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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I've said this before many times but the fzr250 is objectively superior :colbert:

E: while I'm here I've just been informed my mate's missus' father has just bought his twelfth lambretta

I've recently come to realize that when someone calls themselves a 'collector' 95% of the time it just means they're a hoarder who figured out a way to integrate their illness within social norms

Slavvy fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 25, 2021

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Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

Stage an intervention before it comes to this

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Just imagine being so lost, so utterly devoid of any corporeal or spiritual anchor, that you wake up one day and decide that building a bespoke trellis chassis to fit the old-style pregnant swan vespa drivetrain is your calling.

Geekboy
Aug 21, 2005

Now that's what I call a geekMAN!
This is my real reason for never becoming a real mechanic. I can’t talk myself into trying that kind of project if I know I still have to Google where to find the spark plug.

I didn’t even finish typing that before I realized how silly it was. If dudes only took on projects that were actually in their skill range, Slavvy wouldn’t have a job.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Well we wouldn't have to if engineers would put things in logical damned spots :rant:

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Slavvy posted:

Just imagine being so lost, so utterly devoid of any corporeal or spiritual anchor, that you wake up one day and decide that building a bespoke trellis chassis to fit the old-style pregnant swan vespa drivetrain is your calling.


It could be worse. Being forced to design CUVs in silver to pump out to the masses.



Geekboy posted:

This is my real reason for never becoming a real mechanic. I can’t talk myself into trying that kind of project if I know I still have to Google where to find the spark plug.

That part is actually kind of fun. Its everything else that comes with being a mechanic that's complete and total bullshit.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

cursedshitbox posted:

That part is actually kind of fun. Its everything else that comes with being a mechanic that's complete and total bullshit.

Could you expand on this? I'm considering a career change into a mechanic.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




How do you feel about doing customer support on randos old windows xp computers that they’ve used to click on every single email link they’ve gotten?

Being a motorcycle mechanic is the same thing I’d imagine.

As much flack as slavvy sometimes catches for his attitude here I imagine in reality he has to actually have the patience of a saint.

Deeters
Aug 21, 2007


My dad was a Harley mechanic and then service manager for drat near 30 years. He finally quit this past year and took a significant pay cut with an assembly job. He just seems happier in general now.

Working on bikes is fun. Dealing with the owners is not.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

How do you feel about doing customer support on randos old windows xp computers that they’ve used to click on every single email link they’ve gotten?

Being a motorcycle mechanic is the same thing I’d imagine.

As much flack as slavvy sometimes catches for his attitude here I imagine in reality he has to actually have the patience of a saint.


While being paid bullshit wages*. Sure, you can suck the lead tech's unwashed cock for table scraps, or you could bang out consistent poo poo jobs for a lower pay. Its also cyclical and if there's not hours coming in there's not hours on your check.**
Requiring you to make your own investments in the tooling to earn your means. The tool truck will absolutely take you for a ride. Estate sales and fleamarkets are where its at.
While also holding all of the liability if anything goes wrong.
The benefits package is "the job" and fuckelse. Fine-ish when you are 20, not fine when you are 40.
In techsupport, there's protections for race, gender, and orientation. This is not the case in a shop***.
The owners of whatever it is you're stuck to working on, mostly wants the cheapest option with some sort of handout on top of it because you're not getting hosed enough already. Their vehicle is always in maintenance debt and gross as hell.
A good service writer can make or break the shop, those are rare and typically do not last under the shop owner's poo poo or above a handful of techs with varying personalities.

*dedicated fleet maintenance tends to take better care of their own.
** flag rate/book hour vs being paid hourly... or even salary.
*** small shops are way more fly by night and violate these sort of things than say fleet maint.

I've had offers from some moto shops that rivaled some of the higher paying auto/diesel shops but they wanted 100% dedication to their bullshit over my personal life and desire for advancing my professional skills toolkit.

I did it for a while and went on to other things. I ran my own shop for a while which went well. Pity it was in a poo poo part of the country. I tried helping a goon dig their shop out of the well but their aging family member and lead tech kept sticking their cock in something already hosed. That's where I hung it up professionally.
If you like to wrench as a hobby, keep it that way. Years later I go through periods where I hate working on vehicles and need a break from it all.
Builds are always fun, breaking a build, also fun. Builds aren't fun when its the same suspect sub assembly making GBS threads itself over and over while giving you the finger. Building some one off solution to cover its lovely unwiped rear end, is fun.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Speaking for myself only:

I hate all jobs. I hate the concept of a job, I hate that we live in a society that makes everyone have one. I hate bosses and forms and heirarchy and water coolers and uniforms and promotions and offices and I especially hate taking orders from people dumber and less competent than me. I literally can't do it, it makes me feel like my skeleton wants to climb out of my flesh.

I started out as a car mechanic because of gently caress-you-parents reasons. I should've stuck to engineering cause I'd be a lot richer but hey.

After that it was, in hindsight, an inevitable sequence of leaving my first 'real' job because my boss was an incompetent psycho, followed by another job that was better, until the owner decided to switch business models from branded dealer to import and compliance. At that point my job changed from diagnosing interesting warranty issues on near new cars, to taking interiors and wheels out of horrific jdm imports, so I said gently caress it and decided to work for myself, on bikes, which by that point had entirely taken over my interest (I will never touch another car that doesn't belong to me).

It seems to be fairly similar to IT: people who have no idea what they're doing ruin their poo poo, expect you to wipe their arse, then expect to haggle with you over how much it costs despite being completely unable to do the job themselves. Naturally they are the only person on earth so this has to happen on their schedule and they get miffed when you tell them there's a client queue and logistics exist. The 'good' clients are very few and far between, but it's a genuine pleasure whenever they call up, if they were all like that this would be the best job on the planet. Sadly this is maybe 3-5% of people, the assholes outnumber them about 6-1, and the rest are just a more run of the mill kind of clueless that's more depressing than irritating ie I fit a brand new tire and give careful instructions about air pressure, knowing full well I'll see the bike in six months and that tyre will have 10psi in it.

I would never work in a dealer or workshop environment again, I'd rather do uber eats.

If I had money I would, in a heartbeat, switch to importing bikes. Drastically more money, drastically easier work (it's no fun doing project bikes when it's what you do for your job and is partly why I have five bikes that don't go), drastically less customer interaction.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Slavvy posted:

Speaking for myself only:

I hate all jobs. I hate the concept of a job, I hate that we live in a society that makes everyone have one. I hate bosses and forms and heirarchy and water coolers and uniforms and promotions and offices and I especially hate taking orders from people dumber and less competent than me. I literally can't do it, it makes me feel like my skeleton wants to climb out of my flesh.

I loving feel this to my core. My last corporate job was in Healthcare IT Security and my days generally went like this

Me: hey we need to upgrade these firewalls/access points/whatever that are 20 years old

Boss: will that cost money?

Me: yes

Boss: then, no

Me: well we should at least take the time to get them on the latest firmware

Boss: will that cause downtime?

Me: yes, because we refused to pay for redundancy

Boss: then, no

Me: ok but we’re at a huge risk of getting compromised

Boss: well that’s why we pay you to stop that stuff

:ssj:

That’s why I hosed off forever and run my own business now. I make less money than I did in HCIT security but I’m infinitely less frustrated

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I have my own small shop and I'm considering going to work at the Honda dealer once my lease is up. As much as I like being my own boss rent is crazy out here, and despite doing decently for a business I started right before the pandemic hit, I haven't taken home one dollar from it, I just watch it go straight to bills. Plus I know the owner at Honda and he's alright.
Only reason I opened my own was because I was a single parent at the time and good luck finding a place to hire you when you can't work weekends or after 4pm. I'd miss the freedom but it'd also be great to have a service manager to deal with the customers for me

Geekboy
Aug 21, 2005

Now that's what I call a geekMAN!
I hear my partner’s husband tell stories about the bicycle shop they own every night and do my best to not be one of THOSE customers. Ever.

If you’ve got a mechanic who isn’t trying to rob you blind, you should treat them like the gold they are.

I … bought a motorcycle and many of you will make fun of my choice when I show it to y’all, but I’m waiting for it to actually come home first. They’re making some changes for me and shipping sucks right now, so it took a while to get the parts in. On top of that, the tech working on it broke his toe mid-project and now it’s a bit clearer why they asked if it was okay to wait until he came back to finish it.

Anita Dickinme
Jan 24, 2013


Grimey Drawer
I’m trying to get 100% disability from the VA because I, too, hate having to deal with a boss. Plus being away from home for so long and only getting paid for eight hours and not having time to do anything I want to do after I’m off work is absolute garbage.

But the nice thing about being a submarine mechanic is I don’t deal with the customer at all. :smug:

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
I’m 100% here for the gently caress All Jobs chat.

ought ten
Feb 6, 2004

Hell yeah, I’m quitting mine on the 30th.

Deeters
Aug 21, 2007


Anita Dickinme posted:

But the nice thing about being a submarine mechanic is I don’t deal with the customer at all. :smug:

But my tax dollars

I enjoy my job and recognize I won't find much better, but I would quit fast if I could survive without work.

epswing
Nov 4, 2003

Soiled Meat

Rolo posted:

I’m 100% here for the gently caress All Jobs chat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ here are your people

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


I love my job and almost all of my coworkers and I try to never forget how fortunate I am to have a career that is very much in line with my passions in life.

TheBacon
Feb 8, 2012

#essereFerrari

Just left the adult industry after 8 years last month to join the gaming industry so lmao I think that’s supposedly doing it right?

Still gently caress jobs and bosses though

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

TheBacon posted:

Just left the adult industry after 8 years last month to join the gaming industry so lmao I think that’s supposedly doing it right?

Still gently caress jobs and bosses though

Aren't these like #'s 2 and 3 on the treating people like garbage rankings?

TheBacon
Feb 8, 2012

#essereFerrari

Slavvy posted:

Aren't these like #'s 2 and 3 on the treating people like garbage rankings?

Depends what area and company really. I am in IT/Ops so a bit removed from the worst parts of those things. Was mostly going with the people dream about working there rankings. Porn company had some issues but overall was really good for me and I wouldn’t have left if not for really excited for specifically the team and healthy culture at this games place.

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


Work can loving suck it, desperately trying to find something I hate less in finance.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMWAVKWliXg

A road-legal 250cc v-twin two-stroke making 75hp and weighing 130kg. It *is* £25k, and made by ex-CCM people, but still... phwoar.

(Lol at the reviewer complaining that it's not got anything down low and is uncomfortable over long distances though - I'm fairly sure nobody's picking one of these up as a long-distance commuter and needs a warning about a lack of practicality)

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020





Jobs can be totally fine, sometimes even enjoyable. I work in education, though not as a teacher. I have helpful coworkers and a boss who mostly comes to hang out if i'm doing some interesting sciency stuff that he himself likes to see. Everyone has so much confidence in each other, there's no one looking over your shoulder to see if you're not slacking or doing it wrong. Just say so if you think you screwed up.

My pay is very very meh, but i wake up without dreading going to work. And for that i feel really loving privileged.

I do know for sure that i now can't work in a commercial office anymore, ever. I can highly recommend trying to find a job at a school. The teachers are a bit more stressed out and rushed than the other people who work here, but still in general have a happy outlook on life.

But yeah. Never again do i want to work for a commercial company. I unironically wished for the train i took to work to crash on multiple occasions, just to get it over with.

ought ten
Feb 6, 2004

LimaBiker posted:

Jobs can be totally fine, sometimes even enjoyable. I work in education, though not as a teacher. I have helpful coworkers and a boss who mostly comes to hang out if i'm doing some interesting sciency stuff that he himself likes to see. Everyone has so much confidence in each other, there's no one looking over your shoulder to see if you're not slacking or doing it wrong. Just say so if you think you screwed up.

My pay is very very meh, but i wake up without dreading going to work. And for that i feel really loving privileged.

I do know for sure that i now can't work in a commercial office anymore, ever. I can highly recommend trying to find a job at a school. The teachers are a bit more stressed out and rushed than the other people who work here, but still in general have a happy outlook on life.

But yeah. Never again do i want to work for a commercial company. I unironically wished for the train i took to work to crash on multiple occasions, just to get it over with.

The job defender has logged on

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

I wish I didn't have to work, then I could ride motorcycles all day instead.

TheBacon
Feb 8, 2012

#essereFerrari

Man the cbr250rr in the F9 video is for sale listed at $11k. That’s a lot but at the same time cheaper than I was expecting?

Geekboy
Aug 21, 2005

Now that's what I call a geekMAN!
Work can be great.

Jobs are poo poo.

Remy Marathe
Mar 15, 2007

_________===D ~ ~ _\____/

FBS posted:

I wish I didn't have to work, then I could ride motorcycles all day instead.

Legit started hating my job 10% more with the bike parked outside calling me all day. Looking for work that is 100% commute.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

TheBacon posted:

Man the cbr250rr in the F9 video is for sale listed at $11k. That’s a lot but at the same time cheaper than I was expecting?

Far too much for something with plastic carbs.

If you want something drastically better, for less, have a look at cbr400 nc23 and nc29.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000

TheBacon posted:

Man the cbr250rr in the F9 video is for sale listed at $11k. That’s a lot but at the same time cheaper than I was expecting?
A beat up one recently sold on ebay for 2500. I really wanted it but thought even that was too much.


Slavvy posted:

Just imagine being so lost, so utterly devoid of any corporeal or spiritual anchor, that you wake up one day and decide that building a bespoke trellis chassis to fit the old-style pregnant swan vespa drivetrain is your calling.
I have to jump in here and defend Vespas and cut Lambrettas down to size. Vintage Vespas, although a very antiquated legacy design by the late 70s, were brilliantly designed. There was serious talent used in that machine. The entire frame and body are basically one piece, it's very light, cheap to manufacture, the entire drivetrain including intake exhaust and wheel is a single unit attached to the monocoque with literally two bolts. The drivetrain is the rear suspension. There are no chains anywhere, the gearbox is unusually compact because it uses very simple moped style shifting mechanisms. The electrical system, early on at least, was all A/C with no battery. Both axles were single sided with jeep style split rims so tire changes were very easy on the side of the road.

Lambrettas are nothing like that. They may look cool but they're completely different under the hood. It's a pitiful mishmash of cobbled together different technologies with no thought given to their overall integration. From an engineering perspective I think they're sad. Too many parts, too much weight, too many things to go wrong. I suppose their design allows for more hot rodding which makes them popular with unreasonable enthusiasts.

Vespa good Lambretta bad.
I mean in the overall context of vintage scooters.

That said though, I've seen videos of British people racing unlimited mod Lambrettas around various tracks and those guys are loving insane, I'd love to see that in person.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Ok so

I know the Vespas you're talking about pretty well now and I agree with everything you said. I also know they're tremendous pieces of poo poo regardless.

With that I'm mind, I've never worked on a lambretta, so for them to be utter garbage by comparison they must be incredible

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

FBS posted:

I wish I didn't have to work, then I could ride motorcycles all day instead.

My work is laid back enough (100% work from home, 9 to 5 if that) that I can ride motorcycles when the weather is nice most of the time, but occasionally I have a bunch of meetings and the sun is shining and I get annoyed.

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


Hey so we're just about coming up on the end of the year, let's do a little year in review type of deal:

1. How many miles did you ride this year or hours if you're offroad/on track

and

2. What was your favorite motorcycle experience this year? It can be a ride, an event or maybe you're especially proud of a particular wrenching job you did.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
I managed 3500 miles on the Monkey 125 from May until now and about 70 hours on the old KTM 250 dirtbike.

Favorite experience: finally figuring out the PV on the KTM was only rotating halfway because a very dumb idiot put a spring in upside down when he rebuild the topend in January. What a loving difference a fully functioning PV makes!

Least favorite experience: grenading the Monkey 125. But the rebuild was a neat project and rewarding.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




I put about 4000 miles on the goldwing. About 50 on the SV and maybe 50 on the RV :negative:

I am most impressed that I managed to work riding the goldwing into my actual job so now it’s a part of my workday and I literally have to ride it for work

Granted, it’s to various shipping depots loaded down with boxes, but a ride is a ride.

TheBacon
Feb 8, 2012

#essereFerrari

I put about 1500 on my MT09 :/

Favorite was riding 1 down to LA for memorial day, always a wonderful ride.

Least favorite was riding 5 home in 110° heat and packed traffic, my cooling system is very thankful for lane splitting


New Year’s Resolution: Finally go to a track, there is one in the same municipality as where I’ll be living in Seattle even so I have no excuse. (Other than stupid WA DOL and not looking forward to potentially having to take a moto endorsement exam in the middle of winter while there has been snow on the ground up there for days.)

TheBacon fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Dec 28, 2021

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Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

I did around 500 miles on track but maybe only 1200-1500 on road :sad:

My favorite thing was probably American Supercamp. It was fun to do something completely different (it's almost like learning to ride all over again), as well as ride in a structured environment with meaningful feedback from people who know what they're doing.

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