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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

The thing about Trump is that he could make higher wages, UHC, unions, and Zero-Covid MAGA projects, and I think his base would go for it.

I don’t think he will, but he really could be Huey Long if he wanted to.

yeah he absolutely could and his base would love it, but when it comes down to it I think he's too lazy to actually follow through because the corporate wing of the party, people like McConnell, would push back and he would give up before they did

e: he could absolutely campaign on it though and leave the democrats completely adrift

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F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

vyelkin posted:

yeah he absolutely could and his base would love it, but when it comes down to it I think he's too lazy to actually follow through because the corporate wing of the party, people like McConnell, would push back and he would give up before they did

reportedly, early in his term when he wanted to replace Obamacare with something Incredible he asked "why not just give everyone medicare" and had to be explained why thats bad or socialism or whatever.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

reportedly, early in his term when he wanted to replace Obamacare with something Incredible he asked "why not just give everyone medicare" and had to be explained why thats bad or socialism or whatever.

His impulses on how to win over the masses were always pretty drat spot on, be that good or evil.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

reportedly, early in his term when he wanted to replace Obamacare with something Incredible he asked "why not just give everyone medicare" and had to be explained why thats bad or socialism or whatever.

lol of course

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

vyelkin posted:

e: he could absolutely campaign on it though and leave the democrats completely adrift

that's exactly what he did in 2016 and it worked! clueless Hilary incapable of parsing anything remotely populist and left stuttering to explain why actually she opposes TPP now, haha that owned

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

reportedly, early in his term when he wanted to replace Obamacare with something Incredible he asked "why not just give everyone medicare" and had to be explained why thats bad or socialism or whatever.

Exactly.

If there was a way to get Crypto-Commies to be the last ones in the room with him, and make sure to praise and flatter him, he could be a world historic figure lol.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Republicans are just as much servants of the bourgeoisie as the Democrats, and usually more aligned with the reactionary faction that thinks Keynes was a crypto communist, so while they can run circles around the Democrats rhetorically and are more ruthless at enforcing their social beliefs they're still never going to actually do any sort of serious economic reform

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
All student loan debt could be forgiven for the cost of 1.5 years of the defense budget

:tipshat:

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
all homelessness in the country could also be dramatically reduced or eliminated for a one-time outlay 1/10th the yearly defense budget

america at its core is a cruel, capricious, deceitful and untrustworthy place of cruel, capricious deceitful and untrustworthy people.

america is not a place of honor

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


ex post facho posted:

All student loan debt could be forgiven for the cost of 1.5 years of the defense budget

:tipshat:

oh yeah and how do you plan to defend this country over that year, huh?!?!!??

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

ex post facho posted:

All student loan debt could be forgiven for the cost of 1.5 years of the defense budget

:tipshat:



mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Best Friends posted:

being huey long is a ton of work. Trump round two will be like Trump round 1: he'll post a lot and sign whatever the R congress manages to put in front of him. the bureaucracy has been on autopilot since Obama.

trump is a stupid dumbass and isn't interested in anything except getting applause in stadiums and having people suck up to him, he doesn't have the vision to pull off some strasserite crap, his base isn't interested in it beyond a statistically insignificant number of online weirdos, and he himself belongs to the creditor billionaire class which has a massive stake in continuing to squeeze blood from the stone and make education, healthcare, housing and anything under the sun massively expensive

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Biden will die soon, or his brain will, so he won't have to worry about that.

no gently caress that. Kamala must never be president.

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Let's go, Brandon.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

oh yeah and how do you plan to defend this country over that year, huh?!?!!??
Loan forgiveness program: You get your debt paid off by being in the military for five years, no matter the size of your debt. The size of your debt just determines how lovely/dangerous those five years are gonna be.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
please don't give the liberals ideas

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
actually that's just kamala's firefighting program in CA lmbo

Wang Commander
Dec 27, 2003

by sebmojo
No one but millennials was dumb enough to take out student loans, Z and X don't give a gently caress

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

ex post facho posted:

actually that's just kamala's firefighting program in CA lmbo

lol this is still better than that, no way you could pay off any student loans on $2-5 a day, plus $1-2 per hour fighting fires.

quote:

The fire-camp program began in 1946, and California continues to rely on more than 1,000 inmates, who are paid $2 to $5 a day in camp and an additional $1 to $2 an hour when they're on a fire line. The program saves California taxpayers about $100 million a year, according to the corrections department.

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I mean, ngl I could really use that student loan forgiveness but I would rather the Democratic party continue doing exactly what they want and utterly hollow themselves out from the inside.

Not like I'm paying that poo poo back anyways, gently caress Joe Biden and all who voted for him

Too Many Birds
Jan 8, 2020


the democrats

Nitevision
Oct 5, 2004

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Trabisnikof posted:

lol this is still better than that, no way you could pay off any student loans on $2-5 a day, plus $1-2 per hour fighting fires.

Wow look at those loving Savings for the taxpayer :bravo:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

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Joe Biden instant loss 2koma

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Imagine stabbing someone but leaving the knife in so they don't bleed out. That's the kind of "relief" we're talking about.

very succinct.

Minecraft Holmes
Oct 21, 2016

Nitevision posted:

Wow look at those loving Savings for the taxpayer :bravo:

Well you see we had to implement the prison slave firefighter program because World War 2 depleted our manpower too much

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Nonsense posted:

no gently caress that. Kamala must never be president.

Maybe last week I would've agreed with you, but now I kind of want to see her give a barred out SotU address.

Payment Day
May 12, 2018

by Hand Knit

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Imagine stabbing someone but leaving the knife in so they don't bleed out. That's the kind of "relief" we're talking about.

People with student loan debt should be stabbed with a knife

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Payment Day posted:

People with student loan debt should be stabbed with a knife

Would solve a lot of my problems if it goes deep enough

Alec Eiffel
Sep 7, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Student loan debt is “good” debt so people should be proud to pay it off.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

ex post facho posted:

all homelessness in the country could also be dramatically reduced or eliminated for a one-time outlay 1/10th the yearly defense budget

america at its core is a cruel, capricious, deceitful and untrustworthy place of cruel, capricious deceitful and untrustworthy people.

america is not a place of honor

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

ex post facho posted:

all homelessness in the country could also be dramatically reduced or eliminated for a one-time outlay 1/10th the yearly defense budget

america at its core is a cruel, capricious, deceitful and untrustworthy place of cruel, capricious deceitful and untrustworthy people.

america is not a place of honor

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

ex post facho posted:

all homelessness in the country could also be dramatically reduced or eliminated for a one-time outlay 1/10th the yearly defense budget

america at its core is a cruel, capricious, deceitful and untrustworthy place of cruel, capricious deceitful and untrustworthy people.

america is not a place of honor

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Frosted Flake posted:

The thing about Trump is that he could make higher wages, UHC, unions, and Zero-Covid MAGA projects, and I think his base would go for it.

I don’t think he will, but he really could be Huey Long if he wanted to.
After the shock wore off, after the 2016 election, there was this ~3 week period where a whole barrel of libs convinced themselves based on little to no evidence that this is the kind of stuff that Trump would do when he got into office.

Including a lot of posters on this very website.

Then his cabinet picks started being released and they were all the worst most vile evil reptile people, basically the skeksis from Dark Crystal and all those libs were like ohhhhhh fuuuuuuck

Teriyaki Hairpiece has issued a correction as of 01:58 on Dec 24, 2021

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
if there was no pushback then trump might very well do some good poo poo on a whim. but that is obviously not the case and trump is a lazy coward.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

if there was no pushback then trump might very well do some good poo poo on a whim. but that is obviously not the case and trump is a lazy coward.
Trump disproves great man theory.

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1474048541911916544
lmao

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
I cannot imagine the planning that went into that singing nurses bit. I can’t imagine the committee where that was imagined. just the lamest most unserious nerds. we’re all going to die.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

reportedly, early in his term when he wanted to replace Obamacare with something Incredible he asked "why not just give everyone medicare" and had to be explained why thats bad or socialism or whatever.

his early take after the Parkland shooting was "we gotta take the guns away" before being talked down behind close doors

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

RealityWarCriminal posted:

his early take after the Parkland shooting was "we gotta take the guns away" before being talked down behind close doors

Loved the quote from him that was like, "in my opinion, you take the guns first, and then you do the due process after. very simple."

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i heard after the economic crash in feb/march 2020, trump suggested seizing the means of production from the capitalist parasites and setting up a new system founded on human dignity, a new shining beacon of humanity and progress led by workers, but mark meadows pooh-pooh'd it

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