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China isn't very good at this; why can't they make her upload "impromptu" videos on her social media, you know just talking about how actually everything is OK and western journalists are hyping it all up. Instead all these appearances and official interviews appear ridiculously over stage managed.
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Is the figure in the statement true that it's around eighty percent of Tibetan children being placed in compulsory boarding education? What strength of evidence do we have for the general rate of boarding separation from family? What's the compulsory mechanism? What happens to families who resist?
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Dec 20, 2021 19:17
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Kavros posted:Is the figure in the statement true that it's around eighty percent of Tibetan children being placed in compulsory boarding education? What strength of evidence do we have for the general rate of boarding separation from family? What's the compulsory mechanism? What happens to families who resist? It's from chinese government data on childhood education. It's been that high for a while. Generally it's higher in china in more remote areas, but there are two regions in china where it is almost universally very high, even in urban areas. You can probably guess which two regions those are. It's also true that boarding education is quite common in china, but there are two regions where it starts much earlier and is much, much more prevalent. and by more prevalent i mean like 2-3x more prevalent Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 20, 2021 |
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Dec 20, 2021 19:26
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American schools used to beat kids in Louisiana until they stopped speaking french and call it "teaching them english." I always considered it an improvement my teachers didn't care what language I spoke at home, but TIL it's actually the most leftist to do the first thing. Otherwise how could they learn the majority language and thrive?
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Dec 20, 2021 19:51
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Rabelais D posted:China isn't very good at this; why can't they make her upload "impromptu" videos on her social media, you know just talking about how actually everything is OK and western journalists are hyping it all up. Instead all these appearances and official interviews appear ridiculously over stage managed. I think it is because they don't want people to think she is OK. They don't want people to think that she had never been raped by a Party Official. It's not about creating a plausible lie. The lie itself is enough. The truth, (that if you speak against the Party or one of it's members, you will be forced to recant and your life will become very difficult and constrained), needs to be seen and understood. And in this case it has been seen by the world. But the lie itself is there for administrative purposes only. Not to convince anyone. And another sad thing I was thinking about Peng Shuai. Nobody cares about the fact that she was raped. It is all about the fact that her rapist is a CCP higher up. If she was raped by, say her coach, or some rando, we would never have heard about it, nor would the Chinese government be falling overthemselves to deny it and further victimize her. So yeah, CCP oppression is bad. But so is rape. And Peng Shuai is a victim of both.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:31
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BrigadierSensible posted:And another sad thing I was thinking about Peng Shuai. Nobody cares about the fact that she was raped. That's a big presumption.
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Dec 20, 2021 21:48
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:That's a big presumption. Fair enough. Can I rephrase and say that nobody cares ENOUGH that she has been raped. Coz political oppression, intimidation and censorship are all bad things to be sure. But a woman was raped, and had the courage to speak out about it. This should be a bigger part of the story than it is.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:29
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BrigadierSensible posted:
It is a big part of the story so I’m not sure what you think should be happening that’s different. The WTA even asked to let her tell her story and let he be heard on the matter.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:32
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i think the issue is when you say nobody, you're implying that every person with an opinion on it has the opinion for some ulterior (or otherwise) motive or reason, or at least that's how it reads? Mostly, I think it's hard not to feel bad for her and doubly so because running into the absolute brickwall of futility that is trying to get any kind of justice against someone powerful is deeply relatable basically everywhere on the planet.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:36
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I will be very impressed if China can successfully navigate their real estate crisis and let international investors take a bath while looking out for the working class.
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Dec 20, 2021 22:45
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Judakel posted:I will be very impressed if China can successfully navigate their real estate crisis and let international investors take a bath while looking out for the working class. How do you think they might do this?
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Dec 20, 2021 22:53
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I have been thinking that this case of one high profile woman speaking out about her experience and getting this kind clampdown does definitely mean that there's probably a much larger iceberg underneath the surface of many women having similar or worse experiences with much less hope of being heard because they don't have any international attention. I'm a bit uncomfortable about Peng Shuai personally and what might be best for her, because while international influence to shift China's treatment of its minorities is a longshot, affecting what they do to one person in particular seems even more of a longshot, especially if it's a hairy issue like this that even in western countries with more freedom of speech and more of a promise of fair courts is hard to resolve well. I think that while her example will be important to remember when paying attention to how the PRC handle's women's rights, the more it's remembered and the more international punishments on the state of China that are done in her name may lead to more reprisals against Peng Shuai personally. Judakel posted:I will be very impressed if China can successfully navigate their real estate crisis and let international investors take a bath while looking out for the working class. I can imagine them screwing over international investors, but I can't see why you'd expect them to look out for the working class.
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There's a whole additional issue of how hosed up state athletic programs are in nearly every case (and I'm talking far beyond just china here, but also v much in china) and peng's account emphasizes a bunch of the major issues there, eg how she grew up immersed in sport very much to the exclusion of everything else and how not being able to socialize normally or form normal attachments caused her issues down the road and left her more vulnerable to abuse and unhealthy relationships. Which is exactly what you'd expect to happen when you remove a kid from their normal social milieu and plop them into an athletic program that takes priority over basically everything else. the whole thing is just really sad on a bunch of levels.
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Dec 20, 2021 23:23
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Alchenar posted:How do you think they might do this? SlothfulCobra posted:I can imagine them screwing over international investors, but I can't see why you'd expect them to look out for the working class. Everything done so far has been aimed at collapsing private interests and seizing assets while shifting the losses unto speculators. They seem to be attempting a restructuring of the housing market towards people who buy a place to live, not speculation.
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Dec 20, 2021 23:55
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Kavros posted:Is the figure in the statement true that it's around eighty percent of Tibetan children being placed in compulsory boarding education? What strength of evidence do we have for the general rate of boarding separation from family? What's the compulsory mechanism? What happens to families who resist? From the report: quote:Government figures for all students in China (including Tibetans) indicate that 14.1% of rural elementary school children are boarding. However, in the TAR alone (home to approximately 44% of Tibetans), that rate is more than five times higher, with 79.8% of elementary school children boarding. In comparison to individual provinces that are primarily Chinese but that, like Tibet, have large rural populations, there is still a 50-60% difference. In Henan, for example, an inland province that is 98.8% Chinese and largely rural, only 18.58% of elementary students are boarding. Also from the same report: quote:Another Tibetan recounted a process of pressure and intimidation after their village opposed sending children in Grades 1-3 to boarding school. They described one of multiple visits from authorities: The government also closed hundreds of local schools. In many locations if you want you children to have any education whatsoever, you will need to send them to a boarding school. quote:From 2008-2011, 87 elementary and secondary schools were merged into 11 boarding schools based in the township and county seats. Most villages previously had either an elementary school or a teaching post.25 The number of elementary and secondary schools in the prefecture as a whole dropped from 372 to 66 in 2010.
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Dec 21, 2021 02:11
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offshore bondholders will be bottom on the priority list, which is reflected appropriately in the low price of Evergrande bonds presently the problem with reifying an attack on 'speculators' is that Evergrande's creditors are predominantly domestic state-owned banks. the speculators are dialling from inside the house. so besides inverting the normal equity-bondholder relationship in a restructure (!), it's tricky ronya fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Dec 21, 2021 04:19
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This was fairly interesting analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMD3_Sk-Ha0 International bondholders are going to have to suck up their losses, but the local credit and contagion risks don't go away as a result.
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Dec 21, 2021 11:29
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Rabelais D posted:China isn't very good at this; why can't they make her upload "impromptu" videos on her social media, you know just talking about how actually everything is OK and western journalists are hyping it all up. Instead all these appearances and official interviews appear ridiculously over stage managed. The point isn't for you, or anyone with two brain cells, to believe. The point is for anyone with two brain cells to comply or face the consequences. It's meant to be performative penance for embarrassing China. And, if the embarrassment continues, there will be further punishments. If international tennis doesn't back down, then Peng Shuai will suffer more.
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Dec 21, 2021 20:52
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GlassElephant posted:The government also closed hundreds of local schools. In many locations if you want you children to have any education whatsoever, you will need to send them to a boarding school. So, as I am understanding it from the available sources and analysis, essentially a more intentionally retrogressive version of the implementation of the Indian Schools of the north americas, through the additional step of concertedly revoking and dismantling existing culturally integrated schooling systems to forcefully displace the children to a constructed assimilational environment. 80% is an impressively high number for total populace, too, and that's why I wanted to know if it was genuinely credible.
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Dec 21, 2021 21:03
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The NHL is pulling it's players from Beijing 2022. But no need to worry, they aren't doing it out of protest over anything that the CCP are doing to a prominent sportsperson, or any ongoing genocide they may be perpetrating or anything fun like that. They are doing it because quarantine is hard, and if they go and play for their countries, they will miss too many games for their clubs, thus making these millionaire athletes not get paid for a few weeks. I can't see this being a huge deal. (Maybe because I am from a non Ice Hockey playing country). Sure Ice Hockey enthusiasts will complain that the Olympic tournament has now been compromised, with the talent pool limited. But this will lead to your also-ran countries now having a chance at a medal, and if Canada etc. still send a team of non NHL players, it also allows non professional players to show their stuff on a big international stage, and possibly graduate up to the big leagues. Also China/the CCP won't throw that big a tantrum because 1)they don't give a gently caress about Ice Hockey, 2)this means the Chinese team won't lose 35-0 as was likely if they went up against a full strength Sweden, and 3)it's not a political boycott.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:19
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It's probably better not to have NHL players in the olympics, even if it means we probably won't win. 
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It's probably better not to have NHL players in the olympics, even if it means we probably won't win. Surely a Canadian Ice Hockey player who isn't good enough to get into the NHL is still miles better than, say an Australian or UK Ice Hockey player good enough to make the national team? Serious question. Ice Hockey is not my sport.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:32
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nhl players are not all americans or playing for the US, hth
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BrigadierSensible posted:Surely a Canadian Ice Hockey player who isn't good enough to get into the NHL is still miles better than, say an Australian or UK Ice Hockey player good enough to make the national team? just look at the results of the last Games without NHL players. Canadians are still good but not having the NHL players opens the field up for a lot more teams to compete. Just look at Germany last time.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:nhl players are not all americans or playing for the US, hth Not once in my posts did I mention the US. Nor did the bloke who replied to me. As far as I know all the good Ice Hockey players come from Canada, Sweden, Russia, and maybe Estonia(?)
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Dec 21, 2021 22:43
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BrigadierSensible posted:The NHL is pulling it's players from Beijing 2022. They didn’t send players last time either. Is it really the players being greedy as you’ve framed it here, or the league being greedy like it was before? I imagine most players would love to play for their country, but I can see how covid makes it more annoying. The NHL took steps last time to prevent players from defying the ban. Starks fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Dec 21, 2021 23:18
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Starks posted:They didn’t send players last time either. I will readily admit I don't know too much about the situation. As in I didn't know the NHL didn't send players last time, and that the league itself took steps to stop players from leaving. So yeah, as you describe it it sounds more like the NHL, (being the pinnacle of Ice Hockey in terms of talent and money), believing they are above national competitions/tournaments/the IOC etc. Sorry for my ignorance. I just thought it was interesting that there was a player boycott of the games, and in light of the WTA stuff, and the US, UK etc diplomatic boycott, this one was based on the more base ideals of professional sports leagues.
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Dec 21, 2021 23:45
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There are a bunch of professional leagues in Europe. Players for Canada/us etc. will get picked out of there. Germany tends to have a strong team because the German league is pretty good and normally doesn't send loads of players to the nhl
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ilmucche posted:There are a bunch of professional leagues in Europe. Players for Canada/us etc. will get picked out of there. I don't think you "send" players to the NHL.
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Dec 22, 2021 09:26
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Get signed, whatever.
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ilmucche posted:Get signed, whatever. No I meant if they were any good as implied, NHL would've bought them.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I don't think you "send" players to the NHL. Every country in Europe has to send one player to the NHL, as tribute.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:No I meant if they were any good as implied, NHL would've bought them. I don't think you "buy" players In any case, responding to the initial post there are plenty of professional leagues in Europe for the us/Canada to put together decent squads and have a good tournament. Just not a best-on-best
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https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1473958744220483588
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Dec 23, 2021 15:51
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Tianment square never happened. CIA hoax basically
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Dec 23, 2021 16:16
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I'm sure I'm about to get an opportunity to read about how Actually Nothing Bad Happened, Or If It Did Happen They Totally Deserved It.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:38
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The dead students were massacred for refusing to apologize for embarrassing China.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Tianment square never happened. CIA hoax basically They should have left it up as a monument to the bravery of the pla troops who were savagely attacked by students
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the degree to which the CPC refuses to engage in critical analysis of tiananmen square and instead straight up memory holes it is honestly really weird. the cpc has been entirely consistent with grappling with all the major actions the party has taken in the past (cultural revolution etc) and to fail to do so in this case is just weird as heck, frankly.
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Morrow posted:The dead students were massacred for refusing to apologize for embarrassing China. Secretly killed by the Taiwan military. After all, there is historical precedent for them running over Chinese people with tanks.
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