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Centrist Committee posted:I don’t think this is a useful anthropomorphism. capital doesn’t have hopes and it isn’t a unified thing. if anything, the last 40 years of anti-climate change propaganda and the last president to check the use of nuclear weapons getting domed in texas should go to show capitalism for the apocalyptic death cult that it is. no, while disney may see profit opportunities in china, I see the finance and knowledge wing of the imperium about to get routed by the industrial and extractivist wing. It is just where the profit motive is at, and at a certain point, the ability to extract more from the West will be eclipsed by China and allied economies.
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my bony fealty posted:it is a wise question to consider - did jfk do it out of incompetence and saving face, or did he really believe he could tame the beast? the magic bullet didn't care The man was a blue-blooded scion and a himbo, what do you think
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What if... JFK was the 20th century Justin Trudeau/Macron/Guaido...
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Has any American president hosed more than ol' John Fitzgerald?
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Fish of hemp posted:Has any American president hosed more than ol' John Fitzgerald? I'm sure Bill had his fill on the Lolita Express
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the FAA wasn't yet equipped to bring JFK to his potential, bill probably wins
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Fish of hemp posted:Has any American president hosed more than ol' John Fitzgerald? LBJ hosed more on accident than Kennedy ever did on purpose.
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everyone would lose if ww3 were to happen
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I'm really looking forward to the time when Chinese sanctions mean vastly more than American ones. 20 years or so I reckon.
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Weka posted:I'm really looking forward to the time when Chinese sanctions mean vastly more than American ones. 20 years or so I reckon.
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guys stop worrying about hypersonic missiles NORAD demonstrates it’s tracker every year. https://www.noradsanta.org/
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indigi posted:sanctions usually hurt the working class so if hope China isn’t as “liberal” with them as the US has been. actually i think you will find that reactionary behavior is fuckin awesome when it's the other team doing it
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indigi posted:sanctions usually hurt the working class so if hope China isn’t as “liberal” with them as the US has been. There's a really good episode of the ALAB podcast where they talk about how sanctions are essentially the evolution of modern warfare. In that under the kind of total war that became common from the US Civil War and Crimea all the way through Vietnam, just attacking and defeating the enemy's military on the battlefield was insufficient to bring about surrender. So military tactics evolved to attacking enemy infrastructure, destroying their capacity to make war. The ALAB podcast thesis was that whether you're dropping a bomb on a ball bearings factory or sanctioning some part of a country's economy, the effect is largely the same at a macro level. Both cause a drop in economic output, and if the drop is sufficiently large, the working class in a country begin to suffer in much the same way. The point is that the western populace views sanctions as "humane" but in reality they are designed to produce the same kind of as conventional warfare, and largely achieve the same effect, just without pictures of people blown apart that offend liberal sensibilities. Wishing for China to emulate this kind of sanctions regime is wishing for China to simply dethrone the US as the preeminent imperial power and become no different than the US.
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we live in an era of unprecedented peace only in that most people don't comprehend the breadth of what constitutes violence
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Wheeee posted:we live in an era of unprecedented peace only in that most people don't comprehend the breadth of what constitutes violence
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indigi posted:sanctions usually hurt the working class so if hope China isn’t as “liberal” with them as the US has been. Do you support BDS?
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An entire city of people being coerced to "work" to survive is basically the same as genghis khan having an entire city beheaded with axes
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did genghis kahn ever sack a church full of worshippers or a nightclub or a school of young jedi???
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Azathoth posted:Wishing for China to emulate this kind of sanctions regime is wishing for China to simply dethrone the US as the preeminent imperial power and become no different than the US. this is true, but what if I really, really hate America?
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:Do you support BDS? lol swing and a miss
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Wheeee posted:we live in an era of unprecedented peace only in that most people don't comprehend the breadth of what constitutes violence
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indigi posted:lol swing and a miss israels trade unionist org also doesnt support BDS, for the same reasons.
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Wheeee posted:we live in an era of unprecedented peace only in that most people don't comprehend the breadth of what constitutes violence being forced to display a 3rd party card for everything
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ErrorInvalidUser posted:being forced to display a 3rd party card for everything political cartoon, two syringes labeled DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS in front of a school labeled TWO DOSES REQUIRED FOR ENTRY
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Wheeee posted:we live in an era of unprecedented peace only in that most people don't comprehend the breadth of what constitutes violence it's like how people think of the Cold War as an era of peace just because Europeans weren't killing each other for once, even though according to one recent book on the subject more than 20 million people died in violent conflict from 1945-90, or as the author puts it, on average 1200 people died in wars every day for 45 years. We outsourced our wars to constant low-level violence in poor countries and then treated it like an era of peace and prosperity.
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Doesn't America do two types of sanctions, one where anything to do with a country is sanctioned and another where they target specific people or companies? If China refuses to do business with narrowly targeted groups and their associates I can see it working. Whether they continue their general policy of preferring the carrot to the stick when they are top dog remains to be seen.
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what book is this from, because it sounds hilarious
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Cerebral Bore posted:what book is this from, because it sounds hilarious "About Face", by Col. David Hackworth and yes, it's a very entertaining look into the institutional rot of the US military, but especially because Hackworth really likes soldiering, and so these criticisms come from someone that's already predisposed to want the Army to be better in the first place
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that’s a solid read, btw. and there is a great deal of support for his heterodox take on things along officers.
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that's pretty interesting. does he talk about pre-UCMJ army discipline? as far as I know if you had a nutcase CO it was a pretty easy way to get tortured and abused
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Yeah, we don’t know past Korea how the US military would actually hold up in a genuine hot war. Everything from that point was a comparative cakewalk where usually the US could dominant the battlefield with air power and usually only lost though long term insurgency. What happens when local commanders, not used to the responsibility, have to take direct control over units? How do US ground forces fare when the air space is actually contested? Usually US forces can call on immediate air support (it has its issues) when needed but that very well may not be the case in a more contested setting: wargaming that takes into account modern Chinese/Russian equipment in BVR (beyond visual range fights) is ending up far more mixed then even 10 years ago. It is why I have been arguing that the West very well be arguably weaker than they appear in a hot war setting. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:22 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, we don’t know past Korea how the US military would actually hold up in a genuine hot war. Everything from that point was a comparative cakewalk where usually the US could dominant the battlefield with air power and usually only lost though long term insurgency. The west also relies heavily on vehicles and technology like NVGs and comms. Jamming and hacking any of these has dire consequences for the people on the ground, and its already been incorporated into exercises.
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Blue team repeatedly loses against Red team, and then they change the rules and reset the exercises so Blue team wins because Red team isn't allowed to do the things that mean they win. When challenged on this, the US military responds by saying "well we budgeted a week for this exercise and Red team sank all our assets in the first two days so of course we're going to reset so we can do five more days of exercises and keep learning." The problem with this argument is that they don't learn anything from it, because when they run the next wargame a few years later they get demolished by Red team yet again. It's clear that they aren't just less dominant than they think they are, but also that they've fallen into institutional traps where they're so convinced of their own dominance that they find some way to handwave away anything that challenges that paradigm. Probably, if I had to take a guess, because the way to get promoted in the US military is to be the biggest booster of that paradigm, and so all the top brass as well as all the influential careerist ladder-climbers who want to be the top brass ten years from now either refuse to believe or refuse to acknowledge the institutional flaws because acknowledging them is a career-killer.
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skooma512 posted:The west also relies heavily on vehicles and technology like NVGs and comms. Jamming and hacking any of these has dire consequences for the people on the ground, and its already been incorporated into exercises. Yeah, and obviously both the Russians and Chinese are doing everything possible to potentially disrupt communications. I think though it gets into the central issue is that the US military has essentially become a colonial force used to conflicts where jamming or a contested air space. It is why we just ignore wargames but also I think why the last major intervention was Libya. Also, the US maintenance system is also completely insane. Private contractors are routinely flown out overseas while actual maintenance companies stand idle (for obvious reasons). How is that crap suppose to fly during an actual war? Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:58 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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I'm reading La Débâcle by Zola about the 1870 Franco-Prussian war and the ensuing suppression of the Paris Commune, and I can't shake the possibility that after a smashing defeat the US military promptly turns around and crushes domestic leftist movements
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the point of wargames is to expose weaknesses, in addition to maintaining readiness among personnel. they they always go back and reset to a win condition is for political and morale purposes this idea that America’s armed forces are a paper tiger is wishful thinking and people should be horrified at the idea of a real war in the modern era
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