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Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.

i'm doing this as hard as i can

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Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



writing a letter to my representative right now

dear kyrsten sinema,

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MchhtofbgJI

those oil execs are just a bunch of sneaky snakes, imo!!!

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Cabbages and Kings posted:

Rime's last posts have me investigating mushroom farming because I have a friend who used to do it until he decided he'd rather not be on the planet anymore, but while he was here he was real good at it and was just pumping out these huge oyster mushrooms and other foodstrains out of 5 gallon buckets.

Time to figure out what a mushroom complete diet looks like and what the most inexpensive, long-term storable substrates for growing them are, I suppose!

I'm in a pretty good place as far as "isolated but small community of people fiercely interested in helping each other", but I'd be pretty surprised if many people around here are thinking about the 10-20 year outlook the same way I am. We're arguing a lot about how our local schools should or should not be consolidated, so that says a lot.

Gonna get a mycology book.

Check out Paul Stamets. King Stropharia is supposed to be super easy to grow in your garden. Also you may be able to gather wild mushrooms where you live, there are some that are very easy to ID like porcini and chanterelle that don't have any poisonous lookalikes.

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

If you want some ..uplifting viewing, check out Burning on amazon prime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTfyD7ALJtU

Doco about the 2019/2020 Australian bushfires. Seems to be standard of what we can expect from fires in the future, especially in Australia anyway. It's not bad, and worth a watch just to see how utterly hosed this country is.

And be warned, there is some imagery of koalas on fire while alive, koalas with 3rd degrees burns, and the sounds of koalas screaming from being on fire/having 3rd degree burns. So, just be aware. It's loving harrowing and probably the worst part of the show.

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.
is it true or false that humans are basically plants controlled by mushrooms?

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.
:lsd:

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



Boomers: "all that screen time is rotting your brain"
Millennials: "lol uh huh whatever"
*two decades later*
Millennials: "um... maybe you should stay away from the screens for a while"
Boomers, frothing at the mouth: "SHUT UP LIEBERAL YOU'RE RUINING AMERICA"

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

toggle posted:

If you want some ..uplifting viewing, check out Burning on amazon prime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTfyD7ALJtU

Doco about the 2019/2020 Australian bushfires. Seems to be standard of what we can expect from fires in the future, especially in Australia anyway. It's not bad, and worth a watch just to see how utterly hosed this country is.

And be warned, there is some imagery of koalas on fire while alive, koalas with 3rd degrees burns, and the sounds of koalas screaming from being on fire/having 3rd degree burns. So, just be aware. It's loving harrowing and probably the worst part of the show.

Poor syphilis babies :(

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Alobar posted:

is it true or false that humans are basically plants controlled by mushrooms?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mqHCCes5FA

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

apatheticman posted:

Poor syphilis babies :(

those green chlamydia bums are very flamable

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Alobar posted:

is it true or false that humans are basically plants controlled by mushrooms?

:true:

Stevie Lee
Oct 8, 2007
https://twitter.com/unitedbyblue/status/1471936365894029316?s=20


new av material

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

good to see the earth getting out there and doing things after democrats made it feel better

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!



can’t steal nfts dude, show me your blockchain certification before you whip that bad boy out again

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Stevie Lee
Oct 8, 2007

mecca

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice

so much wasted space they could fit a mining op in between the carbon capture foils

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER




working hard thank you

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
lmao stupid thing will never even repay that giant slab of tarmac

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/climate-future-disasters/ posted:


Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. Really Bad.

Future widespread suffering won’t be caused by some unforeseen disaster but by all-too-obvious, painfully predictable reasons.
By Alfred McCoy


A person wades through water while waiting for aid on September 1, 2021, in Jean Lafitte, La. Jean Lafitte Mayor Tim Kerner has pleaded for help for residents of the small town, which is roughly 20 miles south of New Orleans. (Photo by Brandon Bell / Getty Images)

When midnight strikes on New Year’s Day of 2050, there will be little cause for celebration. There will, of course, be the usual toasts with fine wines in the climate-controlled compounds of the wealthy few. But for most of humanity, it’ll just be another day of adversity bordering on misery—a desperate struggle to find food, water, shelter, and safety.

In the previous decades, storm surges will have swept away coastal barriers erected at enormous cost and rising seas will have flooded the downtowns of major cities that once housed more than 100 million people. Relentless waves will pound shorelines around the world, putting villages, towns, and cities at risk.

As several hundred million climate-change refugees in Africa, Latin America, and South Asia fill leaky boats or trudge overland in a desperate search for food and shelter, affluent nations worldwide will be trying to shut their borders even tighter, pushing crowds back with tear gas and gunfire. Yet those reluctant host countries, including the United States, won’t faintly be immune from the pain. Every summer, in fact, ever more powerful hurricanes, propelled by climate change, will pummel the East and Gulf Coasts of this country, possibly even forcing the federal government to abandon Miami and New Orleans to the rising tides. Meanwhile, wildfires, already growing in size in 2021, will devastate vast stretches of the West, destroying thousands upon thousands of homes every summer and fall in an ever-expanding fire season.

And keep in mind that I can write all this now because such future widespread suffering won’t be caused by some unforeseen disaster to come but by an all-too-obvious, painfully predictable imbalance in the basic elements that sustain human life—air, earth, fire, and water. As average world temperatures rise by as much as 2.3° Celsius (4.2° Fahrenheit) by mid-century, climate change will degrade the quality of life in every country on Earth.

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Climate Change in the 21st Century

This dismal vision of life circa 2050 comes not from some flight of literary fantasy, but from published environmental science. Indeed, we can all see the troubling signs of global warming around us right now—worsening wildfires, ever more severe ocean storms, and increased coastal flooding.

While the world is focused on the fiery spectacle of wildfires destroying swaths of Australia, Brazil, California, and Canada, a far more serious threat is developing, only half-attended to, in the planet’s remote polar regions. Not only are the icecaps melting with frightening speed, already raising sea levels worldwide, but the vast Arctic permafrost is fast receding, releasing enormous stores of lethal greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

At that frozen frontier far beyond our ken or consciousness, ecological changes, brewing largely invisibly deep beneath the Arctic tundra, will accelerate global warming in ways sure to inflict untold future misery on all of us. More than any other place or problem, the thawing of the Arctic’s frozen earth, which covers vast parts of the roof of the world, will shape humanity’s fate for the rest of this century—destroying cities, devastating nations, and rupturing the current global order.

If, as I’ve suggested in my new book, To Govern the Globe: World Orders and Catastrophic Change, Washington’s world system is likely to fade by 2030, thanks to a mix of domestic decline and international rivalry, Beijing’s hypernationalist hegemony will, at best, have just a couple of decades of dominance before it, too, suffers the calamitous consequences of unchecked global warming. By 2050, as the seas submerge some of its major cities and heat begins to ravage its agricultural heartland, China will have no choice but to abandon whatever sort of global system it might have constructed. And so, as we peer dimly into the potentially catastrophic decades beyond 2050, the international community will have good reason to forge a new kind of world order unlike any that has come before.
The Impact of Global Warming at Mid-Century

In assessing the likely course of climate change by 2050, one question is paramount: How quickly will we feel its impact?

For decades, scientists thought that climate change would arrive at what science writer Eugene Linden called a “stately pace.” In 1975, the US National Academies of Sciences still felt that it would “take centuries for the climate to change in a meaningful way.” As late as 1990, the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded that the Arctic permafrost, which stores both staggering amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane, an even more dangerous greenhouse gas, was not yet melting and that the Antarctic ice sheets remained stable. In 1993, however, scientists began studying ice cores extracted from Greenland’s ice cap and found that there had been 25 “rapid climate change events” in the last glacial period thousands of years ago, showing that the “climate could change massively within a decade or two.”

Driven by a growing scientific consensus about the dangers facing humanity, representatives of 196 states met in 2015 in Paris, where they agreed to commit themselves to a 45 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 and achieve net carbon neutrality by 2050 to limit global warming to 1.5°C above preindustrial levels. This, they argued, would be sufficient to avoid the disastrous impacts sure to come at 2.0°C degrees or higher.

However, the bright hopes of that Paris conference faded quickly. Within three years, the scientific community realized that the cascading effects of global warming reaching 1.5°C above preindustrial levels would be evident not in the distant future of 2100, but perhaps by 2040, impacting most adults alive today.

The medium-term effects of climate change will only be amplified by the uneven way the planet is warming, with a far heavier impact in the Arctic. According to a Washington Post analysis, by 2018 the world already had “hot spots” that had recorded an average rise of 2.0°C above the preindustrial norm. As the sun strikes tropical latitudes, huge columns of warm air rise and then are pushed toward the poles by greenhouse gases trapped in the atmosphere, until they drop down to earth at higher latitudes, creating spots with faster-rising temperatures in the Middle East, Western Europe, and, above all, the Arctic.

In a 2018 IPCC “doomsday report,” its scientists warned that even at just 1.5°C, temperature increases would be unevenly distributed globally and could possibly reach a devastating 4.5°C in the Arctic’s high altitudes, with profound consequences for the entire planet.

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Climate-Change Cataclysm

Recent scientific research has found that, by 2050, the key drivers of major climate change will be feedback loops at both ends of the temperature spectrum. At the hotter end, in Africa, Australia, and the Amazon, warmer temperatures will spark ever more devastating forest fires, reducing tree cover, and releasing vast amounts of carbon into the atmosphere. This, in turn (as is already happening), will fuel yet more fires and so create a monstrous self-reinforcing feedback loop that could decimate the great tropical rainforests of this planet.

The even more serious and uncontrollable driver, however, will be in the planet’s polar regions. There, an Arctic feedback loop is already gaining a self-sustaining momentum that could soon move beyond humanity’s capacity to control it. By mid-century (or before), as ice sheets continue to melt disastrously in Greenland and Antarctica, rising oceans will make extreme sea-level events, like once-in-a-century storm surges and flooding, annual occurrences in many areas. If global warming grows beyond the maximum 2°C target set by the Paris Agreement, depending on what happens to Antarctica’s ice sheets, ocean levels could increase by a staggering 43 inches as this century ends.

In fact, a “worst-case scenario” by the National Academies of Sciences projects a sea-level rise of as much as 20 inches by 2050 and 78 inches in 2100, with a “catastrophic” loss of 690,000 square miles of land, an expanse four times the size of California, displacing about 2.5 percent of the world’s population and inundating major cities like New York. Adding to such concerns, a recent study in Nature predicted that, by 2060, rain rather than snow could dominate parts of the Arctic, further accelerating ice loss and raising sea levels significantly. Moving that doomsday ever closer, recent satellite imagery reveals that the ice shelf holding back Antarctica’s massive Thwaites Glacier could “shatter within three to five years,” quickly breaking that Florida-sized frozen mass into hundreds of icebergs and eventually resulting “in several feet of sea level rise” on its own.

Think of it this way: In the Arctic, ice is drama, but permafrost is death. The spectacle of melting polar ice sheets cascading into ocean waters is dramatic indeed. True mass death, however, lies in the murky, mysterious permafrost. That sloppy stew of decayed matter and frozen water from ice ages past covers 730,000 square miles of the Northern Hemisphere, can reach 2,300 feet below ground, and holds enough potentially releasable carbon and methane to melt the poles and inundate densely populated coastal plains worldwide. In turn, such emissions would only raise Arctic temperatures further, melt more permafrost (and ice), and so on, year after year after year. We’re talking, in other words, about a potentially devastating feedback loop that could increase greenhouse gases in the atmosphere beyond the planet’s capacity to compensate.

According to a 2019 report in Nature, the vast zone of frozen earth that covers about a quarter of the Northern Hemisphere is a sprawling storehouse for about 1.6 trillion metric tons of carbon—twice the amount already in the atmosphere. Current models “assume that permafrost thaws gradually from the surface downwards,” slowly releasing methane and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. But frozen soil also “physically holds the landscape together” and so its thawing can rip the surface open erratically, exposing ever-larger areas to the sun.

Around the Arctic Circle, there is already dramatic physical evidence of rapid change. Amid the vast permafrost that covers nearly two-thirds of Russia, one small Siberian town had temperatures that reached a historic 100 degrees Fahrenheit in June 2020, the highest ever recorded above the Arctic Circle. Meanwhile, several peninsulas on the Arctic Sea have experienced methane eruptions that have produced craters up to 100 feet deep. Since rapid thawing releases more methane than gradual melting does and methane has 25 times more heating power than CO2, the “impacts of thawing permafrost on Earth’s climate,” suggests that 2019 report in Nature, “could be twice that expected from current models.”

To add a dangerous wild card to such an already staggering panorama of potential destruction, about 700,000 square miles of Siberia also contain a form of methane-rich permafrost called yedoma, which forms a layer of ice 30 to 260 feet deep. As rising temperatures melt that icy permafrost, expanding lakes (which now cover 30 percentf of Siberia) will serve as even greater conduits for the release of such methane, which will bubble up from their melting bottoms to escape into the atmosphere.

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New World Order?

Given the clear failure of the current world system to cope with climate change, the international community will, by mid-century, need to find new forms of collaboration to contain the damage. After all, the countries at the recent UN climate summit at Glasgow couldn’t even agree to “phase out” coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuels. Instead, in their final “outcome document,” they opted for the phrase “phase down”—capitulating to China, which has no plans to even start reducing its coal combustion until 2025, and India, which recently postponed its goal of achieving net-carbon neutrality until an almost unimaginably distant 2070. Since those two countries account for 37 percent of all greenhouse gases now being released into the atmosphere, their procrastination courts climate disaster for humanity.

Who knows what new forms of global governance and cooperation will come into being in the years ahead, but simply to focus on an old one, here’s a possibility: To exercise effective sovereignty over the global commons, perhaps a genuinely reinforced United Nations could reform itself in major ways, including making the Security Council an elective body with no permanent members and ending the great-power prerogative of unilateral vetoes. Such a reformed and potentially more powerful organization could then agree to cede sovereignty over a few narrow yet critical areas of governance to protect the most fundamental of all human rights: survival.

Just as the Security Council can (at least theoretically) now punish a nation that crosses international borders with armed force, so a future UN could sanction in potentially meaningful ways a state that continued to release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere or refused to receive climate-change refugees. To save that human tide, estimated at between 200 million and 1.2 billion people by mid-century, some UN high commissioner would need the authority to enforce the mandatory resettlement of at least some of them. Moreover, the current voluntary transfer of climate reconstruction funds from the prosperous temperate zone to the poor tropics would need to become mandatory as well.

No one can predict with any certainty whether reforms like these and the power to change national behavior that would come with them will arrive in time to cap emissions and slow climate change, or too late (if at all) to do anything but manage a series of increasingly uncontrollable feedback loops. Yet without such change, the current world order will almost certainly collapse into catastrophic global disorder with dire consequences for all of us.

Hubbert posted:

our children will want to murder us lmfao

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Hubbert posted:

our children will want to murder us lmfao

parents? yeah i took care of em

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Hubbert posted:

quote:

Who knows what new forms of global governance and cooperation will come into being in the years ahead, but simply to focus on an old one, here’s a possibility: To exercise effective sovereignty over the global commons, perhaps a genuinely reinforced United Nations could reform itself in major ways, including making the Security Council an elective body with no permanent members and ending the great-power prerogative of unilateral vetoes. Such a reformed and potentially more powerful organization could then agree to cede sovereignty over a few narrow yet critical areas of governance to protect the most fundamental of all human rights: survival.

Just as the Security Council can (at least theoretically) now punish a nation that crosses international borders with armed force, so a future UN could sanction in potentially meaningful ways a state that continued to release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere or refused to receive climate-change refugees. To save that human tide, estimated at between 200 million and 1.2 billion people by mid-century, some UN high commissioner would need the authority to enforce the mandatory resettlement of at least some of them. Moreover, the current voluntary transfer of climate reconstruction funds from the prosperous temperate zone to the poor tropics would need to become mandatory as well.

I don't know if it's funny or sad how many people don't realize that the UN is literally just an open forum for nations to talk to each other. That it's in no sense a world government, never was, and has no ability to assume the role.

err
Apr 11, 2005

I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...
The Last of the Redmond Billionaires by Peter Watts

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-decameron-37158539

Short read. Add to the OP.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

thats nihilism

kater
Nov 16, 2010

“The results are fascinating but at the same time concerning,”

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

glad to see planet’s not feeling so hot anymore

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



"Hello? Yes, hi, so me and my friends dumped endocrine disruptors into the water table for several decades and now all my great grandkids are transcendental or something. How much money do I need to dump in the water table to reverse this? "

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
how he sees himself



how he looks

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami


drat, I want to give that earth a wedgie.

Oh wait, I already am

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Complications posted:

I don't know if it's funny or sad how many people don't realize that the UN is literally just an open forum for nations to talk to each other. That it's in no sense a world government, never was, and has no ability to assume the role.

These people are absolutely mind-bogglingly stupid. Like just the bottom of the barrel

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

Jupiter and Saturn would give that goober the biggest wedgie

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/himalayan-glaciers-are-melting-at-furious-rate-new-study-shows-11639994402

quote:

Glaciers across the Himalayas are melting at an extraordinary rate, with new research showing that the vast ice sheets there shrank 10 times faster in the past 40 years than during the previous seven centuries.

lol when the indus river goes dry

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
We're gonna see some serious poo poo

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Milo and POTUS posted:

We're gonna see some serious poo poo

Oh are you taking a trip to the British coast?

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

wtf? no bike parking?

That Spooky Witch
Jun 16, 2017

All hail the triune god

this image would go well on a bag of heroin

That Spooky Witch has issued a correction as of 15:01 on Dec 21, 2021

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
earth isn't a nerd. earth is more of a sexy sub and likes it when we exploit it. too bad we can't handle it when earth gets too hot, but that's on us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTXdah8LXZk

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Barry Soteriology
Mar 1, 2020
https://i.imgur.com/uVcc5Lk.mp4

from a reddit post titled Odette (Rai) Category 5 typhoon ravages a stadium in the Philippines

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