Poil posted:

Can you put a paralyze rune in a wall of fire?

The passive buffs like protection against magic and a small boost to magicka regen respectively are pretty good in my opinion.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

hist posess a deadra-like level of care for their followers and made a backroom deal with the tribunal. that's why as soon as the reclamations are back the argonians are suddenly capable of invading morowind and driving telvanni and dres to near extinction

Whorelord posted:

Actually that's another point. Why were the Argonians able to take out the Telvanni, who forced the Tribunal at their height to put up with them openly mocking their religion due to them being so powerful, yet are also defeated by the Redoran who had no real reason to even still exist after everything that happened?

Whorelord posted:

Actually that's another point. Why were the Argonians able to take out the Telvanni, who forced the Tribunal at their height to put up with them openly mocking their religion due to them being so powerful, yet are also defeated by the Redoran who had no real reason to even still exist after everything that happened?

RBA Starblade posted:

Is there an anti-hist of some sort? Perhaps located in a mine?

RBA Starblade posted:

Is there an anti-hist of some sort? Perhaps located in a mine?

A.o.D. posted:

The dunmer weren't an existential threat to the hist trees, the Dagonite oblivion invasion was. So you didnt get slaxheel super soldiers during the hundreds of years of Dres slavery. As soon as some pissant Daedra stepped out of a gate brought to you by the daedric letter O and shouted "For lord Dagon!" you had a thousand Captain Black Marshes jumping out of the (potentially literal) woodwork.

Whorelord posted:

Actually that's another point. Why were the Argonians able to take out the Telvanni, who forced the Tribunal at their height to put up with them openly mocking their religion due to them being so powerful, yet are also defeated by the Redoran who had no real reason to even still exist after everything that happened?

Whorelord posted:

That or the whole thing is propaganda spread by the lizard Khmer Rouge in charge of Black Marsh now.

RBA Starblade posted:

Is there an anti-hist of some sort? Perhaps located in a mine?

Whorelord posted:

Actually that's another point. Why were the Argonians able to take out the Telvanni, who forced the Tribunal at their height to put up with them openly mocking their religion due to them being so powerful, yet are also defeated by the Redoran who had no real reason to even still exist after everything that happened?

Wolfsheim posted:

I always assumed the Argonian invasion only happened because the Dunmer got smacked by the double whammy of the Oblivion crisis and then Red Mountain erupting, so they were especially vulnerable. But maybe that timeline is wrong!

Flytrap posted:

If I'm remembering my lore right, it goes

1. Get absolutely hosed during the Oblivion Crisis. Telvani were useless and just animated a giant dead mudcrab (didn't work), Hllalu found they cannot buy off Daedra, and Redoran did basically everything by themselves after they finally managed to gather their forces after the sneak attack. They were at best able to hold them off and break even, but would have absolutely died if Martin hadn't sacrificed himself.

2. Vivec peaces out without explanation. He doesn't bother to fix the meteor trap he set up before he left, so time begins for it and it crashes into the Red Mountain, setting off the single largest and most powerful volcano in all of Tamriel. Hundreds of people are incinerated instantly, thousands more and smothered in ash. Telvani does nothing because cleaning up would be tedious. Hllalu cannot pay off a volcano either. Redoran, once again, does all the heavy lifting of cleaning and moving medical supplies.

3. Black Marsh, still high on the joy of eating a few hundred Daedra by sneak attacking their sneak attack, look across the border and see their ancestral nemesis burning alive. They grab their spears and go on a revenge spree while their still scattered. They take most of south Morrowind, including Vivec City, which is why the Dunmer have a new capital by Skyrim. The Telvani, yet again, do nothing. Doing something would mean caring about something other than their research. I imagine most of them didn't even know it was happening. Capitalism doesn't work on an army of mini Godzillas, so Hllalu is one again screwed. House Redoran, once more, fights off the Argonians basically alone. They don't get rid of them entirely, but they do take a few miles back.



And that's why Redoran is basically the de facto head House now, Telvani wizards are just kind of wherever, and Hllalu is down to some lovely farm in the frozen rear end in a top hat of Skyrim.

Jack B Nimble posted:

It's probably also Canon that the Nerevarine exposed Dren as being in league with the sixth house, and that whole scheme represented the hard edge of House Hlaluu.

Also, the Neverarine also had to mysteriously peace out during the Oblivion crisis because otherwise players would ask why the PC who routinely mugged Dremora for their weapons wasn't dealing with everything happening there. I think it was only like 15 years after Morrowind and most PCs would still be quite capable of sorting all that out.

Flytrap posted:

3. Black Marsh, still high on the joy of eating a few hundred Daedra... They take most of south Morrowind, including Vivec City, which is why the Dunmer have a new capital by Skyrim.

MH Knights posted:

I replayed Skyrim last year and and actually tried to see if the new capital, Blacklight, was visible in some way. Nope. You can see Red Mountain but no trace of Blacklight. Though at least Blacklight could exist on Skyrim's map, unlike Online's...

Wolfsheim posted:

Don't you remember your Oblivion NPC dialogue? The Nerevarine left for a farm upstatean expedition to Akavir never to be seen or heard from again. Which I guess is a slightly better fate than accidentally becoming Sheogorath.

Orange Crush Rush posted:

Also I’m pretty sure TLDB’s eventual fate is to replace Miraak as Mora’s main poo poo puppet which isn’t great either.

Orange Crush Rush posted:

Also I’m pretty sure TLDB’s eventual fate is to replace Miraak as Mora’s main poo poo puppet which isn’t great either.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

look i got like 14 daedra lords who are all convinced i'm going to serve them in the afterlife

Lawman 0 posted:

That's the art of the deal baby!
Anyways Herma-Mora is pretty much the number one demon dad in my book since his artifact in every game is great and he's pretty chill about it.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Like the Simpsons diseases trying to jam through the door I’m pretty sure they end up cancelling each other out

Orange Crush Rush posted:

The big theory is because TLDB is basically a Dragon in the body of a Man/Mer, Big Daddy Akatosh would just swoop in and carry it off to whatever form of Afterlife he is responsible for and there wasn’t much else anyone could really do.
Of course, if Mora just traps TLDB in Apocrophya forever and doesn’t let TLDB ever die like Miraak, well…

TheLoneStar posted:

I'm pretty sure this is outright said in the game, isn't it? I think it's said that the Last Dragonborn will go to Sovngarde when he dies.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

i played as a basic bitch nord warrior trying to do everything since this was my first time in skyrim in years (i last played before special edition came out) i've gotten enough achievements and am bored with that so i'm going to actually roleplay now. what mods beside the unoffical skyrim patch should i use?

Orange Crush Rush posted:

That’s what Tsun says yeah, but funnily enough if you challenge via Trial of Shadow he says “your doom is already bound to your Dark Mistress.” But then again maybe he didn’t realize you are actually Dragonborn until you slay Alduin, which probably does override anything else.

Asterite34 posted:

I'm pretty sure the Telvanni noticed the Argonian invasion, they targeted them specifically along with House Dres. Like by the time of Skyrim there's one, maybe two, direct Telvanni heirs left.

And yet they still came out of all that mess better than Hlaalu, collaborators with an Empire that no longer exists

Everyone posted:

Flytrap posted:

Right, I probably should have put more stock in the word of the woman who has to learn in Skyrim of all places and the shopkeep with the tragic shipwrecked backstory of being one of the last of the Telvanni over the guy in the mushroom tower--a man who is very well established as being 90% arrogance by volume--saying "nah man we're cool ain't nobody can gently caress with the Telvanni".

DoriDori240 posted:

Neloth is the best NPC in TESV, fight me.