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" Pentagon sent an assessment team to Ukraine to evaluate Kyiv's air defense needs earlier this month, spox John Kirby said " Also the US has now invited Russia to the bargaining table for a peaceful resolution. Boy I sure like our Track record with peace agreements for our allies without our allies present WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Vasukhani posted:States have interests, Ukraine is a security interest for Russia. It isn't for the US. American actions prove this. American support is unlikely to meaningfully change the outcome of any conflict and will be small. Let's make this easy: 1. Do you acknowledge that the US and European states have a security interest in seeing Russia not gobble up sympathetic states on the European periphery? 2. Do you acknowledge that their are mechanisms short of direct military action that the West can take to shift Putin's calculus against committing wanton belligerence? 3. Do you think that the West should pursue these mechanisms? Why or why not? 4. Do you think that an invasion of Ukraine serves Russia's long-term security interest on the global scale? How so?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:
Are you referring to the Biden Putin call on Friday or something else?
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Putin will achieve pan slavism
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Pls post more interesting or wacky news instead of endlessly going in circles on that one point with that one guy
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Cugel the Clever posted:1. Do you acknowledge that the US and European states have a security interest in seeing Russia not gobble up sympathetic states on the European periphery? 1. yes? for the US (the country that matters as euro-statelets are very weak) these interests vis a vis ukraine are not a high priority. Containing Putin's Russia generally is, but Ukraine as a specific area of gpc is much lower for US bloc than for Russia. 2. not effective ones! 3. ?? 4. Yes. It keeps Ukraine in russia's sphere wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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piL posted:Are you referring to the Biden Putin call on Friday or something else? White House National Security Advisor @JakeSullivan46 tells his Russian counterpart that the U.S. is ready to engage in diplomacy. He added that "progress can only occur in an environment of de-escalation rather than escalation https://liveuamap.com/pics/2021/12/20/22362366_0.jpg "" State Department has raised the warning level for Ukrainian travel to level 4. "Reports that Russia is planning for significant military action against Ukraine. Conditions are unpredictable and could deteriorate with little notice" "" WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:
truly i chose an optimal time to go visit
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:
this isn't new. It has been level 4 with 70% of the world for weeks if not months
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From last month https://ua.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-embassy-kyiv-ukraine-4/ quote:The Travel Advisory for Ukraine remains at Level 4 – Do Not Travel in Crimea due to abuses by Russian occupation authorities, in the eastern parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts due to armed conflict, and for all of Ukraine due to COVID-19.
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they reduced it to three so they could bump it back up to four with a different explanation than the previous four seriously a friend messaged me about it and i was like "wait is that news? literally everywhere has been l4 do not travel because covid since 2020", despite the lolworthy implication that anywhere else is worse than the US wrt pandemic status Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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I mean they still say "reconsider" (lvl 3) due to the conflict, and do not (lvl4) due to COVID. no indication that it was bumped down on the archive, but if you were watching this for travel reasons I trust you here
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https://mobile.twitter.com/annaholligan/status/1472864981846831108 Hopefully the commander-in-chef of these monkeys with a grenade gets some kind of comeuppance
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Hungary has decided to finally join EU vaccine procurement. How peculiar.  https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-joins-eu-third-vaccine-procurement-scheme-omicron-variant/ Edit: In more Hungary news, they’re also refusing to comply with ECJ ruling against their immigration law. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-us-mercenaries-plan-chemical-attack-ukraine/quote:Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu claimed Tuesday that U.S. mercenaries were preparing Ukrainian special forces and radical armed groups for “active hostilities” in eastern Ukraine, and had delivered “an unidentified chemical component” to the region “to commit provocations.” Putin did also do his own bit today, about euphoric triumph march of NATO, which read like a generic Vasukhani post about the natural force of Russia. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:which read like a generic Vasukhani post about the natural force of Russia.  Here's hoping ol' Vlad trips down the stairs sometime soon.
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I'm conflicted, because on the one hand I'm down to defend a plucky nation state against an invading empire that used to rule it, but I'm also aware I'm not the one signed up for the dying.
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Yeah I watched that and the old botoxed gently caress delivering that to equally old, fat uniformed military farts didn't feel theatrical enough for my comfort. They believe they're in a clash of civilizations and crap like bad infrastructure, COVID and poverty are for rubes who aren't thinking about God and eternity The more knowledgeable Russia-explainers are starting to sound increasingly nervous https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1473362460673515527
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You remember what the Spanish flu did to armies in 1919? Troops in the field and omicron are going to be ugly.
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Rust Martialis posted:You remember what the Spanish flu did to armies in 1919? Troops in the field and omicron are going to be ugly. Troops get vaccines.
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How is Sputnik against Omicron? The ladz might be in for a slightly more than usually miserable war, not that it'd change anything about the outcome. e: yeah no deaths, just bumping along in a BTR in the cold with no sleep while ALSO running a fever miserable. e: saw a headline in the German news today wondering about how many Ukrainian refugees there's gonna be and where they'll go aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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aphid_licker posted:How is Sputnik against Omicron? The ladz might be in for a slightly more than usually miserable war, not that it'd change anything about the outcome. No quality information is available on the subject so far. There’s one study on 11 Argentinian medical workers vaccinated with Sputnik, but that’s not something I’d recommend to judge the shot on.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-us-mercenaries-plan-chemical-attack-ukraine/ I see the chickens are plotting provocations against the fox again. Not leaving it much choice now. Da, makes sense. Puts together in head. Da.
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GABA ghoul posted:I see the hens are plotting provocations against the fox again. Not leaving it much choice now. Da, makes sense. Puts together in head. Da. The false flag won't happen now that the enemy knows Russia knows. Which only confirms that Russia's intelligence was correct.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-us-mercenaries-plan-chemical-attack-ukraine/ at some point these stories will escalate to dastardly western mercenaries launching nuclear tipped mirvs at themselves from neo-soviet silos as part of the ultimate false flag
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This guy is DC blob incarnate, but he lays out a pretty extensive and interesting case for impending invasion of Ukraine: https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1473362460673515527 What I still don't understand and what no one who is sounding the alarm for war seems to know is what the goal of invasion would be, and what consequences it would entail. Take everything to the Dneiper or just the Donbas? Annex it? Put up a puppet government? What about insurgency? Nothing about it seems worthwhile to Russia. I still think there's a chance this a very intense bluff.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:This guy is DC blob incarnate, but he lays out a pretty extensive and interesting case for impending invasion of Ukraine: Because they don't actually know about the inner details of the conflicts they see this as a battle between US and Russia. Russia sees this as a quelling and re-annexation of a seperatist coalition of oblasts . What are the goals? 1. To reintegrate lost terrify and prevent further NATO encorision. 2. To restore a multipolar world or the idea that one can exist post cold war. 3. To Break the shroud of invulnerability that NATO has had since the breakup of the USSR. 4. To prove that the world can stand up to America without being immediately quashed or overthrown Even achieving two of the four goals is a major victory for Russia. However I believe Putin didn't pay attention to the goals he outlined quite well enough as one of them would have installed him as basically king of NATO, which is definitely not going to be agreed upon. So most likely he's come to the bargaining table clutching all the chips and giving up none.
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Pretty hosed up of the US to supply chemical weapons to paramilitaries imo Is that a war crime the UN can investigate
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VitalSigns posted:Pretty hosed up of the US to supply chemical weapons to paramilitaries imo Lmao what the gently caress. We just need to drop bomb casings with wood alcohol marked as 250₽ aftershave or hair tonic and we won't have to worry about the Russian army. So what happened, did Hunter Biden tell someone in the US to send that gas and the Russians are taking it as we're readying sarin gas delivers from our bunkers in the saar? https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/11/29/russian-tanks-massing-near-ukraine-sport-mods-against-drones-javelin-missiles/ WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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Why do I still think this won't be anything more major than a serious Donbass engagement to annex the region into Russia proper and achieve little else? Realistically, what does the average Western European or US citizen have to fear from a Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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Grouchio posted:Why do I still think this won't be anything more major than a serious Donbass engagement to annex the region into Russia proper and achieve little else? Why would Russia want to do that? They would rather Donetsk be reintegrated so it can be a spoiler in elections or keep it frozen to assure no EU or NATO ascension. Just annexing land isn't the goal here
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Grouchio posted:Why do I still think this won't be anything more major than a serious Donbass engagement to annex the region into Russia proper and achieve little else? I mean no war in Europe is kind of a big deal there CIA intern in training. Especially with it signalling the end of the long peace. I think it's a fault of many of you to look at this conflict as solely a material gain for the Russian federation. It is not, it is a mixture of some physical gains, and much more of a reputation gain. It restores the ability for the Russian federation to project its power which it has not be able to do other than small border conflicts like donutsk and Georgia. What we need to understand here is that Putin's probably not going to be alive for another 30 plus years, however if he can set in motion a restoration of the Russian empire there is a possibility that it will continue long after him. War in Europe signifies a power play by one of the winners of the second world war that cannot be undone easily. So Putin has two ideas floating in his head, the first idea is that the Western Europe is what caused the Russians to be destroyed. The second is that Russia can and will return itself to its former glory. His upbringing in the Soviet Union most likely gives him attendance to the latter. Breaking the European alliance which completely surrounds Russia is Paramount to a developing Russia. As it opens up opportunities close to home, in terms of Russian investment. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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A major military conflict breaking the Minsk agreements and annexation of sovereign territory is not important unless it personally affects US citizens?quote:. What are the goals? You gotta take into account the internal aspect in that his support is bad and he remembers the euphoria of 2014. There's nothing else on the table he's willing to do for russians for popular support, he's cutting the social budget and increasing the military budget
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https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-mass-burials-regulations/31619324.html MOSCOW -- Russian authorities have published new regulations on the expedited mass burial of humans and animals who die as a result of military conflicts or noncombatant emergencies.
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Vasukhani posted:https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-mass-burials-regulations/31619324.html Well that's alarming.
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Grouchio posted:Realistically, what does the average Western European or US citizen have to fear from a Russian invasion of Ukraine? Two major geopolitical points for the 21st century: 1) Wars of territorial conquest and annexation are back on the menu. 2) You gotta have nukes, and never give them up, to be safe.
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