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BrianWilly posted:On the subject of WW...look, I'm not exactly a Deadman aficionado or anything, but am I the only one finding this whole thing with him randomly hijacking some dead guy's body without his consent, riding it around for poops and giggles, and then dumping it in the ocean...pretty gross? I mean, if it was a life and death situation then sure, you take the body that you can get, but like...this level of casual disrespect for someone's corpse feels like the sort of thing that a lot of people should have a problem with, much less Diana. I mean he does say he normally tries to give the bodies some dignity and that that was an exception. My only problem with it is that I thought Deadman's whole schtick was that he was totally a ghost and could not communicate with anyone without first possessing someone. In that respect I was like "if he's gotta possess someone, better a corpse than hijacking someone's life  " but Diana seems to see and talk to him just fine so I don't see the point of the corpse-jacking in the first place.
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BrianWilly posted:Honestly, for now just read the books of the character[s] you're interested in. There's not a tremendous amount of company-wide synergy at the moment and every characters' office is just kinda doing their own thing. I dunno we have a huge slate of crossovers coming up/in the process of happening.
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TwoPair posted:I mean he does say he normally tries to give the bodies some dignity and that that was an exception. Add in the fact that the actual story of the issue was all about laying the dead to rest, honoring Siegfried's final moments? The fact that they ended up dropping the corpse they used off in the sea like so much trash felt practically like some sort of sick in-joke. Two Tone Shoes posted:I dunno we have a huge slate of crossovers coming up/in the process of happening. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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I think it depends on how you're defining a "crossover", Fear State just wrapped up and it was primarily an arc in Batman but also had tie-in issues. DC keeps describing "Shadows of the Bat" as an "event" even though it thus far appears to be a twelve issue arc in Detective Comics. There are some bonafide crossovers coming in early 2022, but they all seem pretty small, like Tom Taylor doing a story that starts in Nightwing and continues in Superman, and Joshua Williamson doing "Shadow War" tying Batman, Deathstroke Inc, and Robin together in March. Trial of the Amazons also starts in March, tying all three Wonder Woman books together in a story. None of these are "crossovers" or "events" in the way in the way something like Civil War or ***** Crisis are, but on some level if you just want to read Robin or Nubia of the Amazons, you are going to be sucked into figuring out what is going on in their 'parent' books, however briefly. Which isn't how a lot of people think of crossovers, which is more "if you want to read Swamp Thing you are going to be required to also read several issues of Constantine, Teen Titans, Green Arrow, and the Outsiders to see major plot developments and also there's a Joker War thing that will derail Swamp Thing for four issues" etc.
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Okay, so let's say I want to follow the Young Justice characters. Do Tim, Bart, and Connor have books? I see there's a new Wonder Girl. The last time I seriously read DC was around 2004-5 around Infinite Crisis. Everything was fairly stable then, just starting to get shaky. I've tried a couple times to get back in but I think I did bounce off that 2016 JLA, and the Metal series didn't do much for me.
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Beerdeer posted:Okay, so let's say I want to follow the Young Justice characters. Do Tim, Bart, and Connor have books? Tim has had a couple of stories in Batman: Urban Legends which is an anthology comic featuring a bunch of other Bat-characters. IIRC it was one of those where he came out as being bi. Connor appeared in the Superman comics in Bendis' run (he is not in the current ones). I don't think Bart's been in anything since the YJ revival aside from group shots in event books.
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BrianWilly posted:Honestly, for now just read the books of the character[s] you're interested in. There's not a tremendous amount of company-wide synergy at the moment and every characters' office is just kinda doing their own thing. Is President Superman the black one, or a version of Clark Kent that became President?
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Skwirl posted:Is President Superman the black one, or a version of Clark Kent that became President? The Black one. Who I think is a version of Zod?
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Edge & Christian posted:I think it depends on how you're defining a "crossover", Fear State just wrapped up and it was primarily an arc in Batman but also had tie-in issues. DC keeps describing "Shadows of the Bat" as an "event" even though it thus far appears to be a twelve issue arc in Detective Comics. I know this is the DC thread, but I've really liked how in Marvel lately they've seemed to move away from this, at least in the X-line for non X-events. X of swords you had to read most of it, but Hellfire Gala you could just keep reading whatever you're reading and ignore the other (I think Wolverine and X-Force were a two parter) and then for stuff like Empyre and King in Black I've only read the X-Men parts of those and didn't have any trouble following what was happening in the X-books.
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TwoPair posted:Tim has had a couple of stories in Batman: Urban Legends which is an anthology comic featuring a bunch of other Bat-characters. IIRC it was one of those where he came out as being bi. Connor appeared in the Superman comics in Bendis' run (he is not in the current ones). I don't think Bart's been in anything since the YJ revival aside from group shots in event books. Thanks much
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Beerdeer posted:Okay, so let's say I want to follow the Young Justice characters. Do Tim, Bart, and Connor have books? I see there's a new Wonder Girl. The last time I seriously read DC was around 2004-5 around Infinite Crisis. Everything was fairly stable then, just starting to get shaky. Tim also shows up early in Tom Taylor's currently ongoing run of Nightwing. I need to catch up so I don't know how much he appears later.
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And Wonder Girl is in... um... Wonder Girl. Actually all of them are in it at the moment. Cassie and Donna are chilling with the South American Amazons and Yara is trying to get out of Olympus without Hera killing her.
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Gaz-L posted:And Wonder Girl is in... um... Wonder Girl. Actually all of them are in it at the moment. Cassie and Donna are chilling with the South American Amazons and Yara is trying to get out of Olympus without Hera killing her. I need to start reading Wonder Girl.
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Skwirl posted:I need to start reading Wonder Girl. It's a very pretty book, having flipped through it. Kinda thirsty for its main character sometimes, but it's nice to look at.
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Gaz-L posted:The Black one. Who I think is a version of Zod? Those are two different black Supermen.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:46
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Open Marriage Night posted:Those are two different black Supermen. Neat! 
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Gaz-L posted:The Black one. Who I think is a version of Zod? President Superman is an alternate Kal-El. The second Superman from the Earth-2 series was Val-Zod, who I think was the son of his universe's General Zod and later adopted by Jor-El and Lara before Krypton exploded.
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Edge & Christian posted:I think it depends on how you're defining a "crossover", Fear State just wrapped up and it was primarily an arc in Batman but also had tie-in issues. DC keeps describing "Shadows of the Bat" as an "event" even though it thus far appears to be a twelve issue arc in Detective Comics. There's also the Earth 3 Titans crossover thing coming up.
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Splint Chesthair posted:President Superman is an alternate Kal-El. You're all forgetting the grooviest Superman of them all! Sunshine Superman!  That makes 3 Supermen of Color.
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If we're going from 'Black Supermen' to 'Superman of Color', we also have Chinese Super-Man: And Spanish Superman!  (I am still shocked DC never tried to do more with the Gods and Monsters universe.)
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Jiro posted:You're all forgetting the grooviest Superman of them all! Sunshine Superman! I would never forget Sunshine Superman! Grant even brought back fellow Love Syndicate member Magic Lantern in his Green Lantern run.
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Vandar posted:
There were rumors of that turning into a show, but it didn't happen.
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I can not believe how many villains batman kills pre-crisis
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So is Cassie the old Cassie, or new super-thief Cassie from New 52 Teen Titans?
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EDIT: Me getting Wonder Girl mixed up with Batgirl.
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Beerdeer posted:So is Cassie the old Cassie, or new super-thief Cassie from New 52 Teen Titans? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-YfuVQmX8
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Beerdeer posted:So is Cassie the old Cassie, or new super-thief Cassie from New 52 Teen Titans? Whatever you're reading in Wonder Girl is whatever Joelle Jones wants her to be. She is not using any history or stories to inform her decisions with Cassie. She's basically a blank slate to help deliver Yara to us and to make Yara integral to the rest of the Wonder Women/Girls.
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It's essentially background agnostic with the only thing really referenced is the part that's been consistent with all of her incarnations which is that she's the Daughter of Zeus (and thus Diana's aunt or something)
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Xelkelvos posted:It's essentially background agnostic with the only thing really referenced is the part that's been consistent with all of her incarnations which is that she's the Daughter of Zeus (and thus Diana's aunt or something) It's fuzzy. New 52 had Zeus be her grandfather so Diana was her aunt. Rucka tried to reset that stuff but Robinson reasserted it probably to keep in line with the movie so I think that's still their relationship. gently caress knows how Donna fits any more.
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Xelkelvos posted:It's essentially background agnostic with the only thing really referenced is the part that's been consistent with all of her incarnations which is that she's the Daughter of Zeus (and thus Diana's aunt or something) Cassie not ever having met Artemis is a lot more than background agnostic. It's background exclusionary.
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Unfortunately, as of now, the origin is still that Diana is Zeus' daughter (re-confirmed as of a handful of issues ago in her main book) and Cassie is Zeus' grand-daughter. How this is supposed to work, considering that Cassie's co-called father Lennox never actually existed, has not been explained. And Donna is [train rolls by, drowning out sound] The fact is that every contradictory thing about Diana, Donna, and Cassie would actually all be easily, coherently smoothed out if they would only just give everyone what they wanted and simply have Diana be made of clay again, but my strong suspicion is that someone up high on the WB/DC decision-making branch is still doggedly hanging onto the Zeus origin in order to keep synergy with the DCEU...which, yes, is pretty ironic/silly/backwards considering that the movie likely only did that to keep synergy with what was the comics origin at the time and also like, who even cares about the DCEU anymore at this point. The editorial branch of the WW offices seem more competent and put-together nowadays than they've ever been before but this remains the one scab they won't pick at, likely also because Conrad and Cloonan don't seem particularly incentivized. The downside of which is that this one single discrepancy in Diana's backstory continues to spread out and muddle the backstories of every single other character in her franchise, from Cassie to Donna and even Hippolyta and Nubia as well, so every writer who handles them has to do the narrative equivalent of politely ignoring the fact that these characters' origins haven't made any sense for about ten years. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Dec 18, 2021 |
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Oh dear. Are we setting up for that old favorite Who Is Wonder Woman/Donna Troy/Wonder Girl/Heck Maybe Artemis?
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The thing on that vein that baffles me is how hard Robinson's run leaned into it. Like you could 100% just ignore her origin after Rucka left. There is nothing about her being clay or Zeus' lovechild that precludes her fighting the Cheetah or Circe or Dr Psycho. But nope, literally had to do like 20 issues of 'Daddy Issues The Comic'.
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Where are my jsa and jsa related heroes books?
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Mr Hootington posted:Where are my jsa and jsa related heroes books? Geoff Johns took them all when he was thrown out of the offices Jazzy Jeff style once Three Jokers was over.  Just give me an Hourman cameo, DC...
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Johns didn't get thrown out he's just moved over entirely to writing/producing for the movies and TV which is more or less what he was doing before Three Jokers, really
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Blockhouse posted:Johns didn't get thrown out he's just moved over entirely to writing/producing for the movies and TV *the sounds of the JSA being dragged into oblivion fill the air*
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Wouldn’t be their first time trapped in limbo.
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This week's Nightwing is just delightful and I'd strongly recommend it to anyone, even people who aren't following. Doesn't require a lot of context aside from that Dick recently decided to use money he inherited to help people in Bludhaven and this has angered some of the locals.
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