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Orange DeviI posted:Because, OP, the killer is a bad guy and you have to catch him. The game isn’t a morose slog in which you’re repeatedly told how much rape is happening, because the designers accurately guessed that normal people just need a few pointers that create a backdrop for the game. If you actually think the games are comparable in the themes they evoke you might be an alien I don't think the games are comparable, I know nothing about KDM really other than what's been in this thread. It's still a game about the murder of a real person which does seem at the very least to be extremely poor taste. The game isn't a slog but it does 100% revolve around disposing of the body parts of a woman you've murdered. Is the game being great enough to over look those aspects of it? This is a genuine question really. The game glorifies Jack the Ripper to an extent, even though this wasn't Jack the Ripper which the game acknowledges but then calls the murderer Jack anyway. Whilst Jack is the bad guy, one of you at least wants him to escape. Full disclosure, I have Whitehall Mystery and I think it's a great game.
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Aramoro posted:This is a genuine question really. Lol no it isn't, you already know the answer.
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I've never ended a game as Jack going "HO HO HO WHAT A SUCCESSFUL EVENIN' OF KNOIFIN ME SOME HARLOTS" sure am thinking about serial killing women a bunch It usually ends with screaming some form of "gently caress gently caress gently caress WHY ARE YOU SO loving CLOSE?! gently caress OFF gently caress OFF gently caress OFF!! gently caress OFF YOU FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCK!!" over and over again in my head as the Detectives edge ever closer
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Looked up a review of KDM, found this picture 10/10
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Eraflure posted:Looked up a review of KDM, found this picture This specifically informed me about the quality of Kingdom Tits.
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With the intro of Nemesis I've started rearranging The Kallax Current thought process  Not pictured a bunch of card games in a travel box, which I will be likely doing to a lot of the other small card games shortly. If anyone has any neat ideas about the Hodge Podge + Misc shelves, I'm all ears. Eraflure posted:Looked up a review of KDM, found this picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO_p4-RSRQ0
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Since we're on the topic of problematic games again, does anyone have any opinions on the other Eklund - Matt? I've been kinda interested in Stationfall, the game itself looks fine, but if he's as much of a dipshit a his dad then I'd rather not support that again.
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Ion is shackled to Phil "footnotes" Eklund pretty firmly, as it was discovered when Stationfall's developer tried to take a stand against him, and was booted out of Ion. He's now touring the US in his RV.
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SelenicMartian posted:Ion is shackled to Phil "footnotes" Eklund pretty firmly, as it was discovered when Stationfall's developer tried to take a stand against him, and was booted out of Ion. He's now touring the US in his RV. Who is, Stationfall guy? I don't feel that's a necessary consequence of losing your publisher. e: Ecklund jr seems at least quieter than his papa.
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The Narrator posted:I would've thought edamame for Bohnanza pretty sure any flgs that sells edamame from the counter is gonna ask me to leave before I get poor people germs on everything.
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Fat Samurai posted:We completed March on Pandemic Season 0 yesterday, and I have a doubt because things look too under control: Spoilers for February and March, I guess. I think you are correct, we did the same thing.
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FirstAidKite posted:Lol no it isn't, you already know the answer. Not sure I do? I like Whitehall Mystery, it's a fun game it's mechanically great. My wife really dislikes the game because of the theme and the fact it's about the murder of a real person. Maybe it's just the case the game's not for everyone. I guess the real question is should we continue to make games like this. Would it be fine to make a game about a more recent serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Dec 20, 2021 |
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Aramoro posted:Not sure I do? I like Whitehall Mystery, it's a fun game it's mechanically great. My wife really dislikes the game because of the theme and the fact it's about the murder of a real person. Maybe it's just the case the game's not for everyone. I guess the real question is should we continue to make games like this. Would it be fine to make a game about a more recent serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer. There is a pretty big gap between being thematically about something off-putting and glorifying it to the point of fetishization. Some people will have different comfort levels, which is fine, but this question comes off as extremely insincere in the context that you're asking it. If you can't see why after the recent pages of discussion about KDM then I don't know what to tell you.
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It's because Whitehall, as far as I know, doesn't have art and miniatures sexualizing the assault and murder of the woman and making sure her tits look super great at the same time you loving disingenuous pedant. We can talk all day about if it's okay to make a game about a real person's murder but don't pull that poo poo.
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Fat Samurai posted:We completed March on Pandemic Season 0 yesterday, and I have a doubt because things look too under control: Spoilers for February and March, I guess. I think you're good. infections are actually not a huge threat in this game, more of a background menace but that's its. Season zero is far more about the story of the agents and history leading up to season 1 than the actual virus being the main threat of the game. If you have any experience at all in these types of games, infections shouldn't be a big deal. I think we had a couple cities infected but much later in the game, and it never felt like a a real issue
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interrodactyl posted:There is a pretty big gap between being thematically about something off-putting and glorifying it to the point of fetishization. Edit: I'll leave it for another time then when we're discussing themes for board games.
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Chill la Chill posted:But 1889 is good and I’m hyped for it getting to $150k and hitting the top of the BGG hotness. I cannot believe how well the KS is doing. I know I'm pretty new to the genre myself but hopefully this is a sign of great things. Love GTG's treatment and hope cautiously that this leads to other titles that companies like AAG, GMT, and Mayfair/Lookout print getting more attention as well. Also very hyped to see where the stretch-goals end up. Just kills me that I have to essentially forget the campaign exists for however long it takes to arrive  Also also reminds me that I haven't been able to play any 18xx in a month and I feel like a junky going into withdrawal.
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I think Whitehall falls in a similar space as true crime media. A lot of people are fascinated by it, some people are uncomfortable with it. Some of it is absolutely disrespectful and exploitative, but I don’t think Whitehall falls in that territory if for no reasons beyond the art not being gross and it being about events that were so long ago. It’s fair to not want to play a game about a real life serial killer, but I wouldn’t make value judgements against anyone playing it (or not).
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quote:Whitehall chat To take this conversation to the extreme: are all historical war games problematic because they're about killing real people? I could see people being turned off the game because of that, but I don't see a problem with an abstract representation of war. The same goes for Whitehall: This could have been a game about any sort of chase, but it _happens_ to be about Jack the Ripper, something we all have a cultural consciousness about. There's no dismemberment in the game, there's no killing or anything like that. Fake Edit: Eraflure posted:Looked up a review of KDM, found this picture I've changed my mind, all games should have a "Lion testes" resource
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Slimy Hog posted:Fake Edit: retheme every cube-pusher euro to be about lion testicles
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Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective box 2 has half the cases about Jack the Ripper and it’s supposed to be historically accurate. What that means is that you have half the cases in the box with some cartoonish mystery to solve, and the other half with absolutely gruesome “anatomical” descriptions of murders. It’s a weird shift in theme.
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the holy poopacy posted:retheme every cube-pusher euro to be about lion testicles gimme some lionballs lol
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the holy poopacy posted:retheme every cube-pusher euro to be about lion testicles Want a Vlaada game about the dungeon imps trying to sell weird monster offal
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Tiny Epic Lion Balls
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Jack the Ripper stuff is one I feel fine with when its more about a sorta, broader cultural idea of him. But when it starts representing the real dude even more so than representation of a lot of other famous serial killers I do think it often has the potential to be more gross since people just kinda look at it like "well that was all just in the past."Slimy Hog posted:To take this conversation to the extreme: are all historical war games problematic because they're about killing real people? I could see people being turned off the game because of that, but I don't see a problem with an abstract representation of war. The same goes for Whitehall: This could have been a game about any sort of chase, but it _happens_ to be about Jack the Ripper, something we all have a cultural consciousness about. There's no dismemberment in the game, there's no killing or anything like that. Yeah this is true. I personally get more bother with what I find to be the fetishization of serial killers than I do with war in media. I think it has to do with the fact it does feel more on the personal level. And the former tends to be more deeply rooted in misogyny.
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I don't think it would be crazy for game groups who care about their members' feelings to adopt something like the X Card from RPGs -- when something comes up somebody's not comfortable with, they tap the card, and it's excised without the the group expecting an explanation. People should be able to say they're not comfortable playing a game without having to justify it, and especially without having to explain why THIS treatment of Theme X is troubling for them personally while some other treatment or some other trigger-y theme doesn't. You can't logical-proof your way out of the discomfort, but you can logical-proof your way out of having people to play cool games with.
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FirstAidKite posted:Tiny Epic Lion Balls Finally a good tiny epic game
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FACKER posted:I didn't see this posted yet, seems like bug news: Asmodee purchased Miniature Market at some point during 2021 MM is our LGS, this is a bummer. Had Asmodee made inroads to distribution before? Hopefully they won't gently caress them up too bad.
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Boxman posted:MM is our LGS, this is a bummer. Does this mean if your game has a missing piece, you can't return it to anybody?
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Boxman posted:MM is our LGS, this is a bummer. Supposedly this happened in the past, and I haven’t noticed anything yet myself and I buy both online and in person.
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Bottom Liner posted:The first image I shared is from the base game rulebook and is immediately recognizable as depicting rape to anyone that sees it. The “pinups and graphic stuff is optional” claim is flat out lying. And yeah, they def try to hide all of that while still showing off anime titty minis for a reason and it’s all just gross, way more gross than I even realized at the start of this derail. So I flipped through my rulebook, and nothing in there depicts rape that I could find. The first image is the accompanying image for the "severe injury, brain trauma" table:  This is the accompany text right below the White Speaker's (some storyteller/mystic who channels visions) images:  I guess I've seen the trope of "the powerful Magic Person instructs everyone to bind them while they do A Magic Vision Thing so they don't rampage out of control" in media enough that I don't think it's particularly exotic. This the below The Hand (a Bad Guy):  This is the text for the "intimacy" event as well:  I understand if people think it's too violent/gross/naked/etc and don't want to play it, but I couldn't find the theme as described. However, I do agree that KDM and like.. old Vampire the Masquerade have some of the worst players who are a bit too into it. I don't think I'd join up with a random KDM group without it being everyone I knew in my game circle already. Snooze Cruise posted:Jack the Ripper stuff is one I feel fine with when its more about a sorta, broader cultural idea of him. But when it starts representing the real dude even more so than representation of a lot of other famous serial killers I do think it often has the potential to be more gross since people just kinda look at it like "well that was all just in the past." It seemed weird to me in Sherlock, not because it's the "real depiction", but because it doesn't fit with the theme of any of the other cases in any of the other boxes (or the rest of the cases in the same box). If it was a "true crime" style game I would understand, some people might want to go through the "actual" case, but when the other cases are like.. an actor from a mysterious traveling theater troupe getting shot backstage. It's a rather jarring shift in tone. PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Dec 20, 2021 |
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PRADA SLUT posted:So I flipped through my rulebook, and nothing in there depicts rape that I could find. Just so we're clear, you're trying to say this image is not sexual and does not convey sexual assault and is not "particularly exotic" (i think you mean erotic but in either case lol) https://i.imgur.com/2yqCGvQ.png yeah sure, that's all about brain trauma *wink wink nudge nudge*
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It's just a bunch of people pinning down a nearly naked woman, blindfolding and tying her up, for a wholesome ritual. I see it all the time in my animes. I don't even know what's going on between the legs.
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Bottom Liner posted:Just so we're clear, you're trying to say this image is not sexual and does not convey sexual assault and is not "particularly exotic" (i think you mean erotic but in either case lol) Oh it’s totally sexual, just not a depiction of assault. The start of the game has four people throwing rocks with their junk out, nobody is arguing that it’s some puritanical family game. The description right underneath the picture describes it if you were confused. The game has an entire race/species(?) of giant naked humanoids cannibals, but I don’t jump to “an exposed boob/penis = obviously some sex shenanigans going on.”
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Llyranor posted:It's just a bunch of people pinning down a nearly naked woman, blindfolding and tying her up, for a wholesome ritual. I see it all the time in my animes. you know there is a way to like, comment on something being gross without kinda acting gross and weird yourself like way to double up on what was already uncomfortable? good job?
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PRADA SLUT posted:The description right underneath the picture describes it if you were confused. oh well in that case  quote:
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Can we talk about something other than KDM now? Maybe the Asmodee thing? Or what games you got yourself for the holidays?
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Snooze Cruise posted:you know there is a way to like, comment on something being gross without kinda acting gross and weird yourself I was just (unnecessarily) trying to highlight the absurdity of someone writing a long wall of text showing their extensive research on how the game definitely doesn't depict sexual violence when it's right there in everyone's face. That they wrote "Oh it’s totally sexual, just not a depiction of assault" should be all that needs to be known about the KDM defender.
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