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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, quote this post by midnight Christmas EST if you want this gangtag added to your profile: Hook me up!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:wtf Loial F's for my boy.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:09
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:wtf Loial Oh right did he actually die?! I was thinking about that and completely forgot.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:10
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The whole season was a hell of a ride and that was a nice holy poo poo end to it. I'm very interested in seeing where they take it.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:10
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MegaZeroX posted:Oh right did he actually die?! I was thinking about that and completely forgot. didn't die on camera, you know the rules
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Dec 24, 2021 02:10
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Episode rad. Show rad. Also those Seanchan are loving weird and I'm here for it.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:11
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eke out posted:in the extras rafe and pike very carefully don't say anything to confirm what exactly happened to moiraine except that she apparently is cut off, and that they want moiraine to have a cool plot in season two unlike book two yeah i can absolutely see where they're going with it. moiraine is legit just an outright non-entity for at bare minimum half the series and that's not even including purely the time she's trapped. it'll be interesting to see where they take it but there kind of is room for it, i guess.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, quote this post by midnight Christmas EST if you want this gangtag added to your profile: Hope this isn't lost in show posting but I would love this
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Dec 24, 2021 02:11
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I went in to the finale hyped and came out feepong like I'm just going to tell people to read the books tbh. Like maybe it can pick up in s2, and it's not that I'm mad that there are changes, it's that none of them make any sense to me, and none feel to the betterment of the story. They were already having a rough time fitting in the plot, and the bits they're left with at this point after that episode won't make the story I was looking forward to watching.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:12
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Inspired by the Wheel of Time book series more like
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Dec 24, 2021 02:17
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that was kind of a ... disappointing? ... finale?
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Dec 24, 2021 02:17
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So Rand broke a seal huh
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Dec 24, 2021 02:17
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Hexel posted:So Rand broke a seal huh That's more or less consistent with the books - I mean, maybe not as directly, but the first three are broken in essentially direct response to him confronting Ishamael.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:19
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Lol just watched the prologue, why did she call him the Dragon 'Reborn'? I thought LTT was just known as the Dragon?
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Dec 24, 2021 02:19
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they intentionally left a couple loose ends as a hook for season 2, you always have to keep in mind with tv plotting is that they want to give reasons for viewers to want to check back in later to find out what the results are when more episodes release. some of it is definitely changes made purely because of the format and seeing how they can work certain things in better in their eyes, so ultimately we'll have to see what happens with those choices. i guess overall i'll check in back with the show whenever season 2 is coming out, now that we're out of the weird part of the series that had a lot of work to do to fill in gaps of what was otherwise an insanely close rendition of lord of the rings to whatever extent.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:20
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no, not my boy...
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Dec 24, 2021 02:22
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eke out posted:as much as i want the EOTW prologue i can understand why they didn't show it, it'd ruin any suspense about meeting Ishamael if only 20 minutes ago we saw him in full villain mode monologuing to Lews Therin
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Dec 24, 2021 02:22
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Have they introduced what a "seal" is at all? Did they mention this was one of the Dark One's seals? I don't think the show has done that at all. To a TV only viewer it would be just baffling as to why Moraine would think some "heartstone" being broken would indicate this is not the last battle.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:22
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, quote this post by midnight Christmas EST if you want this gangtag added to your profile:
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Dec 24, 2021 02:23
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The one thing I can absolutely guarantee is that any book reader saying "How does this make sense to a show watcher" is almost always wrong.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:23
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i really wish they had conveyed the war of power some in that cold open, i can only hope they do in future seasons. it's really important to the whole decision behind the sealing e: lews therin did nothing wrong
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Dec 24, 2021 02:24
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Nitrousoxide posted:Have they introduced what a "seal" is at all? Did they mention this was one of the Dark One's seals? I don't think the show has done that at all. To a TV only viewer it would be just baffling as to why Moraine would think some "heartstone" being broken would indicate this is not the last battle. this is introducing all the things you are talking about, moiraine didn't know there was a seal there, tune in next year to see her on camera learn more about this important subject edit: lol did you really post about this in the other thread pretending you don't know what cuendillar is
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Dec 24, 2021 02:25
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Were people so impressed by the end of TEOTW in the books that they’re mad about changes here? I’m pretty okay with them making changes to the structure of the early books tbh because most of what makes WOT great kind of hits in the middle and end of the overall arch.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:26
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I liked: Lews Therin is outstanding, and the shot of the Age of Legends was breathtaking. Ishamael is perfect. Just the right mix of crazy and smug. Seanchan look really cool. I guess they're replacing leashes with gags? Probably a good idea, but it's still really kinky. Characterization is good. I liked the hints of a pending Laneave breakup, Perrin's reaction to Fain, and Rand having a feminist epiphany. Min let her hair down!  I didn't like: Not so sure about having the opening scene in the Old Tongue. Seems unneeded. They could've just started it in the Old Tongue, then continued in the vernacular with the understanding they were still speaking it. Like the start of Red October. It would've been better if there was a military objective to the Seanchan tsunami. Like, they could have had a fort or city behind the beach, and the scene would have been fine. Summoning a wave to kill a little girl just makes them look like petty dicks (which may be book-accurate). What the gently caress, though: They killed Loial and Uno?! William Bear fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Dec 24, 2021 |
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Dec 24, 2021 02:26
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It feels like they’re leaning hard on the books to fill in the gaps. Which is probably necessary given the pace they have to make until the books start really slowing down. Overall I thought it was ok, not a rousing finale but decent. Open plot threads / predictions, with spoilers for those who haven’t seen it yet: Rand: wandering off on his own. Next stop Caemlyn? Loial/ Uno: presumably not actually dead? Moraine: stilled, hopefully temporarily. Seanchan: summoning tsunamis to defeat, uh, one little girl? Nynaeve and Egwene: next stop white tower politics, black Ajah stuff? Perrin, Mat: no idea what they’re doing with them. Min: in the wind, expect she will show up wherever Rand is. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Dec 24, 2021 |
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Dec 24, 2021 02:27
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90% that moiraine is shielded, not stilled. I thought the books said being shielded you can still feel the source but with a wall between you, but stilled you're cut off completely and it's an empty hole where it was. I was only half right, though. It definitely feels like something was cut away but apparently they can still feel the source, just like shielding. If she is severed, she'll probably be the one Nynaeve heals instead of (or maybe with!) Siuan and we'll get more of "you need to find a reason to live, and throwing myself into my cause is mine" in the interim The thing that annoys me is that I thought Linking protected the channeler a like using an angreal or sa'angreal did, so this is a very intriguing decision. I did like the depiction of burning out at least, especially Amalisa saying how intoxicating it was
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Dec 24, 2021 02:27
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William Bear posted:I didn't like: Yea, the cold open I really hated the full thing being in Old Tongue. I understand that there were some cool bits in there and it sounded very natural which is nice. But I hate having to read during a movie because I'm not looking at the characters or the scenery or any of that. What the gently caress? Uno is still moving around, and if they dont' die on screen they aren't dead.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:29
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DarkHorse posted:The thing that annoys me is that I thought Linking protected the channeler a like using an angreal or sa'angreal did, so this is a very intriguing decision. I did like the depiction of burning out at least, especially Amalisa saying how intoxicating it was honestly it's a good answer to "why don't the aes sedai constantly link when you can do such unbelievable things in circles?" if the person running the circle can burn you out through intent or ignorance
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Dec 24, 2021 02:29
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eke out posted:this is introducing all the things you are talking about, moiraine didn't know there was a seal there, tune in next year to see her on camera learn more about this important subject Yes. I also called Ishamial "The Dark One" because it's the no spoilers thread.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:30
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DarkHorse posted:
On Moiraine, When Logain was gentled there was a huge ole effect played showing Saidar exploding out of his chest. Moiraine doesn't get that effect. It's a shield that she can't detect because it's Saidin. On Linking Yea that was a weird change I think. BUT I did like the attention to detail showing the strength of Nyneave and Egwene with more power flowing into them, and it was brighter and thicker.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:32
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Nitrousoxide posted:Yes. I also called Ishamial "The Dark One" because it's the no spoilers thread. feigning ignorance and pretend-asking questions about things you know are significant from the books is a bad look
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Dec 24, 2021 02:33
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Nitrousoxide posted:Have they introduced what a "seal" is at all? Did they mention this was one of the Dark One's seals? I don't think the show has done that at all. To a TV only viewer it would be just baffling as to why Moraine would think some "heartstone" being broken would indicate this is not the last battle. From a non-reader perspective what they know is that it's the dark one's prison and they extremely obviously show Rand cracking it
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now that i'm done being mad about the cold open i will say that this episode had some really brilliant stuff, but also some really "what" going on the brilliant: padan fain continues to own, excellent casting and i loved his monologue to perrin. i liked moiraine and rand in this episode a lot, along with ishy. these were the elements i'm 100% on board with, with the exception of the sa'angreal which i'll get to. i enjoyed the linking at tarwin's gap. casting of lews therin the good: the nynaeve lan scene was nice the bad: i don't like the implication that mat went darkfriend? the sa'angreal should have been a little fat man. the cold open, outside of the visual and acting, both of which were excellent. the unknown: rand wandering away is an interesting choice and i think i like it, we'll have to see though. i'm... not entirely sold on the seanchan, yet, but i expect i'll dig it in time. is loial gonna actually be dead? he better not be
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Dec 24, 2021 02:34
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VanillaGorilla posted:Were people so impressed by the end of TEOTW in the books that they’re mad about changes here? The ending of eye wasn't spectacular, but do you think this was better? Do they gain anything by having the other 3 not join Rand to go meet the Aiel, or by killing Loial or Aggelmar? How did Fain even get the dagger? I didn't say gently caress the show forever, I said I would just recommend the books at this point and am not really hyped for next season like I was. The changes they made seemed nonsensical, ignoring the seemingly unnecessary terminology changes.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:35
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CainFortea posted:On Linking Yea that was a weird change I think. BUT I did like the attention to detail showing the strength of Nyneave and Egwene with more power flowing into them, and it was brighter and thicker. Amalisa visibly jumped when Nynaeve's juice hit her, which made me laugh. Linking with Nynaeve must feel like a kick in the crotch+being struck by lightning.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:36
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Skyl3lazer posted:Do they gain anything by having the other 3 not join Rand to go meet the Aiel, or by killing Loial or Aggelmar? it seems extremely possible that literally none of these things you said are correct
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Dec 24, 2021 02:38
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Nitrousoxide posted:Yes. I also called Ishamial "The Dark One" because it's the no spoilers thread. Maybe just don't post ya dingus
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Dec 24, 2021 02:38
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Beefeater1980 posted:
Seanchan They were maybe expecting a hostile, contested landing. So they cleared the landing zone Nynaeve, Egwene: Agreed. Perrin, Mat: Obviously chasing Padan Fain for the dagger and the Horn of Valere vvv I agree, the end result of the changes isn‘t that big a difference from the books. The path to get there was very good and not solely focussed on Rand doing everything. I liked it. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Dec 24, 2021 |
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Dec 24, 2021 02:38
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Not sure why people are so concerned about the changes so far? I mean, of the big ones (spoilers for people who haven't had a chance to watch): - Moiraine stilled or shielded. Yes its a change, but she can still be an advisor and let the other cast members step forward. This season was basically her story, and now she may take more of a secondary character just like in the books. If they do want to use her for Belal/Lanfear stuff, that really looked more like a shield - compare it to how Logain's gentling went. It could be a tied off shield that Rand helps break at the right time. - Loial dead? I don't believe it. I think they probably intended Mat to be injured by the dagger originally, giving them the personal motivation to hunt after Fain and retrieve the dagger. That was altered due to the casting. I think Loial will be injured but not dead. - Mat is obviously going to have some different path than intended. But he's shown to be at the Tower. My guess is he will be captured and fully healed like in the books, and meet up with Thom in Tar Valon. - Nynaeve/Egwene are basically in the same place. Probably heading to the White Tower in the next season. - Rand is the big question mark. Where is he intending to go? But although this is the biggest difference in my opinion, there's a billion ways to tie him back into the main group. The circle of women defending Tarwin's Gap instead of Rand is a change, but it doesn't alter anything, and it came at a major cost.. - The horn/dagger is exactly like after the beginning of book 2, in Fain's hands. Where he goes we don't know, but this isn't a departure. - The Seanchan are showing up where they would. No change so far. - Ishamael is he dead/balefired? Maybe. But Rand thought he destroyed the Dark One in the book too. Right now from a book point of view, we are left in the same place. You could argue that if that was balefire, it messes up the resurrection. But that's not a rule introduced in the show as of yet. We don't know if resurrections will be kept in. Moridin seems important to book readers, but there are other ways of doing it. Basically I don't think the show changed as much as people are displaying. We still have the hook for next season that was the hook for the Great Hunt. Yes the details will be different but we knew that was going to be the case. Personally loved the episode. Would I change small things about it like not calling LTT the Dragon Reborn? Sure. But I don't really give a poo poo about things like that. I think next season we may get the Eye prologue as an opening, or perhaps later, but it will come in, especially as LTT become a more central character.
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