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Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
I'm familiar with the Omaha labor market. They can probably get scabs to do the unskilled labor, but it will be nearly impossible for them to get skilled mechanics and maintenance workers unless they pay serious gently caress you money. Also, the unskilled scabs won't give a poo poo and will probably be about half as productive as the union workers they're replacing.

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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
a triple dose of good union news today:

https://twitter.com/wirecutterunion/status/1470760931646922752

https://twitter.com/PolProseUnion/status/1470784666689024015

and the starbucks unionization spreads: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/14/business/starbucks-boston-union.html

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
Portland area goons, go support the QFC/Fred Meyer strike starting tomorrow! https://katu.com/news/local/fred-meyer-qfc-workers-ready-to-go-on-strike-friday

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
striking got them a deal in *one day* lmao. https://ktvz.com/news/business/2021/12/17/fred-meyer-union-grocery-workers-begin-week-long-walkout-allege-unfair-labor-practices/

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


loving incredible

Tom Smykowski
Jan 27, 2005

What the hell is wrong with you people?
:hellyeah:

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1472266686921388038?s=20

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

https://youtu.be/cm9HvDT7BSE

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
Kellogg strike over!

https://twitter.com/maximillian_alv/status/1473319445389053967

https://twitter.com/jamieson/status/1473327243711680521

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

Happy for what they won but it's still pretty disappointing to see that the two-tier system is preserved in a lot of ways. Hopefully with this W under their belt they can come back to it sometime in the future.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


it FEELS like a lot of striking workers have been settling early, to me

i mean it's hard going without pay, of course. tough all around

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

it FEELS like a lot of striking workers have been settling early, to me

i mean it's hard going without pay, of course. tough all around

umwa has been on strike for like 9 months now, can't imagine what that has been like for the workers

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

it FEELS like a lot of striking workers have been settling early, to me

i mean it's hard going without pay, of course. tough all around

it’s going to require some long-term planning where unions build up robust strike funds, which in the short term means higher dues. tough to justify a strike fund when people don’t have a ~lived experience~ of striking benefiting them.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


yeah i hear you

lots of locals don't have strike funds, for various reasons. not always monetary

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

kingcobweb posted:

it’s going to require some long-term planning where unions build up robust strike funds, which in the short term means higher dues. tough to justify a strike fund when people don’t have a ~lived experience~ of striking benefiting them.

the teamsters election seems like a real positive step in this direction, openly planning how to defeat two tier a year+ from now

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

it FEELS like a lot of striking workers have been settling early, to me

i mean it's hard going without pay, of course. tough all around

without strike experience, banked resources, etc., it's easy to get scared when you're the ones actually out on strike, which makes it tempting to accept when you get a better offer than you originally expected even if it's not as good as you might be able to get with a longer strike. I feel like everybody has kinda internalized that long strikes are a big risk/reward tradeoff and they're scared of the strike collapsing and ending up worse off than they were when they started

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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While, yes, bigger wins are indeed popular I'm just glad that there have been so many strikes and they've been winning as of late. It's getting into the public's mind that strikes can, and often will be won which is a major victory in and of itself.

Also loving LOL: Kellogs ate poo poo in the public eye.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Alkydere posted:

While, yes, bigger wins are indeed popular I'm just glad that there have been so many strikes and they've been winning as of late. It's getting into the public's mind that strikes can, and often will be won which is a major victory in and of itself.

Also loving LOL: Kellogs ate poo poo in the public eye.

Yes, absolutely this. A win is a win, of course you can say a bigger win would be better but after decades of losing, organized labour getting a high-profile winning streak is huge.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


I agree, you’re right.

I have a bit of a tendency always push for more more more, and I sometimes don’t see the victories for what they are

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


there have been recent contract votes that disappointed me, but:
1) winning is hard, and it’s doubly hard after 50+ years of labor movement atrophy. take the W when you can
2) it’s not me striking, it’s not my life and livelihood on the line. the workers are the ones who get to decide, not me. they’re striking for their futures, not to appeal to my abstract sense of justice. they’re the ones who have to eat and pay mortgages and ultimately only their opinion of the contract matters

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
reapplied for my old union job today.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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https://twitter.com/804_local/status/1475830546450333702?s=20

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
firing a barista who just appeared in a pro-union video is preeetty blatant https://twitter.com/RyanDeto/status/1475931003516502023

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
interesting little piece about a decertification effort and a possible management plant: https://billshaner.substack.com/p/something-sketchy-this-way-comes

in personal news, I’m interviewing to be a union organizer in a little over an hour :3:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

kingcobweb posted:

in personal news, I’m interviewing to be a union organizer in a little over an hour :3:

Good luck!

Being a union official is frequently a terrible, thankless job, but it really does make things better for everyone.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
i don't want to get into specifics but if you're a union hiring people and you're not gonna pay a living wage, gfy

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

that sucks, sorry to hear that. do unions have a union in their workplace.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

In Training posted:

that sucks, sorry to hear that. do unions have a union in their workplace.

they do but this one has a nine month probationary period for organizers and some other poo poo that i can't get into without giving away too much about what the union is doing, BUT basically they'd have paid me minimum wage for the first six months or so lol

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



In Training posted:

that sucks, sorry to hear that. do unions have a union in their workplace.

Some have staff unions, but not everywhere. And some unions are, uh...less excited about staff attempting to unionize than others.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
a lot of unions staffs are organized under OPIEU.

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
How much do full time, paid organizers help anyway? The most potent organizing force will always be the workers trying to unionize, and too much involvement from non-locals is a vulnerability that management can exploit. There is a role for administrative support and expert assistance from people like lawyers, accountants, and negotiation experts, but the bulk of the effort needs to be done by the workers themselves.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Konstantin posted:

How much do full time, paid organizers help anyway? The most potent organizing force will always be the workers trying to unionize, and too much involvement from non-locals is a vulnerability that management can exploit. There is a role for administrative support and expert assistance from people like lawyers, accountants, and negotiation experts, but the bulk of the effort needs to be done by the workers themselves.

This is actually a better way to phrase the question I have now. I thought OP meant they were already a union worker, interviewing for an appointed specialist position within the union.

(That said, ya, gently caress starvation wages in this economy.)

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Konstantin posted:

How much do full time, paid organizers help anyway? The most potent organizing force will always be the workers trying to unionize, and too much involvement from non-locals is a vulnerability that management can exploit. There is a role for administrative support and expert assistance from people like lawyers, accountants, and negotiation experts, but the bulk of the effort needs to be done by the workers themselves.

quite a bit- all the stories you see about X workplace organizing, with VERY few exceptions, there are paid organizers behind the scenes doing the legwork. I don’t think a single hospital has organized without paid organizers, at least in many decades

or take Starbucks. sure, all the people that are media-facing are workers at Starbucks, but that’s SEIU money helping them

read mcalevey’s memoir for a view of what organizers do

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

MrYenko posted:

This is actually a better way to phrase the question I have now. I thought OP meant they were already a union worker, interviewing for an appointed specialist position within the union.

(That said, ya, gently caress starvation wages in this economy.)

I’m currently at a non-union company; I previously worked as an organizer in electoral work and want to work as a union organizer full-time

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
my brother in law and my sister are both lifetime organizers/activists and when I was looking for work and trying to do something I was passionate about, he set me up to talk to a guy who he used to work with at SEIU who would be able to get me a posted organizer job.

we talked for fifteen minutes after which he had fully convinced me that I would not want this job. he said if I was younger and didn't have a wife and kids it would be okay but they absolutely destroy organizers because they're all young and idealists that you can just abuse.

the convo entirely hosed me up.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

my brother in law and my sister are both lifetime organizers/activists and when I was looking for work and trying to do something I was passionate about, he set me up to talk to a guy who he used to work with at SEIU who would be able to get me a posted organizer job.

we talked for fifteen minutes after which he had fully convinced me that I would not want this job. he said if I was younger and didn't have a wife and kids it would be okay but they absolutely destroy organizers because they're all young and idealists that you can just abuse.

the convo entirely hosed me up.

yeah, SEIU has that reputation. when I interviewed they were pretty clear about it being a 50+ hr/week job

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
and also like 90% travel

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


organizing will destroy your personal life, and that’s just as one of the main people on an OC/bargaining committee

doing that over and over again??? I have a lot of respect for the organizers at my local, and especially the one we worked with. it’s brutal

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
another W

https://twitter.com/abwhite7/status/1478107165760143364

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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
I’m sure DNC leadership is unbelievably not mad about this

https://mobile.twitter.com/dncstaffunion/status/1478420347607080960

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