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MacheteZombie posted:I watched alien yesterday What version did you watch? Here’s a discussion topic that I don’t think has made the rounds in a while, what version of the movie do people prefer, and why? I prefer the theatrical cut but my “ideal” version would have elements from both, and maybe some of the other deleted scenes that didn’t make it into either cut.
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The theatrical. I like some things from the directors cut but not all of it. I testing out my new tv and it looked so drat good.
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Dec 22, 2021 00:41
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There’s a pretty good Alien doc on Tubi called Memory I just watched the other day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-dkztGutk
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Dec 22, 2021 00:55
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Owlbear Camus posted:I think the alien universe works best if humans are pretty much alone. Like SMG said, the idea is that you run I to random alien possums or snakes and stuff, not alien people that talk to you outside of Engineers.
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Dec 22, 2021 03:51
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MacheteZombie posted:The theatrical. I like some things from the directors cut but not all of it. I watched the 4K version thats on Amazon Prime recently, and I'm still in awe at how practically nothing about it has aged. Everything from the sets, the miniatures, the cinematography, direction, creature effects, the score...it all still adds up to a movie that feels like it could've been made today. As much as I love ALIENS, that is very much an 80s movie.
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Dec 22, 2021 04:44
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Xenomrph posted:What version did you watch? i prefer the theatrical cuts of Alien and Aliens because they have better pacing since imo most of the scenes included in the director's cut are really unnecessary and slow the movies down.
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Dec 22, 2021 07:32
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If the theatrical cut had kept the more eerie version of the alien signal and the crabwalk it would be flawless. Aliens just needs the sentry guns scenes the rest can go.
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Dec 22, 2021 09:00
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no it also needs Hudson going off in the drop ship and calling the aliens ants
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Dec 22, 2021 11:40
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Alien: Theatrical cut is perfect. Aliens: Directors Cut. Amanda Ripley scene feels so integral to the plot/themes that I forget it's not in the theatrical. Ditto Hudsons military hardware monologue. I would honestly rather a cut that has that plus a few of the other smaller extended scenes and leaves out the Hadleys Hope stuff. I get the argument it drives home the horror for some to see it first as a thiving place but for me it works best as a mystery then a ghost house for your brain to fill in what it was like. On the balthough though director's is the superior cut despite this misgiving.
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Dec 22, 2021 13:27
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Owlbear Camus posted:Alien: Theatrical cut is perfect. I can swear the television cut of Aliens I recorded as a kid and watched a billion times had the sentry guns and daughter but no Newts father. Searching the Internet has other people seeing this cut as well. I remember being super confused renting/buying the movie and it having no sentry guns, or daughter and me being absolutely sure I didn't imagine it,, but seeing the Newts father scene in the DC was definitely the first time I saw it.
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Dec 22, 2021 14:49
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Owlbear Camus posted:I get the argument it drives home the horror for some to see it first as a thiving place but for me it works best as a mystery then a ghost house for your brain to fill in what it was like.  I can understand wanting to let your brain fill in the “before” I guess though, although I don’t have a problem with what the directors cut shows us.
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Dec 22, 2021 15:22
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They're fine scenes and I get the argument that it drives home the fact it was a thriving colony, I just think it slows the pacing more than the worth and prefer to fill it in mentally. The one I actively dislike is the Newt's family scenes. I personally find it a little on the nose that her family was the one in particular that blundered into the derelict. I get that movie plots are often a string of coincidences but that's one too many for me.
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Dec 22, 2021 16:41
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I can totally understand that it’s a heck of a coincidence that it’s Newt’s family that finds the Derelict, but I think it’s meant to kind of pull double duty of showing the inciting incident of the colony’s downfall as well as show Newt “before” and how she acted and the fact that she had a family and she was happy, as a contrast to how she is when the Marines find her. I think it’s a bit of a balancing act - if you want to show the “before” of the colony and establish Newt, do you show the family independent of the Derelict exploration eating dinner or whatever and then omit the Derelict scene altogether and just stick with the colony execs talking about how they’re told to check a grid reference? Or do you stretch things out with a scene of totally unrelated characters finding the Derelict? Seeing the Derelict again is a pretty great “oh poo poo” moment if you’ve seen the first movie. I’m also biased though because I love the Derelict’s design. I dunno. Ultimately I’m not bothered by the scene, but I get the criticisms of it, though I also get that Cameron was trying to accomplish like 3 things at once with the scene.
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Dec 22, 2021 16:56
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It’s not a coincidence that newt’s family finds the derelict It’s the story that was told
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Dec 22, 2021 17:03
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Not that any of this is in the movie but it's easy to imagine a scenario where Newt's survival is in some way connected to her family discovering the derelict. Like, she may have been traumatized by what she saw and then the colonists are doing tests on the facehuggers as if nothing is wrong and she's like gently caress this I'm gonna go make a secret hideout so I don't get eaten by the monsters like the rest of these idiots. In that case it wouldn't be a coincidence it would be a necessary chain of events leading to Newt's survival.
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Dec 22, 2021 17:07
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I don’t have to imagine that….that’s the movie lol. I mean we don’t see it but it’s implied she’s smart enough to know when poo poo goes south she hides.
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Dec 22, 2021 17:16
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Darko posted:I can swear the television cut of Aliens I recorded as a kid and watched a billion times had the sentry guns and daughter but no Newts father. Searching the Internet has other people seeing this cut as well. You are 100% correct, some tv broadcasts and even at least one VHS release in Europe had the sentry gun scene but not the other scenes that were added to make the 1991 laser disk special edition which is what is now called its director's cut. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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Dec 22, 2021 17:20
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CelticPredator posted:I don’t have to imagine that….that’s the movie lol. I mean we don’t see it but it’s implied she’s smart enough to know when poo poo goes south she hides.
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Dec 22, 2021 17:23
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Neo Rasa posted:You are 100% correct, some tv broadcasts and even at least one VHS release in Europe had the sentry gun scene but not the other scenes that were added to make the 1991 laser disk special edition which is what is now called its director's cut. Yeah, i think a lot of 80s TV releases were doing that "add a scene you didn't see in the movie to make this a special broadcast" which is probably how it aired then. Kind of like The Thing always having the dog escape at the end of the TV version (it took me years to "overwrite" that ending when thinking about the movie).
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Dec 22, 2021 18:20
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I definitely remember seeing the sentry guns on TV in like 90 or 91. Later when I bought the box set of Alien, Aliens and The making of Alien3 on VHS I felt super bamboozled that they were gone.
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Dec 22, 2021 20:34
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Darko posted:I can swear the television cut of Aliens I recorded as a kid and watched a billion times had the sentry guns and daughter but no Newts father. Searching the Internet has other people seeing this cut as well.
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Dec 23, 2021 02:28
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Darko posted:Yeah, i think a lot of 80s TV releases were doing that "add a scene you didn't see in the movie to make this a special broadcast" which is probably how it aired then. Kind of like The Thing always having the dog escape at the end of the TV version (it took me years to "overwrite" that ending when thinking about the movie). A really interesting TV version of a movie is Repo Man. Because of the amount of profanity/content in it cutting what they felt was inappropriate made it like 35 minutes long so to make it feature length the broadcast version is a significantly different movie made from deleted scenes and alternate takes. I think my favorite will always be CBS' broadcast version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Special Longer Version. Because that's already not exactly a fast paced flick and because it's literally titled Special Longer Version.
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Dec 23, 2021 03:45
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Neo Rasa posted:A really interesting TV version of a movie is Repo Man. Because of the amount of profanity/content in it cutting what they felt was inappropriate made it like 35 minutes long so to make it feature length the broadcast version is a significantly different movie made from deleted scenes and alternate takes. Probably the version I saw as a kid and why I absolutely hated the movie.
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Dec 23, 2021 04:00
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Yeah it was like 10 more minutes of the already 3 hour "we have a new model" establishing shot sequence of the new enterprise
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Dec 23, 2021 04:37
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Xenomrph posted:The one you’re thinking about with the Native American came out and it’s great. It did Portals before Portal did, and even had portal tech functioning in its early builds circa like 1998, which is nuts. Well this is a delightful surprise that made my day!
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Dec 23, 2021 09:16
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https://twitter.com/chetfaliszek/status/1474189860642590741?t=S6ZRVDD3JFDj_Bu0hfw4sg&s=19
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Dec 24, 2021 09:33
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ScottyJSno posted:https://twitter.com/chetfaliszek/status/1474189860642590741?t=S6ZRVDD3JFDj_Bu0hfw4sg&s=19 theyre right
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Dec 24, 2021 13:38
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MacheteZombie posted:The theatrical. I like some things from the directors cut but not all of it. Shameful. The DC is better: alien signal, the Xeno hangning from the chains/blood shower, eggmorphing, xeno smashing the box with Jonesy, and some more I’m probably forgetting made it a much more disturbing film
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Dec 24, 2021 16:09
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Amazon descriptions over the past year have gotten very curt and shorter than they've ever been and I loving love it. gently caress clicking through like two layers of "show more" just to see what a movie is about. Like now Predator is just "A sneaky alien monster attacks commandos on a jungle mission in South America." For real look at a bunch of flicks on there it's amazing: Halloween is "Michael Meyers comes home to kill." Halloween III is "A doctor uncovers a Halloween scheme." Hellraiser VIII: "A Hellraiser video game becomes popular." Jaws: The Revenge: "Another shark attacks the Brody family." PERFECT. Also can't forget my personal favorite Amazon plot description for a movie of all time: 
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Dec 24, 2021 16:14
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MLSM posted:Shameful. The egg morphing is cool
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Dec 24, 2021 16:40
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MacheteZombie posted:The egg morphing is cool It really, really breaks the pacing.
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Dec 24, 2021 22:19
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Darko posted:It really, really breaks the pacing. i agree its a cool scene but is also unnecessary to the plot and slows the escape sequence down to a crawl
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Dec 24, 2021 22:33
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Shift it and it’s better.
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Dec 24, 2021 23:06
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Just wondering if the DC could be edited cleanly to have Ripley run off after finding Parker and Lambert dead, discover Dallas being eggmorphed, and then use that as the final impetus to blow up the ship? Might need some audio editing to mute all the sirens.
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Dec 25, 2021 00:01
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Payndz posted:Just wondering if the DC could be edited cleanly to have Ripley run off after finding Parker and Lambert dead, discover Dallas being eggmorphed, and then use that as the final impetus to blow up the ship? Might need some audio editing to mute all the sirens.
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Dec 25, 2021 00:03
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Is Hudson's dropship speech actually not in the theatrical cut of Aliens at all? Or is it just truncated?
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Dec 25, 2021 00:47
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Mister Speaker posted:Is Hudson's dropship speech actually not in the theatrical cut of Aliens at all? Or is it just truncated?
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Dec 25, 2021 05:02
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drat, that's a trip. It's easily one of my favourite and most-familiar-feeling parts of the film, I remember it as clearly as ever. The pre-infestation Hadley's Hope scenes, on the other hand, immediately felt like something new when I intentionally watched the DC a few years ago.
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Dec 25, 2021 05:29
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They're deckin' the halls. They're deckin' the goddamn halls!
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A reminder to everyone in this thread that Prometheus is a Christmas movie.
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