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The reason for the CVT only on the upper trims is Subaru thinks that they need to push eyesight at every opportunity and has made no moves to make it work with a manual transmission even though companies like VW have adaptive cruise with manuals and there's no reason at all why lane keeping should be an automatic transmission only feature. So, they either have to price the MT premium option too high for all the safety features they cut out or they have to create a bigger delta between the MT and CVT models which means there would be even less uptake of the CVT.
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Godzilla07 posted:The WRX sells primarily because Subaru people are intensely loyal. The WRX is also the only new car with AWD and a manual transmission that is reasonably affordable (though it certainly seems like most people have compromised on either option to not have to drive a WRX.) WRX/STi still kinda feel like they're in a class of one in addition to the persistent loyalty I think Subaru could almost do whatevs and still sell 'em
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dk2m posted:Isn’t the WRX marketed as upscale over there? Maybe not quite BMW 3 series, but somewhat close. If that’s the case, then it makes more sense to keep the autos around "Not quite BMW 3 series" is a big understatement. A loaded WRX is still cheaper than the barest bones 330i, and 15k less than a no-options 340i. Throw in AWD and some options the difference grows even more. The 3er is in a different league. Even a loaded WRX is a far cry from upscale, granted better than in the past. The only folks cross-shopping a WRX vs. a 3-series would be the short list of people looking for a manual transmission sporty sedan, and now that's not even possible with a non-M 3-series anymore.
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Dec 23, 2021 18:54
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bull3964 posted:The reason for the CVT only on the upper trims is Subaru thinks that they need to push eyesight at every opportunity and has made no moves to make it work with a manual transmission even though companies like VW have adaptive cruise with manuals and there's no reason at all why lane keeping should be an automatic transmission only feature. That would be a pretty big cop out Toyota has those safety features on the $20k 6mt Corolla, and Toyota is their #1 share holder.
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Dec 23, 2021 18:56
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Monkey Fracas posted:WRX/STi still kinda feel like they're in a class of one in addition to the persistent loyalty The only other vehicles with AWD and a manual that you can buy new are the M3 (expensive, crummy manual from all reports I've seen) and the Golf R, which has an interior that is a usability disaster.
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Dec 23, 2021 19:23
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Godzilla07 posted:The WRX sells primarily because Subaru people are intensely loyal. The WRX is also the only new car with AWD and a manual transmission that is reasonably affordable (though it certainly seems like most people have compromised on either option to not have to drive a WRX.) I remember talking to a guy with a WRX, and out of nowhere he gave me a bunch of Subaru swag he just had in his back seat. That WRX was the 4th one he owned, and he got real evasive when I asked what happened to the other 3. Also his current WRX was a CVT.
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Dec 23, 2021 19:25
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no lube so what posted:That would be a pretty big cop out Subaru isn't using Toyota's systems though. They have their own homegrown system using just cameras and it's a big part of their safety identity.
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Dec 23, 2021 19:28
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bull3964 posted:Subaru isn't using Toyota's systems though. They have their own homegrown system using just cameras and it's a big part of their safety identity. Rats, objectively wrong again The more you know 
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Dec 23, 2021 19:43
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bull3964 posted:Subaru isn't using Toyota's systems though. They have their own homegrown system using just cameras and it's a big part of their safety identity. It's a good system too but it's been around for like 12 years now so they're probably never going to make it work with the manual.
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Dec 23, 2021 19:50
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Guinness posted:"Not quite BMW 3 series" is a big understatement. A loaded WRX is still cheaper than the barest bones 330i, and 15k less than a no-options 340i. Throw in AWD and some options the difference grows even more. The 3er is in a different league. Even a loaded WRX is a far cry from upscale, granted better than in the past. This was me when I bought a BMW 335ix. The general shiftiness of Subaru dealers in my area and the fact that the STI was within $5k of a bare bones 6 speed 335i was all I needed to make up my mind. Yeah it wasn’t as hardcore as the STI but that car but the dealers let me drive it and didn’t give me the whole “You already know what you’re getting” bullshit when I asked to test drive one.
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dissss posted:It's a good system too but it's been around for like 12 years now so they're probably never going to make it work with the manual. Yeah, which is why they are doubling down on CVT for premium trims.
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Godzilla07 posted:The WRX sells primarily because Subaru people are intensely loyal. The WRX is also the only new car with AWD and a manual transmission that is reasonably affordable (though it certainly seems like most people have compromised on either option to not have to drive a WRX.) Technically you can get a crosstrek with the 2.0 liter and a manual but from personal experience they do not exist in reality
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Dec 23, 2021 20:32
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Franco Caution posted:gently caress the new WRX. Every single point is a "well actually" from Subaru. The realllly lovely part is that the Levorg STi exists so we have proof that a good looking WRX can exist, along with a long roof model.   Koirhor posted:Technically you can get a crosstrek with the 2.0 liter and a manual but from personal experience they do not exist in reality I would be slapping money down so fast if the Crosstrek was available with a manual and turbo, but Subaru seems adamant on never offering it to the point of CUVing the WRX. The GR Corolla might be our last hope.
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Crosstrek does however borrow some of Toyota's HSD tech for its hybrid though.
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Koirhor posted:Technically you can get a crosstrek with the 2.0 liter and a manual but from personal experience they do not exist in reality I have a 19 Crosstrek manual. Tuned to delete the rev hang and some shifter parts made it a great do everything car while I wait for my Bronco. 
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BrownieVK posted:I have a 19 Crosstrek manual. Tuned to delete the rev hang and some shifter parts made it a great do everything car while I wait for my Bronco. Looks nice. Sparco Terras look so cool on chunky Subarus, I have them on my FXT 
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The existence of the Levorg STi pisses me off so much. As does the existence of the Impreza hatch/wagon. If those didnt exist, Subaru could say "we cant make the WRX or STi in either of those flavors because DEVELOPMENT COSTS. But they both loving exist now. I saw in the Demuro video he said he asked Subaru about the hatch and they said something like "we could either spend all the time and money on making the sedan the greatest thing ever, or if we had made a hatch too then the car would be half as great." gently caress off. Your acting like you had to set up a skunkworks studio and start with clay, a pile of parts, and a dream. Its all there. You just have to put it together. Oh poo poo wait, you already kinda did with the Levorg. The other lovely part is we are in what, year 15 of "man i swear car model ________ from manufacturer _________ is really going to force Subaru to change and make the WRX and STi better. Yep. This one is the one that makes them see the error in their ways"
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Bulk Vanderhuge posted:The realllly lovely part is that the Levorg STi exists so we have proof that a good looking WRX can exist, along with a long roof model. You know what's even better? For 2022 Subaru is killing the Levorg name in Australia (and I'd assume all right-hand markets globally, but it's still the Levorg STI Sport R in Japan, at least for now...) so the Levorg now is the WRX wagon. Never mind just how much better the 2022 WRX wagon, nee Levorg, looks vs the sedan. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-subaru-wrx-sportswagon-photos-details/ https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2022-subaru-levorg-to-morph-into-wrx-wagon EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Bulk Vanderhuge posted:The realllly lovely part is that the Levorg STi exists so we have proof that a good looking WRX can exist, along with a long roof model. The Levorg / WRX wagon STI is a cosmetic package only. There are no performance enhancements at all - and as I found out specing my Levorg, the cosmetics are cheaper to just order than to get the "STi" package. All I'm missing is the red shift lever. EnergizerFellow posted:You know what's even better? For 2022 Subaru is killing the Levorg name in Australia (and I'd assume globally...) so the Levorg now is the WRX wagon. Never mind just how much better the 2022 WRX wagon, nee Levorg, looks vs the sedan. It's basically just admitting the Levorg name was loving weird and the car is genuinely in truth a WRX wagon and it's taken them 4 years to work out seperate nameplates was a dumb idea. quote:The WRX sells primarily because Subaru people are intensely loyal I started to make a count of all the Subarus I've had in the last 20 years and gave up in horror at 27. And I know I missed some.
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Maybe check under your bed or the linen closet
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Subarus are genuinely pretty unique cars to be fair, be interesting to see how well that existing customer loyalty holds up once everything goes EV and they’re just ugly shitboxes with no mechanical uniqueness left
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You Am I posted:Maybe check under your bed or the linen closet Under the bed is Subaru wheels and the linen cupboard Subaru steering columns and pedal assemblies so that now reminded me that the count is 31.
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All this talk about AWD japanese wagons and hatches and blah blah blah but not a single person is trying to make me a new Tercel 4WD. Shameful.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:All this talk about AWD japanese wagons and hatches and blah blah blah but not a single person is trying to make me a new Tercel 4WD. Shameful. Only AWD car with a manual you say? Sounds like a niche Mitsubishi could take over with a new Expo (or Expo LRV). Bubble Japan made the coolest poo poo ever.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:All this talk about AWD japanese wagons and hatches and blah blah blah but not a single person is trying to make me a new Tercel 4WD. Shameful. There's an AWD prius that is that in spirit.
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Powershift posted:There's an AWD prius that is that in spirit. Whoah now, a Prius is way too fast. We need to be thinking slower here.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:All this talk about AWD japanese wagons and hatches and blah blah blah but not a single person is trying to make me a new Tercel 4WD. Shameful. What is the Crosstrek if not the modern Tercel 4WD Wagon? PBCrunch posted:Only AWD car with a manual you say? Sounds like a niche Mitsubishi could take over with a new Expo (or Expo LRV). Bubble Japan made the coolest poo poo ever. Sorry bud, Mitsubishi is the new Daewoo 
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Godzilla07 posted:What is the Crosstrek if not the modern Tercel 4WD Wagon? Also the Yaris Cross and Corolla Cross exist. Dunno about manual tho.
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Powershift posted:There's an AWD prius that is that in spirit. after 2020-2021 i think i want one
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PBCrunch posted:Only AWD car with a manual you say? Why does everyone say this like the Golf R isn't a car that exists?
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PT6A posted:Why does everyone say this like the Golf R isn't a car that exists? Well, I mean, currently it doesn't.
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Wheeee posted:Subarus are genuinely pretty unique cars to be fair, be interesting to see how well that existing customer loyalty holds up once everything goes EV and they’re just ugly shitboxes with no mechanical uniqueness left Since most people don't know much about platform sharing they will go "look at my unique subaru EV" (that's actually just a Toyota).
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bull3964 posted:Well, I mean, currently it doesn't. There's a 2022 Golf R.
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My mom had an 83 Tercel wagon 4wd manual that I WISH I inherited because it’d be the perfect car for fuckin around in the desert and camping out in the stars. Shame there’s nothing like it anymore 
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LibCrusher posted:My mom had an 83 Tercel wagon 4wd manual that I WISH I inherited because it’d be the perfect car for fuckin around in the desert and camping out in the stars. Shame there’s nothing like it anymore There's one from around that year in my neighborhood that I see street parked once in a while. It seems to be well cared for. 
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LibCrusher posted:My mom had an 83 Tercel wagon 4wd manual that I WISH I inherited because it’d be the perfect car for fuckin around in the desert and camping out in the stars. Shame there’s nothing like it anymore 
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Does that have low range
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PT6A posted:There's a 2022 Golf R. I don't think it has actually hit lots yet.
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Also even before COVID carpocalypse the prior gen Golf R could be hard to acquire depending on where you lived. I had an order in for 6 months shortly after release before I canceled because I didn't even have a build date. When I tried to buy one at the end of its run after hearing about production stopping I could only find 1 listed at a dealer and it turned out to still be in transit and sold within hours of delivery. The one person I personally know with one had to go out of state to get it. Even with the terrible infotainment system and ho-hum power upgrade people are still putting in more orders for the 2022 than many dealers have initial allocations for and in the EU they're nearly a year behind on orders from my understanding. Don't really understand why VW is stingy with them, they've charged enough the last 2 gens it seems unlikely they lose money on them, don't know why they refuse to make more to cash in on the interest.
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LibCrusher posted:My mom had an 83 Tercel wagon 4wd manual that I WISH I inherited because it’d be the perfect car for fuckin around in the desert and camping out in the stars. Shame there’s nothing like it anymore I feel like there's something to be said about sentiment like this, the general trend of cars moving upmarket and a headline I read just now that Dacia has became the top selling brand in France this year, outselling traditional French makes, but I'm not clever enough to formulate the thought. Here's an attempt: It sucks that you guys don't get the Duster in North America. It sounds like it's the perfect all-rounder vehicle for most use cases, including that one. Edit: It is a SUV though, so scratch that. a podcast for cats fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Dec 24, 2021 |
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