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KomradeX posted:Do you honestly think most people agree with the American government and that people not voting isn't comprised of people that don't see the point or think both parties are the same so why bother, or just disillusioned im general with politics yea I guess this is the way shorter version of my question. This really weird 'collective guilt' thing seems to feel a lot like when libs get lovely about how red states 'deserve' whatever they get because obviously they all must love the ghouls in charge.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:10
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KomradeX posted:Do you honestly think most people agree with the American government and that people not voting isn't comprised of people that don't see the point or think both parties are the same so why bother, or just disillusioned im general with politics CaptainACAB posted:Yes.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:10
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Who was richly rewarded? And by who? And if your answer is "the Japanese" you still have to answer the question of what makes the Japanese so different and special in your mind? Is it something inherent to the Japanese, or circumstantial? And why was there no reckoning? There was no reckoning because Douglas Macarthur in particular, but the American state in general, were insane fascists who agreed ideologically with the monsters in Imperial Japan and wanted to use them as a bullwark against communism. That the devil of showa, a class a war criminal tried and convicted by the US Army themselves was hand picked by MacArthur to run the country is all the evidence you need. What makes the Japanese different is that they still deny it happened, and weird nerds carry water for them constantly for some bizzare reason. Let me ask you again, what would your reaction be if the CDU said the Holocaust was a hoax?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:11
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CaptainACAB posted:
it probably wouldn't be to shout that every German is inherently evil and 'the germans' must be punished, you idiot.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:12
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CaptainACAB posted:There was no reckoning because Douglas Macarthur in particular, but the American state in general, were insane fascists who agreed ideologically with the monsters in Imperial Japan and wanted to use them as a bullwark against communism. quote:What makes the Japanese different is that they still deny it happened, and weird nerds carry water for them constantly for some bizzare reason.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:13
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sexpig by night posted:it probably wouldn't be to shout that every German is inherently evil and 'the germans' must be punished, you idiot. So if the CDU, at the peak of their power, said the Holocaust was a hoax and still won every election, often gaining votes, your reaction would be nothing? I somehow doubt that. We just mollycoddle the Japanese fascists for some bizzare reason.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:13
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CaptainACAB posted:So if the CDU, at the peak of their power, said the Holocaust was a hoax and still won every election, often gaining votes, your reaction would be nothing? what should be done to America for constantly electing supporters and architects of the Iraq war who actively deny the cruelty done by American forces there?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:15
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like, you keep falling back to this hypothetical but you get the American government stance on most of our war crimes is 'they didn't happen and if they did it was a few bad apples' right? Do we share the same inherent evil of 'The Japanese'?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:17
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Uhh maybe the way the Japanese are treated a bit different is because instead of trying their war criminals we nuked their civilians twice.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:21
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Oh okay, so by your own logic the Japanese people all agree with and deserve their current government because of American fascist interference. Is that accurate? The Americans weren't the ones who put these monsters in charge in the first place, the Americans were simply the ones who let them get away, because it was useful to America for that to happen. It's both wrong and racist to think the Japanese had people like Kishi imposed on them entirely against their will. They had no problems with Kishi when he was running death factories in Manchuria, which he bragged about openly on the campaign trail. And the Japanese deny it happened because firstly, they are allowed to and suffer zero repercussions for doing so, and also because people don't want to admit their grandpa was an insane murderer, even when their grandpa's spent their entire lives bragging about it.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:23
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God who cares
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Dec 23, 2021 22:23
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CaptainACAB posted:The Americans weren't the ones who put these monsters in charge in the first place, the Americans were simply the ones who let them get away, because it was useful to America for that to happen. It's both wrong and racist to think the Japanese had people like Kishi imposed on them entirely against their will. They had no problems with Kishi when he was running death factories in Manchuria, which he bragged about openly on the campaign trail. what do you want us to do, nuke them again? Like, what's the point here? What should be done? You keep uselessly squealing about 'mollycoddling' and 'zero repercussions' but what do you loving want?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:25
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sexpig by night posted:what should be done to America for constantly electing supporters and architects of the Iraq war who actively deny the cruelty done by American forces there? They should face people's tribunals and have justice meted out in accordance with the findings therein. A lot of them absolutely deserve to be executed, and their ideology scattered to the winds. This will never happen just like the LDP will never suffer any consequences, by the way.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:25
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SorePotato posted:God who cares sexpig by night posted:what do you want us to do, nuke them again?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:26
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I hope the JDPON takes over Japan too, but I'm not sure they need to resettle everyone there across the world to destroy the Japanese nation
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Dec 23, 2021 22:30
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sexpig by night posted:what do you want us to do, nuke them again? What should have happened is that every member of the political administration should have been executed, every officer in their army executed, and the entire royal family executed after publicly denouncing their divinity. Japanese intelligence and secret police would be declared a criminal organization and anyone who had ever worked for them an outlaw, and any country that harbors them a pariah. Then the IJA should have been put to work rebuilding the countries they destroyed, and all Zaibatsus broken, their administration arrested and shot, and their assets given as reparations to the new governments of their occupied territories. The Japanese army, upon completion of the reconstruction of what they destroyed, would then be disbanded and Japan forcibly and permanently disarmed. This is what should have happened, of course, not what did or would. What I'll take is for weird nerds to stop defending these insane fascists just because they draw a lot of child porn. Japan is a right wing ethnostate, has been since the dawn of the 20th century at the latest, and has no signs of stopping. This should be an international pariah state but the Axis ended up winning WW2 so no one will do anything. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 23, 2021 22:36
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anti-Japaneseism is as worthless an ideology as antideutsch, with the difference being that the antideutsch are mostly just annoying, while anti-Japaneseism did genuine damage to the Japanese revolutionary left by killing a bunch of civilians in pointless nihilistic terror attacks against nothing in particular
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Dec 23, 2021 22:36
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CaptainACAB posted:What I'll take is for weird nerds to stop defending these insane fascists just because they draw a lot of child porn.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:39
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CaptainACAB posted:No they're mostly horseshit, but the Japanese have the leadership they deserve. seems like this attitude would be corrosive to solidarity to put it mildly so i don't think it's for me, thanks
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Dec 23, 2021 22:42
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down with all bourgeois nation states, of course, but i'd rather start at home. are you german, captain?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:42
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CaptainACAB posted:What should have happened is that every member of the political administration should have been executed, every officer in their army executed, and the entire royal family executed after publicly denouncing their divinity. Japanese intelligence and secret police would be declared a criminal organization and anyone who had ever worked for them an outlaw, and any country that harbors them a pariah. do you have these fantasies about anyone else? I'm genuinely curious, do you get this angry about America not having mass purges pretty much every generation? Should the Russian government have been machine gunned because of the later-day failures of the USSR? Should South Korea undergo a struggle session for their own insane leaders?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:44
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Nah it's just very clear to us when someone's dressing up their racism in a lot of bullshit logic to seem legitimate when it's really obvious that you just want an excuse to hate them. This is an incredibly stupid argument and I think you could realize it if you thought about it for even ten seconds.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:45
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CaptainACAB posted:This is an incredibly stupid argument and I think you could realize it if you thought about it for even ten seconds. Nah the stupid argument is that the people of Japan deserve their extreme right-wing government, and that the only reason anyone would argue otherwise is because Japan draws child porn. Get the gently caress out
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Dec 23, 2021 22:47
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sexpig by night posted:do you have these fantasies about anyone else? Even asking this pretty clearly demonstrates you either don't know or don't care about the scope and scale of the Japanese atrocities. It is in no way hyperbolic to say that what the Japanese did was in every way comparable, ideologically, in scope, scale and goal, to the Holocaust, and it was if anything carried out with even more brutality. Somewhere around 10 million were murdered in China alone, often in the most brutal ways imaginable, which were literally encouraged by Army administration who paid soldiers a cash prize to find new ways to murder Chinese. If the Russian or South Korean leaders had done this then yes, 100% But they didn't. The Japanese did.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:47
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Nah the stupid argument is that the people of Japan deserve their extreme right-wing government, and that the only reason anyone would argue otherwise is because Japan draws child porn. They deserve the government they constantly elect in every election, yes. Assuming they don't know what the LDP and Nippon Kaigi believe is racist and infantilizing. They know, and they agree, and they vote for it. CaptainACAB has issued a correction as of 22:50 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 22:48
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Atrocious Joe posted:I hope the JDPON takes over Japan too, but I'm not sure they need to resettle everyone there across the world to destroy the Japanese nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japaneseism woops, beaten.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:50
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CaptainACAB posted:They deserve the government they constantly elect in every election, yes. That's only what you tell yourself to justify your racism, hth
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Dec 23, 2021 22:50
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:That's only what you tell yourself to justify your racism, hth No, it's the truth. Opposing fascism is not racism. Now, assuming the Japanese are all babies who are incapable of understanding the things their government openly says over and over, and has said since 1945 so you can assume they're all good and noble is actually racist. The Japanese are not babies or morons. They hear the insane racist things the LDP says and vote for them because Japan is a right wing ethnostate.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:58
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CaptainACAB posted:No, it's the truth and I think the same should have been done to Germany. You're not the puppetmaster you think you are
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Dec 23, 2021 22:59
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:You're not the puppetmaster you think you are I'm not a puppet master, I just gave actual conviction and oppose fascism instead of clinging to some bizzare paternalistic ideology that lets you ignore a second Holocaust because of Anime.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:01
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Aside from all the sane, normal reasons people are pushing back on the idea we should hate all Japanese - I think a lot of leftists have a sentimentality for Japan because their insanely bloated media market is the only major source of leftist media in the mass market. I know it sounds pathetic, but a lot of people were introduced to concepts like anti-imperialism, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and so on through manga, film, or Japanese literature.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:03
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CaptainACAB posted:I'm not a puppet master, I just gave actual conviction and oppose fascism instead of clinging to some bizzare paternalistic ideology that lets you ignore a second Holocaust because of Anime. Your only move is to say the only reason anyone would defend the people of Japan is because of child porn and anime, so yeah nah you're a really obvious racist troll, bye bitch
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Dec 23, 2021 23:04
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Doc Hawkins posted:seems like this attitude would be corrosive to solidarity to put it mildly so i don't think it's for me, thanks it was, indeed, extremely corrosive to solidarity! accidentally killing a bunch of random people with your bomb who weren't even affiliated with your target company, and then saying it was okay because they were all Japanese and thus all complicit in the crimes of the empire (which happened!) did not win many hearts and minds. it was, and is, also anticommunist, there is no room for any kind of class analysis if you think literally everyone in the imperial core down to the lowliest beggar on the street is complicit in its crimes because they haven't overthrown the state yet. I don't think there are actually any anti-Japaneseist organizations left, you might be surprised to learn that organizing around an ideology that calls for all of its potential recruits to be killed led to some difficulty gaining and retaining membership. there is clearly at least one adherent of the ideology left though
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Dec 23, 2021 23:04
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CaptainACAB posted:No, it's the truth. You're making a show of yourself mate. You can say literally everything you just said about the Japanese about the English. But presumably you don't have the same animus towards the English?
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Dec 23, 2021 23:10
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Mister Bates posted:it was, indeed, extremely corrosive to solidarity! accidentally killing a bunch of random people with your bomb who weren't even affiliated with your target company, and then saying it was okay because they were all Japanese and thus all complicit in the crimes of the empire (which happened!) did not win many hearts and minds. yea it's just the massive scale version of those idiots who get all 'hur hur it's good that this hurricane hosed up red states maybe they can cry to their republican governors they obviously love' and poo poo, just the absolute destruction of class analysis and solidarity to take the easiest possible answer of 'obviously they're just all evil and love evil things'. Sadly we have very tangible examples of this happening with, as said here, poo poo like bombing the wrong company and straight up going 'eh they all look alike and these guys probably think Korea deserved it too', then being shocked when Japanese people go 'well...I guess gently caress you?'
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Dec 23, 2021 23:12
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If we're talking about the real world impact of imperialist powers today, Japan isn't even as poisonous as France.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:12
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Yeah, I don’t think criticism of the LPD follows to the general population precisely because they would be voting in greater numbers if they were. It isn’t that a significant section of the public is still pro imperial (they are still out there) but it is about again about generalization. Pener Kropoopkin posted:If we're talking about the real world impact of imperialist powers today, Japan isn't even as poisonous as France. I would say on the context of continuing operations… rather than historical operations. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:15 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 23:12
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Southpaugh posted:You're making a show of yourself mate. it's so funny he kept using the holocaust as his big totem to try to wave around when the english did the holocaust to a poo poo ton of other countries before the holocaust happened. I'm sure he's got lots of posts running into any european topic to go 'WE SHOULD MURDER EVERY ENGLISH PERSON WHO EVER VOTED FOR AN MP REGARDLESS OF PARTY BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY LOVE THE QUEEN AND THEIR PRECIOUS GENOCIDE'. I mean, he'd be some kinda racist freak if he didn't!
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Dec 23, 2021 23:15
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Remember Black '47!!!!!
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Dec 23, 2021 23:16
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If we're talking about the real world impact of imperialist powers today, Japan isn't even as poisonous as France. lol speaking of openly celebrating imperialism and violence remember when Macron literally said north Africa should be grateful to France? Guess we gotta nuke France, RIP to the homies.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:17
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