might be shocked by the level of disgust and animosity that posting about it here engenders. However I can't think of a way to shelter people from that shock, that doesn't also involve asking people not to be angry about the poo poo in Kingdom Death, and well, I'm loving angry about it too, you know? The only answer to that is to ostracise people who support KDM. I see them as the sexual imagery equivalent of that guy in the famous post about redefining the rules of chess - you support them and they'll lick their lips and say "care for a game?" To which all you can say is no. You either play a proper game, or you don't play with us. And I'd forgotten just how bad the first Kickstarter campaign was. The gameplay expansions are a contents list and a small sketch that in all but one case is black and white. The minis that would make Goreans blush but which KDM fans always insist have no connection to actual gameplay and you don't have to buy them? 3D test images of the minis accompanied by full colour art. And as I recall there was no rulebook or gameplay video available when it launched, maybe not ever. It doesn't matter what is and is not in the core box. It's obvious that the game was only ever a way to sell titty minis and worse, and was quite probably only created in the run-up to - or after - the campaign. Now as I understand it that was de-emphasised in the second campaign, but even so; it's still the same people and I've had enough of a glimpse into their heads that I don't want to support them or anything they do.
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The first image I shared is from the base game rulebook and is immediately recognizable as depicting rape to anyone that sees it. The “pinups and graphic stuff is optional” claim is flat out lying. And yeah, they def try to hide all of that while still showing off anime titty minis for a reason and it’s all just gross, way more gross than I even realized at the start of this derail.
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Dec 19, 2021 11:12
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I didn't see this posted yet, seems like bug news: Asmodee purchased Miniature Market at some point during 2021 Asmodee is also in talks of being purchased themselves by Embracer Group, a Swedish video game company.
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Jedit posted:I see them as the sexual imagery equivalent of that guy in the famous post about redefining the rules of chess - you support them and they'll lick their lips and say "care for a game?" Have a link to it? I can't find it.
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Fat Samurai posted:To be fair, the game miniatures are not something you’d see on the Titty Miniatures thread. The other miniatures the company sells, and the manual art, however… I’m going to revise this in light of recent posts and say that it was way worse than I remembered/saw on TTS holy poo poo. It’s a drat pity, because the “build a settlement to equip your D&D party” is a cool idea, but instead of a cool, unique game we got this.
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Fat Samurai posted:I’m going to revise this in light of recent posts and say that it was way worse than I remembered/saw on TTS holy poo poo. Primal and the previously mentioned Townsfolk Tussle sidestep all this garbage.
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gschmidl posted:Primal and the previously mentioned Townsfolk Tussle sidestep all this garbage. Thanks! I’ll take a look.
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Cool Dad posted:That kickstarter has like three really cool figures, a few boring ones, and a ton of gross figures I would be embarrassed to play with. Like, I'm trying to imagine the social situation where someone busts out the bikini girls and the sex slaves and everyone is cool with it. So I saw KDM being played once at two different LGSs. I frequented them but never saw those players again. Can’t say I saw the gross minis, and I can’t recall if or how I complained to the owners, but those people do exist. And it’s telling of general LGS culture that people feel fine bringing that in public, along with the Nazi 40k armies and other things people tend to complain about wrt inclusivity.
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FirstAidKite posted:Have a link to it? I can't find it. This isn't the original, it's someone quoting it, but the original seems to have been lost to the mists of time - I can't even find it with Archives. 90s Cringe Rock posted:A better analogy would be if someone walks into a championship tournament, says "GEE I THINK I MAY HAVE TRANSCENDED THE UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF YOU GRANDMASTERS HERE, WANT TO JOIN MY NEW SCHOOL OF CHESS STRATEGY?", then loses by scholar's mate twice in the first round. E: Redacted the word we don't use here any more. Jedit fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 19, 2021 |
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(you missed an instance of it fyi) but always a good story to read
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Infinitum posted:I want to be horny anymore, I just want to kill monsters. it's ok to do both. that's the entire sword and sorcery genre (the best genre) and im very normal and strong and handsome (wore a tuxedo last night) and don't play at flgs and also am having a lot of fun playing kdm (not scared to see a boob or a penis) with MY WIFE
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appalled that this thin blooded thread would stand by and allow these monsters to go un-slayed smdh
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silvergoose posted:(you missed an instance of it fyi) Oops, sorry - fixed.
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jarofpiss posted:it's ok to do both. that's the entire sword and sorcery genre (the best genre) and im very normal and strong and handsome (wore a tuxedo last night) and don't play at flgs and also am having a lot of fun playing kdm (not scared to see a boob or a penis) with MY WIFE jarofpiss posted:appalled that this thin blooded thread would stand by and allow these monsters to go un-slayed smdh Lol what?
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It’s just worse gloomhaven, what’s the appeal
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currently gluing human hands coming out of the anus of this giant bird monster model ready to die on the hill that kdm is good
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Chill la Chill posted:So I saw KDM being played once at two different LGSs. I frequented them but never saw those players again. Can’t say I saw the gross minis, and I can’t recall if or how I complained to the owners, but those people do exist. And it’s telling of general LGS culture that people feel fine bringing that in public, along with the Nazi 40k armies and other things people tend to complain about wrt inclusivity. I backed KDM and the Gambler's chest during the latest Kickstarter, and I got the core game in a few weeks ago. I like the "try to build a settlement from scraps starting with four naked people throwing rocks" gameplay loop. Something about the huge swings of fortune and loss as you're progress through difficult combat and risky events. You lose survivors you've spent hours playing over multiple sessions, and just have to keep moving forward. That struggle/overcoming appeals to me. I like the theme, but not from a "grimdark fantasy" standpoint, but from the fact that it's a bit.. weird, like in a Kentaro Miura sort of way (same reason I like the theme in Etherfields). If you want titty minis, you just get a mini in a box with some minor card that goes into a random deck, and otherwise the mini is just a fixture to look at and paint. I could understand the appeal if you're into painting, like some people buy Warhammer mainly as a collectable hobby than a game. It seems like there's a split in KDM players where some are like painters/collectors and really into titty catgirls, some are way too into "xXx_dArK_fAntasy_xXx", and some are euro masochists who also play Agricola. I play with my wife and neither of us were bothered and that your junk is hanging out half the game, but I wouldn't fault anyone that didn't like the theme. And some of the add-on minis (like the Ammo Slave) are a bit too distasteful as well.
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Honestly i'm not gonna get up in the grill of someone who wants to jerk it to hosed up guro minis, I mean go with God. Lord knows I don't want my peers and haigiographers making inferences on my character based on *my* fetish gear. I just gotta wonder why so many KDM fans felt the need to involve three other players, and also the whole rear end game store on sunday morning, in their clothes-on edging sesh. Like is that part of the kink? Is me being here with my Funyuns and a copy of Bohnanza adding something for you? Cuz it's definitely subtracting something for me.
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Normal game stores don’t allow KDM players because they all suck, sorry KDM players who post ITT but you’re the board game equivalent of the warhammer players who give their armies german names and nobody likes you
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They can start enjoying games when they give back our goddamn bikes
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Infinitum posted:What do German Warhammers call their armies then? "Mein Armee".
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What I don't get is why people are so chill about Whitehall Mystery, a game about a real woman who was really murdered, dismembered and left around London. That's a game explicitly about sexual violence but everyone seems fine with it.
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Because it's incredible and it doesn't focus on that aspect.
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Because, OP, the killer is a bad guy and you have to catch him. The game isn’t a morose slog in which you’re repeatedly told how much rape is happening, because the designers accurately guessed that normal people just need a few pointers that create a backdrop for the game. If you actually think the games are comparable in the themes they evoke you might be an alien
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Got notified my preorder of Great Western Trail 2nd Edition just got pushed to Q1 2022  ------------------------------------------ One of my major vendors at work gave me a $200 gift card as a thank you for looking after them this year, so...  A mate and I have been talking about this one for a bit, and being able to able to snag it for 'free' was a no brainer. Added bonus it's the recent 2nd Edition reprint with the updated models - Score! What really tipped the scales was No Roles Barred rather excellent 2 part Lets Play of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuc-2TTSL4A
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Infinitum posted:What do German Warhammers call their armies then? "Republicans" and "Qanon". Not sure about the difference.
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gutterdaughter posted:I just gotta wonder why so many KDM fans felt the need to involve three other players, and also the whole rear end game store on sunday morning, in their clothes-on edging sesh. Like is that part of the kink? Is me being here with my Funyuns and a copy of Bohnanza adding something for you? Cuz it's definitely subtracting something for me. I would've thought edamame for Bohnanza
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