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I've had like 3 panel tech interviews in the last 2 weeks at 3 different companies and got a call today with an offer from the one I wanted most. Small pay cut, but far better hours and it's 100% WFH. My dogs are going to get so tired of all their afternoon belly rubs. I'm just happy to be part of the Great Resignation. [edit: best snip ever]
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Krispy Wafer posted:I've had like 3 panel tech interviews in the last 2 weeks at 3 different companies and got a call today with an offer from the one I wanted most. Small pay cut, but far better hours and it's 100% WFH. My dogs are going to get so tired of all their afternoon belly rubs. You countered with something appropriate, right?
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Dec 23, 2021 22:33
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Lockback posted:You countered with something appropriate, right? They offered the top of the discussed range so I did not negotiate. My current gig in tech operations for a very large retailer known for aprons has me working weekends and holidays for 12 hours at a time. I'm happy with how the compensation worked out. This gives me back a big chunk of work/life balance. It also occurred to me that I have not resigned from a job in 20 years. I've been laid off and my contract has expired, but no resignations. It feels so weird.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:01
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Ranges are fictions designed to keep the working class down. Next time you interview, ask for offer +20% and be pleased when they counter with offer +8%
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Dec 23, 2021 23:13
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Krispy Wafer posted:They offered the top of the discussed range so I did not negotiate. There's tons of reasons to leave for pay cuts and it sounds like this is a good bet, but yeah. You'd be surprised how ranges crumble when when managers find someone they want to hire.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:17
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Happiness Commando posted:Ranges are fictions designed to keep the working class down. Next time you interview, ask for offer +20% and be pleased when they counter with offer +8% I countered on the last 2 salaries I was offered. The first one said they'd get back to me and then hired someone else. The next (my current job) said no. I'm a little gun shy at this stage. And yes, losing that first job was a blessing in disguise, but it didn't feel that way at the time. I've been wandering around an empty corporate HQ for the last 2 years like it's a scene from the Shining and that's taken a toll on my brain. I will happily counter on the next job, but for now I'm just happy to close this deal.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:21
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Krispy Wafer posted:They offered the top of the discussed range so I did not negotiate. If you've gone from 12 hour days to 8 hour days and you didn't take a 33% paycut then you're still up TBH.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:22
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:What are the thoughts here about follow-up emails after a second interview? A week has passed, and I know they are interviewing other candidates. The problem is the remote work. I asked him if he's okay with me working on remote basis, and he said he's okay with it but wasn't sure the management would be, so it's just a "maybe." I can't see myself moving to DC right now. It's a research job, not something where I would be testifying or whatever, so it should work on a remote basis. I guess we'll see. It was nice to have that five-second rush of oh my god this is over after two years! The comedown is not so nice though. I tried so haaaard and got so faaaar
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Dec 24, 2021 18:38
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Guy called today to offer me this job. I'm actually happy with the pay and benefits. No, don't kid yourself. That's a No. Did that conversation happen back during the interviews?
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Dec 24, 2021 18:50
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Well, I'd usually say you should be upfront about remote work so you don't end up wasting a bunch of time but if it's truly "maybe" now is the best time to push since they don't want to have restart the whole process right now. Ask for a call with the manager and see if you can hammer it out.
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Dec 24, 2021 19:17
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Yes, but remember that if it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist. Like it's not a basis to sue them or anything but if "this role will be remote X days per week" or "this role will be fully remote" written into the offer letter it at least makes it a lot harder for them to say "nuh-uh we never said that" later. But most importantly it's a good test for whether they're serious about it or just leading you along. "Yeah remote work might be possible, we're open to the idea" in an interview quite often will become a diplomatic but firm "no we absolutely will not promise remote work in writing" if they're pressed to write it into the offer letter, and then you've at least gotten them to show their cards.
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Dec 24, 2021 19:27
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Im starting to feel pretty depressed at my current job and I don’t think I’m giving them the level of work that they deserve because of it. Definitely coasting and I’m starting to look into alternatives but I’m having some trouble find a lot of things and I’m wondering if it’s my resume. Since like 2018 I’ve been at the same company doing a lot of lead generation/data management, and in those years I have written several programs/scripts that have drastically improved my and my team’s output and profits, I’m sort of a manager but my pay does not reflect that which is part of my annoyance, but I feel like a lot of companies that are paying higher rates need a lot more experience than what I actually have, and I feel like right now the only jobs I’m qualified that I can actually find listings for are entry level positions. Also those entry level positions are fairly close to my current pay which is also upsetting me. I’m having difficulty figuring out what kind of job I should be looking for, I think that with my experience both with having employees report directly to me and my experience with completely reframing our approach and rewriting our whole SOP I should be looking for managerial positions but my current job title doesn’t technically reflect that and I’m not sure how to phrase that in my resume or just get that general point across, I think I’m underselling my ability with my current resume. I just have a lot of issues with my resume in general I think, and I would love some assistance with that if anyone would be willing to look it over and help me figure out where I can improve it. Best way to contact me is probably on discord, Tacks#7636.
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Dec 24, 2021 19:37
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Thumbtacks posted:Im starting to feel pretty depressed at my current job and I don’t think I’m giving them the level of work that they deserve because of it. Definitely coasting and I’m starting to look into alternatives but I’m having some trouble find a lot of things and I’m wondering if it’s my resume. Since like 2018 I’ve been at the same company doing a lot of lead generation/data management, and in those years I have written several programs/scripts that have drastically improved my and my team’s output and profits, I’m sort of a manager but my pay does not reflect that which is part of my annoyance, but I feel like a lot of companies that are paying higher rates need a lot more experience than what I actually have, and I feel like right now the only jobs I’m qualified that I can actually find listings for are entry level positions. Also those entry level positions are fairly close to my current pay which is also upsetting me. Without seeing your resume, I'd recommend trying to turn any bullet points into something related to numbers that can display how it makes more for the companies bottom line. Eg. "Reduced <system> execution time by XX%" "Lead $X million/thousand dollar project with 100.0% completion of targeted goals" Something like that, I'm bad with words. There's someone on the forums that does resume rewriting that might be worth checking out. I've heard both positive and negative reviews on that, but also there might be some confusion about the best poster for that work. Good luck!
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Dec 24, 2021 20:20
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You can post your resume for feedback but more importantly post some of the jobs you think you should be a good candidate for. You might be stuck in-between (the first couple of years of management you're usually shackled, few companies want to hire a manager who looks like they are washing out of their first management gig). It's hard to know without knowing what kind of candidate you are and what kind of jobs you're looking for.
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Dec 24, 2021 20:51
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Eric the Mauve posted:Yes, but remember that if it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist. for sure get it in writing but don't fuckin rain on his parade, it's absolutely possible for them to agree to it and for KOTEX to get it in writing
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Dec 24, 2021 20:58
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Yeah, at no point did I say it's impossible for him to get what he wants. It's just that it's a common interview mistake in these cases for this to happen Candidate: Do you allow people in this role to work remotely? Interviewer: Well, I have no problem with it in the right circumstances, we support remote work where it makes sense. Candidate: OK great... (drops subject, continues interview) when what the candidate really meant was "I'm only interested in this role if it's 90%+ remote" but doesn't want to risk ending his candidacy prematurely by saying that straight out, and what the interviewer meant was "I personally am fine with fully remote but the fuckwit director wants asses in seats so no, you will have to commute to the office 90%+ of the time" but she's weary of losing good candidates to this issue and prefers to deflect for now, hoping one will want the job badly enough to accept it when they find out later. Or the tl;dr, conflict is uncomfortable so most people avoid it. If fully or mostly remote work is really a show stopper for you then it's just a huge waste of your time to not make that clear early in the process. But the overall job market right now (especially in computer toucher land) is such that if a fully remote role is posted it gets 300 applicants, and if an identical but rear end-in-seat role is posted it gets crickets. Hmmmmm 
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Dec 24, 2021 21:17
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It's weird because it never came up, but I did repeatedly say that I live in Massachusetts and even talked about some of the community stuff I do, so they couldn't possibly be under the impression I live in DC. Which ought to lead to questions about relocation, but they never even asked. According to him (the manager, luckily, not some HR dingbat) upper management keeps going back and forth about whether they're prepared to take on full remote people right now. I hope he'll convince them. I told him I'm totally down to do frequent travel to DC once the pandemic is over at least. Honestly I'm tempted to just be like "yeah I'll relocate after a year," and even tempted to actually go through with it. I adore Massachusetts - it's my home - and I despise DC, but I am so, so sick of the cycle of job applications and rejections and continuing to be stuck in my lovely, humiliating job for years.
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Dec 25, 2021 00:33
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Yeah, I wouldn't be worried about them saying remote is ok then "surprising" a relocation on you. Either remote will be fine or it won't. I do agree bringing it up explicitly earlier in general, but this may work out for you if they are having issues filling the role.
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Dec 25, 2021 00:45
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They claimed to have been interviewing a couple of other people. 
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Dec 25, 2021 02:38
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Oh ya bud I've got interviews at four other places too and they all pay more...
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Dec 25, 2021 03:32
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Does anyone work in a senior client/customer success role and open to a few PM'd questions?
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Upgrade posted:Does anyone work in a senior client/customer success role and open to a few PM'd questions? I used to do operational engineering for a large customer success org and did all the conferences and junk. I had to get pretty involved on the business and CSMs day to day. I'm probably not the best resource here but if there's no one else in happy to answer what I can
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Alright, so thread’s thoughts on two issues: I’m on medical disability (and will be for at least the immediate future). How do you account for this stretch on a resume and/or questions afterward? I think it’s officially nunya, but that doesn’t always come across diplomatically. Also, how do you ask for accommodations during the application/interview process (like (WFH w/ doctor’s note)? Second, I was working a side gig as a contractor for ~10 months while at my last (primary) job (where I was just separated and am on disability). Is it good to list that on resume/LinkedIn (I did not inform primary employer)? I can see it either being a strength about handle-able workload or a strike against me for pursuing additional work (or something?) I do plan to reach out to my now ex-company again when I come back into the workforce (at their invitation), so I’m thinking no in that case, but otherwise I’m really uncertain. Much obliged.
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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:I’m on medical disability (and will be for at least the immediate future). How do you account for this stretch on a resume and/or questions afterward? I think it’s officially nunya, but that doesn’t always come across diplomatically. quote:Also, how do you ask for accommodations during the application/interview process (like (WFH w/ doctor’s note)? quote:Second, I was working a side gig as a contractor for ~10 months...
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This is more than two issues, renumbered for my answer. REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:1) I’m on medical disability (and will be for at least the immediate future). How do you account for this stretch on a resume and/or questions afterward? I think it’s officially nunya, but that doesn’t always come across diplomatically. Jan 2021 - Mar 2021 Medical Leave On medical leave for resolved, non-recurring medical issue. Would be fine for me, but is not needed for other and yet some may ask you more details. Do what you're comfortable with, put everything on a resume in the best light. 2) I'm gonna give you my experience as an interviewer in the USA and its gonna be frank, so that you can diplomatically approach getting a job where you need reasonable accommodations. Short version: don't bring it up right away, bring it up straight forwardly and candidly later in the process. If someone purposefully makes it clear they need ADA-specific accommodations or they are thing-protected-by-Title-VII during the interview process I am going to have my litigation red flags going crazy. Heres how this has happened historically: 1. I ask a std set of ~10 lawyer-approved questions in the phone interview 2. Someone brings up that they have XYZ medical issue or thing-protected-by-Title-VII that doesnt really have anything to do with question I asked and would clear affect their ability to do the job I am interviewing them for. 3. I ask them the remaining questions 4. They historically havent gotten them job Bring this poo poo up late in the process. Make them want you first. The following words in a resume could dramatically decrease your response rate: accommodation, disability 3) I'd definitely list a 10 mo job where I separated due to disability. dirby posted:If you need accommodations during the interview process, ask the first HR person you get in contact with "How would I go about requesting accommodations for the interview process?" or the person scheduling the interview if you don't get an HR person. If you just need it for the job, then wait until they've made you an official offer, and then confirm (with an HR person if possible) that the accommodations can be granted before you accept (your acceptance is conditional on them granting your needed accommodations). +1
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Generally agree. I'd list the consulting gig but maybe just leave the dates off or get vague, if it's relevant.
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Something I forgot to mention about the job offer I got: they didn't ask for my references. Weird.
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I've only once asked for references, and it was when a prospects story was kinda fishy (he was telling the truth). Otherwise I never bother.
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Don’t put medical leave on your resume. Great way to make sure you never get an interview. Just leave the gap be prepared to answer questions about it. Gaps in resumes aren’t that big of a deal anymore.
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Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it. Accommodations would be for the job itself, so I’ll keep it (and looks like most of it) close to my chest as long as possible. The side gig was in the exact same vein as my primary, so when I eventually start looking/trying again, I’ll look to include it but maybe keep the timing vague.
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Dec 28, 2021 21:58
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Eric the Mauve posted:No, don't kid yourself. That's a No.
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Congrats Kotex 
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:They actually just gave me a yes! Offer letter next week since they're closed this week. Hasn't really sunk in that this is real yet. Nice! Probably worked out for you letting them fall in love first, even though I think it was a gamble but to disclose. Congrats!
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Dec 30, 2021 02:42
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 well done Kotex, it's not over til your first paycheck but signs are good.
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Well they actually failed to send me an offer letter today, which is a problem as I need to put in a two weeks' notice. :/
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Your earliest available start date is 2 weeks after your contingency-free offer letter is signed. No business you want to work for will have a problem with that.
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I'd send them a friendly "I am excited to work for you guys, even more excited once I get a offer letter". TBH, I had a new employee start today that I was woefully unprepared for, so I can totally see a bunch of people assuming getting an offer letter out today would be no sweat and then had some last minute call offs or other stuff come up. A gentle, friendly reminder is appropriate and might get things moving a bit faster.
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Alright, I'll send them a note in the morning, just in case it comes through late tonight for whatever reason. Thanks for the advice, I don't want to annoy them but I really want to get this squared away, for both personal and professional reasons.
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Jan 3, 2022 23:48
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In the future I wouldn’t put in notice until you sign an offer and go through any background checks
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