Paradoxish posted:

This also isn't quite right. Some of those people will be hospitalized, because there's basically no group that doesn't have at least some risk of severe outcomes with covid. Which is, of course, why it's not a loving "common cold."

So Omicron may be putting the same number of people in the hospital as Delta. In addition to that, it's going to put some other, presumably smaller number of people in the hospital who would have just totally shrugged off a Delta infection. We're somehow taking this conclusion and running with the "milder" narrative even though the actual conclusion is that it's straight-up worse than Delta.

crepeface posted:

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

My heart breaks for the kids, it really does. It sucks that they're missing out on some of the fun social experiences that should be part and parcel of this period of their lives. I mean I have been an introverted nerd my whole life, and even I can't imagine how loving devastated as a teen I'd have been if I had to deal with this poo poo (not to mention the anxiety about the future and my own wellbeing, of course). I mentioned how I got my teaching certification just before all this happened, and yeah, I'd be lying if I said it was not a day that went by, but it's definitely not a week that goes by where I don't think about my students and how hosed this is for them. They were a great bunch of kids, and they deserve so much better than this.

And then of course, yeah. There is a minority of students who have the drive and the learning style where they can respond to at-home learning as well as in-person learning. But they are a minority. The majority of learners are not going to be as well-served by learning from home as they would from in-person instruction. And that's not to say anything about the fact many otherwise excellent teachers would/did doubtless struggle to adapt to that sort of teaching methodology.

It's awful, and it sucks. And it sucks for the parents too, yeah, I get it.

It's miserable. Because you know what? A pandemic is miserable. We are living through a horrible crisis that would require sacrifices and less-than-ideal compromises even if we did everything right.
You know what sucks more than your child missing out on socialization and having a sub-obtimal education? Having them die or get maimed for life.

I have nothing but empathy and heartache for the children, but all these ghoulish parents saying they want the schools open can go gently caress off and die in a fire because god loving dammit what kind of monster has so little regard for the loving lives of their children?

Doctor posted:

https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1474246701900779520?s=20

well there goes my plan to simply stay home and pretend I have COVID

Doctor posted:

https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1474246701900779520?s=20

well there goes my plan to simply stay home and pretend I have COVID

Business Gorillas posted:

my guess is its the same reason people get really mad about masks & respirators in particular: its an admission that things aren't normal

bowser posted:

Somewhere out there there's a bizarro Wang Commander who has been infected 40 times and is on a mission to achieve the perfect "natural immunity".

crepeface posted:

glad u have some humour about this because i found a possible future av for you but thought it might be too ghoulish to share

Atrocious Joe posted:

Biden is demonstrating a world historical level of unpreparedness

Doctor posted:

wtf is with these people so insanely against online learning like dude I am a freakin prof and remote learning is an easy pass if you just do the minimum level of effort and turn things in on time I don't loving get it I would've thought I'd won the drat lottery if I got to stay home and do my degree from my bed like spare yourself all the drat stress I just don't get it

Rutibex posted:

I think they did a study where 100% of rats died after being infected with covid at least 20 times. should only take 5 or so years before all of us are turned to soup if they just keep letting covid go wild

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I have nothing but empathy and heartache for the children, but all these ghoulish parents saying they want the schools open can go gently caress off and die in a fire because god loving dammit what kind of monster has so little regard for the loving lives of their children?

Slider posted:

sometimes i like to go to international airports during a deadly plague and just hang out, ya knmow

Rutibex posted:

I think they did a study where 100% of rats died after being infected with covid at least 20 times. should only take 5 or so years before all of us are turned to soup if they just keep letting covid go wild

Rutibex posted:

I think they did a study where 100% of rats died after being infected with covid at least 20 times. should only take 5 or so years before all of us are turned to soup if they just keep letting covid go wild

zone posted:

Man imagine the scale of misery if we brewed up our own Marek's disease, because lmfao

Rutibex posted:

I think they did a study where 100% of rats died after being infected with covid at least 20 times. should only take 5 or so years before all of us are turned to soup if they just keep letting covid go wild

Doctor posted:

wtf is with these people so insanely against online learning like dude I am a freakin prof and remote learning is an easy pass if you just do the minimum level of effort and turn things in on time I don't loving get it I would've thought I'd won the drat lottery if I got to stay home and do my degree from my bed like spare yourself all the drat stress I just don't get it

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

My heart breaks for the kids, it really does. It sucks that they're missing out on some of the fun social experiences that should be part and parcel of this period of their lives. I mean I have been an introverted nerd my whole life, and even I can't imagine how loving devastated as a teen I'd have been if I had to deal with this poo poo (not to mention the anxiety about the future and my own wellbeing, of course). I mentioned how I got my teaching certification just before all this happened, and yeah, I'd be lying if I said it was not a day that went by, but it's definitely not a week that goes by where I don't think about my students and how hosed this is for them. They were a great bunch of kids, and they deserve so much better than this.

And then of course, yeah. There is a minority of students who have the drive and the learning style where they can respond to at-home learning as well as in-person learning. But they are a minority. The majority of learners are not going to be as well-served by learning from home as they would from in-person instruction. And that's not to say anything about the fact many otherwise excellent teachers would/did doubtless struggle to adapt to that sort of teaching methodology.

It's awful, and it sucks. And it sucks for the parents too, yeah, I get it.

It's miserable. Because you know what? A pandemic is miserable. We are living through a horrible crisis that would require sacrifices and less-than-ideal compromises even if we did everything right.
You know what sucks more than your child missing out on socialization and having a sub-obtimal education? Having them die or get maimed for life.

I have nothing but empathy and heartache for the children, but all these ghoulish parents saying they want the schools open can go gently caress off and die in a fire because god loving dammit what kind of monster has so little regard for the loving lives of their children?

speng31b posted:

Rats only live like two years, you sure they didn't just die a natural death in the time it took them to infect them that much

Shear Modulus posted:

online college sucks rear end because you pay full price tuition and you don't get to gently caress your classmates

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

one of the dudes in that exchange was so mad about virtual school that he said "I'm sure we can find plenty of young twenty somethings to instruct in person if the older teachers can't do it."

god he's such a piece of poo poo

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

one of the dudes in that exchange was so mad about virtual school that he said "I'm sure we can find plenty of young twenty somethings to instruct in person if the older teachers can't do it."

god he's such a piece of poo poo

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I mean that's the best case scenario. The current route of 'no NPIs, vaccines only' has really only two probable - perhaps even possible - outcomes; Marek's disease or ADE. The former would be bad but the latter would probably be genuinely an existential threat to the human race, not merely to industrial civilization (outside of China).

quote:

Most diseases do not cause ADE, but one of the best studied examples of a pathogen that can cause ADE is dengue virus. Dengue virus is one of the most common infections in the world, infecting hundreds of millions and killing tens of thousands of people each year. Unlike viruses like measles or mumps that only have one type, dengue virus has four different forms, called “serotypes.” These serotypes are very similar, but slight differences among them set the stage for ADE. If a person is infected by one serotype of dengue virus, they typically have mild disease and generate a protective immune response, including neutralizing antibodies, against that serotype. But, if that person is infected with a second serotype of dengue virus, the neutralizing antibodies generated from the first infection may bind to the virus and actually increase the virus’s ability to enter cells, resulting in ADE and causing a severe form of the disease, called dengue hemorrhagic fever.

Is ADE caused by vaccines?

On a few occasions ADE has resulted from vaccination:

- Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) — RSV is a virus that commonly causes pneumonia in children. A vaccine was made by growing RSV, purifying it, and inactivating it with the chemical formaldehyde. In clinical trials, children who were given the vaccine were more likely to develop or die from pneumonia after infection with RSV. As a result of this finding, the vaccine trials stopped, and the vaccine was never submitted for approval or released to the public.

- Measles — An early version of measles vaccine was made by inactivating measles virus using formaldehyde. Children who were vaccinated and later became infected with measles in the community developed high fevers, unusual rash, and an atypical form of pneumonia. Upon seeing these results, the vaccine was withdrawn from use, and those who received this version of the vaccine were recommended to be vaccinated again using the live, weakened measles vaccine, which does not cause ADE and is still in use today.

Both the RSV and measles vaccines that caused ADE were tested in the 1960s. Since then, other vaccines have successfully been created by purifying and chemically inactivating the virus with formaldehyde, such as hepatitis A, rabies, and inactivated polio vaccines. These more recent vaccines do not cause ADE.

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines

Doctor posted:

Right I forgot about The College Experience

Captain Magic posted:

as a teacher this is also my position

also I am not going to teach past this year

goodbye public service, it was real

Wang Commander posted:

I understand the use of the Marek's comparison but it really does seem like so far the major mutations have been cropping up more and more in the utterly insane spread in low vaxx populations.

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I linked the study, unless I misunderstood it, they just basically let SARS1 run wild through a mouse population until they wound up with a variant that had a CFR of 70-100%.
Thankfully that won't happen as a result of our choice to let SARS2 run wild through a human population because

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I linked the study, unless I misunderstood it, they just basically let SARS1 run wild through a mouse population until they wound up with a variant that had a CFR of 70-100%.
Thankfully that won't happen as a result of our choice to let SARS2 run wild through a human population because

Wang Commander posted:

We've been over this again and again. Unless something really drastic changes covid will not directly disable the workforce to the point things grind to a halt. It didn't even really manage to do so in India's Delta wave.

cr0y posted:

Such a variant would likely be outcompeted on a global stage. I think a sample size of a couple dozen rats in a box isn't a great model for "human extinction test".

platzapS posted:

Someone who knows more about international responses: Is the Biden admin "normal" or does it seem unusually "chill"/unprepared/resigned compared to like, Britain and Australia even?