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Oh absolutely Oprah.
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Dec 22, 2021 22:40
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FlamingLiberal posted:DFL are Democrats Yeah I think it's just the name for the state party? Like how the Green Party in WV (shoutout to Eastern Panhandle Conservation District Supervisor for Jefferson County Danny Lutz and Southern Conservation District Supervisor for Summers County John W. Farrell) is named the
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Dec 22, 2021 22:43
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Everything Ted Cruz has done for the past six years has prepared him for this moment. https://twitter.com/mollyjongfast/status/1473772310112862208?s=21
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Dec 22, 2021 22:51
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FizFashizzle posted:Everything Ted Cruz has done for the past six years has prepared him for this moment. Too bad Nobody likes Ted Cruz. Renegade cut did a solid workup on his loving stupid loving life.
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Dec 22, 2021 22:56
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Senate doesn't recognize partisan affiliation in any official way. He could switch to the "gently caress Everyone, Except Joe Manchin Party" and if he voted for the same organizing resolution and Majority Leader, then it makes no difference at all. He’d lose his energy committee post.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:00
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FizFashizzle posted:Everything Ted Cruz has done for the past six years has prepared him for this moment. lmao, Cruz has so thoroughly poisoned his own reputation that he would probably lose Texas in a national bid.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:03
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VideoGameVet posted:He’d lose his energy committee post. Just changing his party affiliation wouldn't do that if he still caucuses with the Democrats. Bernie is the chairman of the budget committee. Your actual partisan identification doesn't mean anything officially.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:07
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All any primary opponent needs to do to Cruz is ask him why he's gone to the mat for the last several years for the guy who publicly called his wife ugly. Double bonus points if it's Trump himself asking.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:15
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Cruz doesnt have the comedic wit that Trump has. I honestly cant imagine anyone over-35 on the current bench galvanizing the right like Trump. They need to find someone as catty and funny as him for 2028.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:15
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Willa Rogers posted:Obama didn't "get played"; he did exactly what he was told to do, which was to take care of capital's needs & to hell with everyone else. Some of the capitalists seemed pretty surprised when he immediately prostrated before the altar of the almighty Number, so I think he was also just doing it out of a pure love of the grift e: Cruz almost made it back in 2016, until a fat bigot con man waddled up and stole his master plan out of nowhere. He burnt a lot of bridges to get there so now he's just kinda left drifting
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Dec 22, 2021 23:15
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https://twitter.com/business/status/1473777635624902673 Hikikomori finally kicking off in the Ol' US of A
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Dec 22, 2021 23:17
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/business/status/1473777635624902673 NEET!
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Dec 22, 2021 23:23
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just changing his party affiliation wouldn't do that if he still caucuses with the Democrats. Bernie is the chairman of the budget committee. While technically correct the party does handle appointments to committees and if they didn't strip Manchin after he joined the "gently caress Everyone, Except Joe Manchin Party" than they're doing a real bad job as a party.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:24
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Yinlock posted:Some of the capitalists seemed pretty surprised when he immediately prostrated before the altar of the almighty Number, so I think he was also just doing it out of a pure love of the grift I sorta laugh-cry at the innocence of the one amazing post about "Ted Cruz is a mess, a waste, he got so close to the brass ring and Trump snatched it away." or something like that.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:26
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Ted Cruz does have a very good chance the Republican nomination, because, although people here are often too focused on Democrats to notice, Republicans and their voters are loving awful and love terrible, terrible things. He DID finish second in 2016, well ahead of the non-Trump field, and frankly that does make him a frontrunner for 2024. Do a lot of people in the party dislike him? Sure. But a lot of people in their respective parties disliked Mitt Romney, Donald Trump, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:29
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Neurolimal posted:Cruz doesnt have the comedic wit that Trump has. I honestly cant imagine anyone over-35 on the current bench galvanizing the right like Trump. They need to find someone as catty and funny as him for 2028. Franken wrote in one of his books that he liked Cruz more than many of his colleagues, because he seemed to have a sense of humor and could be self deprecating. Of course, he still found him a loathsome human being.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:30
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Re: Ted Cruz nomination https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u77J0hI1mPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJAwRTTRdKE
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Dec 22, 2021 23:30
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Mellow Seas posted:Ted Cruz does have a very good chance the Republican nomination, because, although people here are often too focused on Democrats to notice, Republicans and their voters are loving awful and love terrible, terrible things. Trump is the nominee in '24 if he doesn't backdoor in via Speaker, period.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:30
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Mellow Seas posted:Ted Cruz does have a very good chance the Republican nomination, because, although people here are often too focused on Democrats to notice, Republicans and their voters are loving awful and love terrible, terrible things. This is like arguing Republicans love eating garbage from the floor because you hate it. Cruz's entire brand was an outsider and Trump ruined that for him. He only kind of checked the boxes for the voters considering how well Trump took over the party and now it's a Trump party.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:35
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Mellow Seas posted:Ted Cruz does have a very good chance the Republican nomination, because, although people here are often too focused on Democrats to notice, Republicans and their voters are loving awful and love terrible, terrible things. Unlike the noble Democrats, who nominated a longtime segregationist, austerity- and prison-lover, advocate of the Hyde Amendment & rapist to carry the party's banner into the presidency. 
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Dec 22, 2021 23:36
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I'm trying to imagine how Republicans would spin a Canadian-born (almost forgot to renounce his citizenship whoopsee), Princeton and Harvard-educated Texan candidate if he were a Democrat.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:41
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Gumball Gumption posted:While technically correct the party does handle appointments to committees and if they didn't strip Manchin after he joined the "gently caress Everyone, Except Joe Manchin Party" than they're doing a real bad job as a party. They're already doing a real bad job as a party.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:42
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Republicans & Democrats will always have a core base that will vote for their nominee no matter what, and Cruz wouldn't change that. I dont think he exhibits any of the qualities of depressive pathos, big strongman, or class clown qualities that brings younger republicans to the booths, though. We have 6 years to theorycraft this, but if Cruz is their 2028 nominee I think his success (as far as the candidate vs material conditions in that year) would entirely depend on either the expansion of Vote By Mail (which lowers the barrier of entry for voting, which makes voters more likely to go vote even if they dont like the candidate at all), or many comedy nights (he's too pampered to have that Jordan Peterson pathetic-energy, and nobody will ever buy Cruz as a strongman).
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Dec 22, 2021 23:43
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Gumball Gumption posted:This is like arguing Republicans love eating garbage from the floor because you hate it. What? No. It’s like saying Republicans like eating garbage off the floor because in 2016, 25.1% of them, in a series of organized votes across America, said, “give me that loving kitchen floor garbage, please”, while 44.9% said “give me the garbage that was on the floor of the bathroom, instead.” Willa Rogers posted:Unlike the noble Democrats, who nominated a longtime segregationist, austerity- and prison-lover, advocate of the Hyde Amendment & rapist to carry the party's banner into the presidency. lmao I've never had a point proven harder, thanks Willa!
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Dec 22, 2021 23:43
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FizFashizzle posted:Everything Ted Cruz has done for the past six years has prepared him for this moment. "There are two types of people in the world: people who hate Ted Cruz... and Ted Cruz."
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Dec 22, 2021 23:59
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nine-gear crow posted:"There are two types of people in the world: people who hate Ted Cruz... and Ted Cruz." And if you look at that picture of him phone banking for Trump you start to wonder if maybe there's some overlap there
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Dec 23, 2021 00:01
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"Cruz could be the nominee" and "Republicans will vote for Cruz if he's the nominee" are 2 separate things. The latter is basically guaranteed -- there's just that separate question of how many undecideds.
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Dec 23, 2021 00:01
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The 2024 GOP nominee will be Mike Lindell
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Dec 23, 2021 00:15
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Gumball Gumption posted:Cruz's entire brand was an outsider and Trump ruined that for him. He only kind of checked the boxes for the voters considering how well Trump took over the party and now it's a Trump party. Some conservative I used to work with started calling Cruz a RINO when he made some noises about opposing Trump years ago. And this was in Texas, with someone that actually knew who Cruz was! Even Texas Republicans dislike Ted Cruz.
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Dec 23, 2021 00:21
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Trazz posted:The 2024 GOP nominee will be Mike Lindell
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Yeah, I’d say Cruz’s chances aren’t very good in 2024, and are worse than they were in 2016 (and of course, it’s all moot if Trump runs). 25% is not a great showing for second place in a primary, and he hasn’t had a very good six years since then, while the party has changed in ways that are not really to his benefit. He has a chance in a crowded field, though, and Republicans will rally around him if he wins the nomination, and worship him as a God if he becomes President. (I wonder - if Trump doesn’t enter the 2024 primary, that has to create a weird loving dynamic, doesn’t it? Half the party will be clamoring that $Leading_Candidate sucks and we need Trump right now, come save us Trump. Can the GOP go through that without tearing itself apart? Can Trump receive that much attention and adulation without caving and entering the race?)
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Dec 23, 2021 00:36
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FlamingLiberal posted:If it’s not Trump, it will be someone like Lindell I think Trump is currently in the position he wants to be in; with all of the power and none of the responsibility. I don't think he's going to risk running for office again, because he no longer needs to. Lindell, on the other hand, is an actual true-believer lunatic and will definitely run for office to "carry on Trump's legacy" or whatever
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Dec 23, 2021 00:41
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Mellow Seas posted:What? No. It’s like saying Republicans like eating garbage off the floor because in 2016, 25.1% of them, in a series of organized votes across America, said, “give me that loving kitchen floor garbage, please”, while 44.9% said “give me the garbage that was on the floor of the bathroom, instead.” My point is that you're making a prediction without it really taking anything into account or showing an understanding of the Republicans and who they are and why they vote beyond them liking things you don't like. Like, by the logic of numbers you could of argued Bernie would be the presumptive front runner in 2020 and well that didn't happen and it was laughable to suggest it if you understood the Democratic party and what they want. Former vice-presidents do well and also we all know Mike Pence wouldn't have a chance in hell because of what motivates Republicans after Trump.
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Dec 23, 2021 00:54
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Trazz posted:I think Trump is currently in the position he wants to be in; with all of the power and none of the responsibility. I don't think he's going to risk running for office again, because he no longer needs to. Trump would very much like 4 more years of immunity from prosecution
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Dec 23, 2021 01:05
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haveblue posted:Trump would very much like 4 more years of immunity from prosecution The entire GOP is working tirelessly to shield Trump from consequences even when he's not president
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Dec 23, 2021 01:12
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Trazz posted:The entire GOP is working tirelessly to shield Trump from consequences even when he's not president
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Dec 23, 2021 01:18
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Trazz posted:The entire GOP is working tirelessly to shield Trump from consequences even when he's not president Neither party is particularly interested in "president facing any kind of actual consequences" having a legal precedent bird food bathtub posted:I sorta laugh-cry at the innocence of the one amazing post about "Ted Cruz is a mess, a waste, he got so close to the brass ring and Trump snatched it away." or something like that. Cruz had to work his whole life to set the stage for the world's most unlikable president, but forgot to specify which unlikable president. Rookie mistake.
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Dec 23, 2021 01:26
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes someone posted that they are literally defunding Congressional race funds to pay his legal bills Makes sense Trump is the GOP now, and the GOP is Trump, the GOP's #1 priority is to protect Trump because the entire conservative worldview is now inextricably linked to him If Trump goes down, then the typical American conservative might have to admit that he was wrong to have supported Trump in the first place, so the GOP will do everything they can do prevent that from happening
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Ted Cruz is absolutely a contender in a Trump-less field. DeSantis might have the edge on him since he has less time in the national spotlight for embarrassing scandals like "flies to Cancun when his state's electrical grid collapses" to manifest, but Cruz could definitely win some states. Obviously, if Donald wants it, everyone will clear out or be cleared out, but I don't think there's any "Trump legacy" candidates that can win. His kids have all faded out of the spotlight, Gaetz has all the pedo stuff, MTG is a woman which is still a major disadvantage on that side of the aisle, Lindell doesn't have the celebrity cred or the support network Trump did. I just don't see anyone like that emerging.
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