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Srice posted:The problem I have with it is, by making it opt-in no matter how good a job they do with getting the word out there, there'll still be people that would make use of a free test but either aren't aware of it or don't want to take the time to fill out information on a website. And all the Phishing freegovernemntcovidtest.com "get your free COVID Tests! Just enter your address and SSN and we will ship it to your door!" sites that will pop up now. EDIT: Tax of someone else's dogs having a party. 
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VitalSigns posted:But then he blamed inflation on the child tax credit You've said this multiple times today so I just wanted to point out that it's kind of a dubious contention; hell it wasn't even easy to Google and find the statement you were basing this on. It was one article in the New York Post, a right wing media apparatus. Basically no other outlet framed what he said that way, probably because it's a stretch. Biden concedes his COVID stimulus checks fueled spike in inflation NY Post posted:“The irony is people have more money now because of the first major piece of legislation I passed. You all got checks for $1,400. You got checks for a whole range of things,” Biden said during a speech in Baltimore. It's basically five parts a dry, accurate explanation of what is causing inflation, one part gaffe. I mean I know you think it's fair to characterize that as an on-the-record statement from Joe Biden that inflation is all his fault because he listened to the loony left, and he'll never make that gosh darn mistake again, but I just figured maybe not everybody would see it the same way.
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Establishment dems are very much true believers and will fall on their swords for the debt ceiling, the deficit and whatnot. All through 2010-2018 there were sitting congresspeople banging that drum even as they lost their own seats. But they are only too happy to speed-pass a bill funding treating spooks for imaginary diseases like Havana Syndrome. Go figure.
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Vasukhani posted:seems very fake Outing yourself as very much not a healthcare worker. I've been an ICU nurse for 10 years and have witnessed unimaginable amounts of death over the past 2 years from covid. This story is absolutely credible. I regularly field phone calls/requests from people demanding high dose IV vitamin C, HCQ, Ivermectin, etc. These people are stupid, angry, and aggressive in person -- and numerous. Stories similar to this occur on a regular basis, and that's just from my own personal experience. It's not unheard of for healthcare workers to be assaulted by family members in this environment.
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Praxis Prion posted:Outing yourself as very much not a healthcare worker. I've been an ICU nurse for 10 years and have witnessed unimaginable amounts of death over the past 2 years from covid. This story is absolutely credible. I regularly field phone calls/requests from people demanding high dose IV vitamin C, HCQ, Ivermectin, etc. These people are stupid, angry, and aggressive in person -- and numerous. Stories similar to this occur on a regular basis, and that's just from my own personal experience. It's not unheard of for healthcare workers to be assaulted by family members in this environment. buddy of mine is a hospital pharmacist in the south and lol @ the amount of hcq and ivermectin doctors were actually ordering dispensed for people. It's all so loving bleak. Everyone patient-facing already seemed on the verge of quitting a year ago and things have only gotten far more insane since then. Everyone I know in any kind of healthcare job that deals with covid has either jumped ship or is making plans to either get out of healthcare or, at minimum, out of anything that involves dealing with covid cases also that is one deeply horrified lol if that wasn't clear Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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Mellow Seas posted:You've said this multiple times today so I just wanted to point out that it's kind of a dubious contention; hell it wasn't even easy to Google and find the statement you were basing this on. It was one article in the New York Post, a right wing media apparatus. Basically no other outlet framed what he said that way, probably because it's a stretch. quote:“The irony is people have more money now because of the first major piece of legislation I passed. You all got checks for $1,400. You got checks for a whole range of things,” Biden said during a speech in Baltimore. I thought they were $2000 dollar checks. I guess Biden is glad they weren't, seems like he thinks that would have made things worse. GreyjoyBastard posted:while it does add a layer of effort, making it on-request is probably smart Haha yeah what America needs is another layer of effort on the part of everyday Americans to fight covid, very smart. The government knows where people live just send that poo poo out goddamn. Should have been doing it in January.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1473410562147168258 "Dear Lucy, please tell me what it would take for you to not pull the football away this time. I am a loving idiot and will believe you."
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1473410562147168258 Jayapal isn't terrible at congressional maneuvering, I like her. the_steve posted:"Dear Lucy, please tell me what it would take for you to not pull the football away this time. I am a loving idiot and will believe you." given that the alternative is shouting "gently caress you joe manchin" and officially consigning the bill to davy jones' locker it seems fine to me
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Mellow Seas posted:You've said this multiple times today so I just wanted to point out that it's kind of a dubious contention; hell it wasn't even easy to Google and find the statement you were basing this on. It was one article in the New York Post, a right wing media apparatus. Basically no other outlet framed what he said that way, probably because it's a stretch. I linked the whitehouse dot gov transcript of his speech the first time I brought it up, it's not from the Post, it's on the administration's website. It's what he said, the loving NY Post did not hack his website and put a fake speech on there and then deepfake the video of him reading it, he said that. It was not a 'gaffe', it was a prepared speech of words he meant to say on purpose. It was not accurate economic information, it was a lie that contradicted his own fed chairman
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Srice posted:The problem I have with it is, by making it opt-in no matter how good a job they do with getting the word out there, there'll still be people that would make use of a free test but either aren't aware of it or don't want to take the time to fill out information on a website. The "aren't aware of it" is definitely an issue they need to have a good marketing team and budget for. On the plus side, the process of signing up for the $2000 stimulus was approximately as involved for the people who had to opt in (due to not filing taxes or income changes or whatever) as I expect this to be, and that had REALLY good coverage. On balance I suspect this will do alright. Push El Burrito posted:I'm not worried about money waste but supply waste. If you have people who need more of them but can't get them because the family that punched the doctor has dumpstered 5 of them it would suck. That first paragraph is a much better version of what I failed to articulate.
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I'll also note that the feds do not in fact necessarily know where everyone lives, otherwise my Census enumerator work would have been a lot shorter.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Jayapal isn't terrible at congressional maneuvering, I like her. 
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CPC: "We will give you what you want if you come clean about your demands" Joe Manchin: "gently caress you" America: "Why are these socialists so unreasonable?!"
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GreyjoyBastard posted:given that the alternative is shouting "gently caress you joe manchin" and officially consigning the bill to davy jones' locker it seems fine to me Reaching out to him is absolutely doing this. Remember that time way back in 24 hours ago when he went mask off and revealed pretty decisively that he never had any intention of letting the bill go through Like asking him to specify is just once again letting him cut poo poo and then he'll have more "issues" which lead to more cuts and etc
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VitalSigns posted:I linked the whitehouse dot gov transcript of his speech the first time I brought it up, it's not from the Post, it's on the administration's website. It's what he said, the loving NY Post did not hack his website and put a fake speech on there and then deepfake the video of him reading it, he said that. The actual speech is clearly not saying that and is saying the supply chain is the reason. quote:On the one hand, we’re facing new disruptions to our supplies. At the same time, we’re also experiencing higher demand for goods because wages are up as well as people have money in the bank. And because of the strength of our economic recovery, American families have been able to buy more products.
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Yinlock posted:Reaching out to him is absolutely doing this. Remember that time way back in 24 hours ago when he went mask off and revealed pretty decisively that he never had any intention of letting the bill go through I mean, "time to give up and work on other bills" would also be a reasonable response, but if Jayapal isn't ready to do that that's her prerogative and I generally trust her to be at least minimally competent. especially when she may have a little more information about
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'll also note that the feds do not in fact necessarily know where everyone lives, otherwise my Census enumerator work would have been a lot shorter. i will forever get a kick out of your working on the census somehow making it through the goon grapevine into 'greyjoy worked for biden'
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The actual speech is clearly not saying that and is saying the supply chain is the reason. Why did you cut out the this part of the speech? quote:And the irony is: People have more money now because of the first major piece of legislation I passed. You all got checks for $1,400. You got checks for a whole range of things. If you’re a mom and you have kids under the age of 7, you’re getting 300 bucks a month, and if it’s over — over 7 to 17, you’re getting $360 a month — like wealthy people used to when they’d get back tax returns. It changes people’s lives. Is there some reason you felt like you had to conceal that to make your argument work?
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Makes sense that she'd push for this against all odds; besides Biden, Jayapal looks like the biggest rube in all this for going along with the decoupled plan. The CPC already has a reputation for being easily bullied, and Manchin's not helping with that. I only hope she doesnt do something embarassing like introduce a further stripped-down BBB, cajole the caucus into voting for it, and still watch Manchin kill it. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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VitalSigns posted:Why did you cut out the this part of the speech? That is literally quoted two posts above your original post and AGAIN 4 posts above that. The speech is clearly about the supply chain. It literally says "the supply chain is the problem." I know you're smart enough to read that and that is why you didn't even respond and just tried to pivot away. I hope you are just being defensive because you didn't realize and aren't intentionally playing dumb. There are so many real things to criticize Biden about that it is bonkers to pretend you can't read to get mad at something fake.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i will forever get a kick out of your working on the census somehow making it through the goon grapevine into 'greyjoy worked for biden' technically that means I worked for Trump  The census bureau went waaaaay out of its way to resist the Trump admin's attempts to sabotage it. I'm very proud of them even though I was just a random door knocking grunt.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:technically that means I worked for Trump give it six months and goon grapevine will turn this into greyjoy is stephen miller
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Herstory Begins Now posted:give it six months and goon grapevine will turn this into greyjoy is stephen miller GJB is Biden, pass it on.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:The "aren't aware of it" is definitely an issue they need to have a good marketing team and budget for. On the plus side, the process of signing up for the $2000 stimulus was approximately as involved for the people who had to opt in (due to not filing taxes or income changes or whatever) as I expect this to be, and that had REALLY good coverage. On balance I suspect this will do alright. What $2000 stimulus?  The website for the CTC, on the other hand, was a clusterfuck (didn't work on mobile, eg), even months after it debuted. Hope it's going better now than it was July-October. eta: Oh wait; I guess we don't need the website anymore.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Jayapal isn't terrible at congressional maneuvering, I like her.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Are we deliberately ignoring when she caved on the BIF? I'm sure if we just kiss Manchin's rear end and try to appease him even more then he'll actually vote yes this time. It hasn't worked any of the other 400 times they've tried, but I've got a good feeling about this one
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Cow Bell posted:Should've shot 'em, amirite folks? It's pretty much failed state poo poo for the security forces on site to have been unable to capture or incapacitate all of them during the incident, yes.
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Willa Rogers posted:What $2000 stimulus? the obvious conclusion is to put the IRS in charge of all service-providing government websites then
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the_steve posted:GJB is Biden, pass it on. gjb is hunter biden?? that explains a lot, especially all those weird cigarette smoking dead-eyed selfies he was sending me
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Cow Bell posted:Should've shot 'em, amirite folks? I'm not going to celebrate a selective restraint that would have gunned down dozens if not hundreds of protesters if they had been fighting for basic human rights instead of trying to violently overturn a mostly free and fair election (the degree to which it was not fair favoring their side).
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Wang Commander posted:It's pretty much failed state poo poo for the security forces on site to have been unable to capture or incapacitate all of them during the incident, yes.
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The government takes the 1/6 attack on our democracy very seriously. https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1473014449426501638 No, Congress will not be in session.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They still haven't found the pipe bomber and we're coming up on a year That guy's a troubling odd man out even among the scary militia fuckers who were prepared for serious violence. He knew exactly where the cameras were and how to dress without incurring excess suspicion. I don't much like the idea that even a tiny subset of the fash are that competent.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:That guy's a troubling odd man out even among the scary militia fuckers who were prepared for serious violence. He knew exactly where the cameras were and how to dress without incurring excess suspicion. I don't much like the idea that even a tiny subset of the fash are that competent. A certain subset of motivated idiots are going to be successful.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They still haven't found the pipe bomber and we're coming up on a year That's just Marjorie Taylor Greene btw
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That is literally quoted two posts above your original post and AGAIN 4 posts above that. He pretty clearly also says it's creating a problem that people got direct payments because they're sitting at home ordering Amazon and it's too much money chasing too few goods. (Which is not even true) The fact that he also says supply shortages are contributing does not mean that he didn't say that the payments are creating a problem. That's been his consistent ideology for his whole career: that giving people government money is a bad thing and it's his job to make people take their medicine and get them off the government teat. It's why he has spent decades trying to cut social security, why his goal for student loans is to get people back in repayment as soon as possible before they get too comfortable. Yeah the marketing campaign in 2020 was crafted to make us forget all that or believe an 80 year old man changed all his principles overnight, but to me what he says and does make it clear he's the same as he always was VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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