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I don't think we need to tell people what to do about Kickstarter. I think we need to warn people of the issues with Kickstarter, but if they want to spend their money on Kickstarters that's on them.
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Dec 25, 2021 17:52
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Kickstarter runs on fomo, but if something is good you can just get it later + extras for cheap
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Mayveena posted:I don't think we need to tell people what to do about Kickstarter. I think we need to warn people of the issues with Kickstarter, but if they want to spend their money on Kickstarters that's on them. How is that different than telling somebody Talisman is a bad game? Don’t buy kickstarter gsmes is a really good blanket rule and it somebody wants to know why it can be explained in more detail, just like any other recommendation we put in here.
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Dec 25, 2021 18:01
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talisman is not a bad game. what is wrong with you freaks?!?
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Dec 25, 2021 18:03
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Plenty of good games I got through kickstarter that I am glad to have in my collection
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Dec 25, 2021 18:05
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FirstAidKite posted:Might play the Boss Babe board game later today. Might not. A world brimming with choices awaits me. I will think about doing them and then probably just sleep instead. Gotta learn how to play board games in my dreams. Guy who has only played Boss Babe, playing his second board game: Getting a lot of 'Boss Babe' vibes from this...
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Crackbone posted:How is that different than telling somebody Talisman is a bad game? Don’t buy kickstarter gsmes is a really good blanket rule and it somebody wants to know why it can be explained in more detail, just like any other recommendation we put in here. A lot of people use Kickstarter sensibly. Perhaps for you it's inherently bad or evil but we won't be listened to if we blanket say Kickstarter is bad. It's like Minecraft in Management games. Minecraft is genuinely a bad game, however we reference it in the Management Games thread because it's the biggest game on the planet. And Kickstarter is the biggest board game service out there. So we need to acknowledge it and explain its pitfalls.
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Dec 25, 2021 18:16
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Don’t buy Kickstarter games because they’re a crypto site now is a suggestion I can get behind. But I agree in general, for newcomers there is zero reason to wade into the KS part of the hobby when there are hundreds of good games actually available now.
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Dec 25, 2021 18:27
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Bottom Liner posted:Don’t buy Kickstarter games because they’re a crypto site now is a suggestion I can get behind. Yeah just explain why.
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Dec 25, 2021 18:52
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Here's my list of games good enough to mention in the OP Worker Placement Caylus | Medium Feast for Odin | Heavy The Gallerist | Heavy Action Selection/Unique Mechanic Concordia | Medium Endeavor | Medium Great Western Trail | Medium Orleans | Medium Brass Birmingham | Heavy Gaia Project | Heavy Auction The Estates | Light Keyflower | Medium Dudes on a Map Pax Pamir 2E | Medium Inis | Medium Dominant Species | Heavy Free-Form Logistics (Splotter) Bus | Medium Great Zimbabwe | Medium Indonesia | Heavy FCM | Heavy
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Dec 25, 2021 18:54
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Except that a lot of Kickstarter games aren’t available in similarity elsewhere. Maybe the cube pushers (Weather Machine ~ Lisboa), but not the more experimental games. Someone tell me where I can buy a game like Etherfields or Vampire Chapters right now. PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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Dec 25, 2021 18:57
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Mayveena posted:Yeah just explain why. This is the reasonable take. What's with the posters who want the new OP to just be tailored to them and their opinions instead of information to help people better understand the current state of the hobby?
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Dec 25, 2021 18:58
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Bottom Liner posted:Don’t buy Kickstarter games because they’re a crypto site now is a suggestion I can get behind. I can't believe you would say that. What if money were beautiful? Celo, pronounced /ˈtselo/ means ‘purpose’ in Esperanto. The spirit of Esperanto and auxiliary languages, is to equip speakers with a means to connect, engage, and build trust with someone who speaks a different native tongue. In a similar spirit, we are aiming to create a new platform to connect people globally and bring financial stability to those who need it most. We believe blockchain technology is one of the most exciting innovations in recent history and as a team we look to push the boundaries of what is possible with it today. More importantly, we are driven by purpose – to solve real-world problems such as lack of access to sound currency, or friction for cash-transfer programs aimed to alleviate poverty.
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Dec 25, 2021 19:00
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Kickstarter for board games has been great, but nobody relying on OP for suggestions should use it. And gently caress crypto.
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Kickstarter just wants to use blockchain so they can claim they’ve decentralized and not be liable for refunds / bad projects and make it so people can sell their pledges. They can say they have no part in any transaction and just connect backers and creators. They don’t give a poo poo about “crypto”, it’s the “not a store” thing they’ve been emphasizing more.
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Slimy Hog posted:This is the reasonable take. People who have been in the hobby so much they forget what it’s like to be new to it. I’ve had problems teaching Deep Sea Adventure to people, much less something like TTR or Catan. Azul is my go-to recommendation and gift game for people who are conceptually interested in games. It’s very pretty, good tactile bits, and you can do rules as you play (a hugely important thing for people) The value of introductory games is that you have about 5 minutes of attention span in a person not really into games to get them engaged. This is not the person reading the OP, it’s the people they are playing with. Anyone who is actively interested in the hobby and is making time and patience for rules/learning can play, anything even an 18xx. So I think an OP needs like two sections: 1. Are you just poking your head in to see what’s up? Need a game to get through a family event or amuse your kids? Check out Target or other big box store, they actually have decent selections, look for XYZ. Don’t read the thread. Here’s some next step games if you like those. 2. Are you a sicko hobbyist? Do you want some fuckin cubes? Did you just finish a graduate program overseas and you haven’t thought about board games in 5 years? (A real conversation i had recently) This is the poo poo to get into. Megasabin posted:Here's my list of games good enough to mention in the OP This is all sicko hobbyist stuff for instance. None of these games are good for an introduction, but they are very good.
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Dec 25, 2021 19:55
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You know what gently caress it, just make the OP a direct link to whatever the newest CMON Zombicide KS is.
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Dec 25, 2021 19:59
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Slimy Hog posted:This is the reasonable take. Current state of the hobby kinda sucks if you’re looking for anything new. There’s a good uptick in easy to get 18xx, but euros have gotten more complex over time without any real benefit, KS is mostly filled with bloated minis games or yet another midweight euro, and LGS are filled with both the MWEs and latest roll and write spinoffs. Now, if you don’t have any of those they’re mostly interchangeable and go hog wild, but they’re not like evergreens like a Knizia or dominion which continue to be staples 10, 20+ years. So if you’re gonna have an OP that talks about the best in genre games, you’re still going to put T&E, samurai, and modern art in there. They’re still the best in class in TYOOL 2021. Now distribution issues and access is another matter. Blue lagoon or Babylonia might be the play if you can’t get the originals. But they’re mostly even, though I see concessions of the more odorous contemporary euro design in them. Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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Dec 25, 2021 20:07
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Honestly, the best way to get into the hobby these days is probably the game section at Target. Move past the party games and the IPs(and even some of those are really good) and they've got a pretty solid selection.
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Though don’t get me wrong I keep falling into the trap of buying cute af euros featuring animals. They turn out to be milquetoast and mostly solitary puzzles and not the next Knizia.  My complaint there is there is nothing stopping anyone from sticking cute animal meeples into the next samurai and T&E. Heck, TTD has pastel camels!
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El Fideo posted:Honestly, the best way to get into the hobby these days is probably the game section at Target. Move past the party games and the IPs(and even some of those are really good) and they've got a pretty solid selection. I would agree that having a section of "generally available at target and is good" might be a very helpful section.
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Dec 25, 2021 20:16
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Slimy Hog posted:This is the reasonable take. I hope my list and reasoning doesn’t come off this way. I do think player count and weight is the best way to organize an OP of recommended games.
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Dec 25, 2021 20:33
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Feels like y’all are over complicating this. Have a section called “if you’re new to modern board games” and gather the lists I’ve seen in the last couple pages. Stick to the easier stuff. Have a section called “if you’ve played a few++ modern board games” that says “tell us what you like and what you liked about it and we’ll take it from there.” That’s all you need.
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Dec 25, 2021 20:40
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ignore that poster, we should write a CYOA that leads you to the board game of your needs
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Crackbone posted:You know what gently caress it, just make the OP a direct link to whatever the newest CMON Zombicide KS is. This is quite the reaction. Are you okay? Fate Accomplice posted:Feels like y’all are over complicating this. This is another reasonable take
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Megasabin posted:Dudes on a Map I consider Dominant Species to be worker placement but other than that I think weight is an interesting thing here. I would have put Dominant Species as the lightest of the three. Its certainly longer but its not complicated as such, whilst Pax Pamir has some fairly difficult choices in it. Is weight partially a function of length? I think it certainly can be, I would certainly alway choose short games as intro games.
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Fate Accomplice posted:Feels like y’all are over complicating this. Yeah pretty much this, i’m just 
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Speaking with both my poster and moderator hats on, I'd prefer it if the new thread allowed discussion of Kickstarted games even if the recommendation is 'don't'. Which is probably just a matter of phrasing if you put that clause in there.
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Dec 25, 2021 23:34
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Oh yeah for sure, no one is saying "never discuss kickstarters" just that the advice for new players getting into the hobby will be "generally avoid until you get a good sense of what you like and don't like"
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potatocubed posted:Speaking with both my poster and moderator hats on, I'd prefer it if the new thread allowed discussion of Kickstarted games even if the recommendation is 'don't'. Which is probably just a matter of phrasing if you put that clause in there. If we didn't talk about kickstarter games that would rule out Gloomhaven and Spirit Island which would obviously be insane. Backing kickstarters is fraught business because unless you know roughly what you're looking at it hard to tell what's going to be good or bad. That generally makes them bad for people new to boardgames but certainly shouldn't place them off limits.
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Yeah, I thought that was a given. "Don't recommend Kickstarters in the OP" <> "Don't recommend Kickstarters", much less discuss them.
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OP needs to have something about Kickstarter games in it. Not necessarily a recommendation or whatever, but it’s a big platform and AAA publishers are using it more and more. I wouldn’t put a red for or against, just a note of what it is and why your game will probably be six months late. Also, a link to RATS High Tea at Seas
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Aramoro posted:If we didn't talk about kickstarter games that would rule out Gloomhaven and Spirit Island which would obviously be insane. My interpretation was "if you are new to the hobby, there's no reason to back a kickstarter for a new game", not "don't discuss anything that was previously in kickstarter", which seems like more than reasonable advice.
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More of a 'check out any of these thousands of good games readily available instead of backing something unproven that probably won't be out for years while you're still figuring out your tastes', really.
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This happened before so someone better be getting busy writing that OP just about now. I’ll be hanging like a sword of Damocles on this thread until then
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Dec 26, 2021 00:35
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 GF coming in with the random cool board game for xmas. BGG says it's 8/10
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Dec 26, 2021 00:40
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My wife spent a bunch of money during the Hollandspiele sale
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GreenBuckanneer posted:
For a moment I thought this was an Age of Sigmar product due to the font.
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I got two games for Christmas this year. The Great Zimbabwe and Pass the Pigs: Big Pig Edition. The extreme difference amused me greatly, but I have fond memories of Pass the Pigs growing up and this is my first Splotter so I'm excited for both.
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