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Main Paineframe posted:The core problem here isn't one of systems, it's one of people. The people either do not agree with you on the definition of "existential threat", or don't agree with your chosen policies. That doesn't actually seem all that accurate TBH. As has been shown multiple times in this thread, whenever the old poll about support for socialist policies in actuality as opposed to when they are described as "socialist", a great deal of things can be wanted by a lot of people but if they are told that such things are impossible, you get people going "oh dear, well lets go for whats feasible then". Even if the things they want are feasible, they just aren't convenient for the folks telling them they are impossible. Systems seem to produce far more problems, because people seem to believe that they create and prevent bad action. This does not seem to be true and will become increasingly obvious across the course of the next few years. Things that are set up to prevent things will be ignored, the situation will worsen and the system will continue to deteriorate as it becomes more about political power growing solely from the barrel of a gun. I think a majority of people probably would believe science if there was not a large amount of systems primed to tell them "no, sush, it's all lies, believe what you started out thinking". Call me an optimist if you like, but I do think that systems are more the problem, rather than individual people.
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"Everyone's gonna get it, don't worry!" Lol. Yeah, everyone's going to get a disease that causes Parkinson's and AIDS-like symptoms in young healthy people. That won't backfire. Thanks a bunch, Joe "Fuckface Shitpants" Biden.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:You're gonna get it. More than once. This is an ancient web forum: startup equity millionaires, guys with huge finance windfalls, and childless upper middle class WFH tech workers are overrepresented to an astonishing degree. They're going to be able to avoid it just fine.
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Michael Penis posted:"Everyone's gonna get it, don't worry!" Nobody has said not to worry. Quite the opposite actually. I'm worried constantly, but I don't have the power to do anything about it beyond my individual choices. Even when those are everything they are supposed to be we still got it because of those around me and the decisions they have made. What do you see that is going to change that? Wang Commander posted:This is an ancient web forum: startup equity millionaires, guys with huge finance windfalls, and childless upper middle class WFH tech workers are overrepresented to an astonishing degree. They're going to be able to avoid it just fine. I speak from personal experience and this is not true. Omicron is making lots of waves right now in the world of computer touchers. It's a matter of when not if at this point. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Nobody has said not to worry. Quite the opposite actually. I'm worried constantly, but I don't have the power to do anything about it beyond my individual choices. Even when those are everything they are supposed to be we still got it because of those around me and the decisions they have made. Nothing, alas. Joe Biden could and should shut down society to a harsher degree than in China. Jail time for leaving your house. But he won't do that, because he and the rest of the terrible Democrat Party exist solely to slobber capital's knob.
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BlackIronHeart posted:This makes me feel better about a recent argument I had with someone about exercising more caution when their position was die-hard 'The CDC is infallible'. The CDC has been wild about this whole thing for a while now. I used to think of them as being pretty good in terms of health concerns, but a lot of their COVID recommendations seem to be in favor of the virus. Or capitalism. But I guess that's redundant.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I speak from personal experience and this is not true. Omicron is making lots of waves right now in the world of computer touchers. It's a matter of when not if at this point. The only WFH people I know who got it were routinely sharing air with people outside the home for leisure or shopping etc like perverts. Never share air with people outside the home
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Wang Commander posted:This is an ancient web forum: startup equity millionaires, guys with huge finance windfalls, and childless upper middle class WFH tech workers are overrepresented to an astonishing degree. They're going to be able to avoid it just fine.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:im actively posting there rn, tryna get twitch emotes integrated onto SA cuz that's what we need if we want to stay competitive in 2021 Crungo
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Willa Rogers posted:What pandemic-related financial assistance is included in B3 other than the $1k tax-credit addition for parents? Jack loving poo poo, that's what. At least Trump gave me some money for a new graphics card. Biden hasn't given me anything. If he really wanted this bill to pass in a better form, he'd blackmail the poo poo out of Manchin and threaten to send the CIA after his family if he said anything. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Michael Penis posted:Jack loving poo poo, that's what. At least Trump gave me some money for a new graphics card. Biden hasn't given me anything. If he really wanted this bill to pass in a better form, he'd blackmail the poo poo out of Manchin and threaten to send the CIA after his family if he said anything. Hey now, let's not use the coercive power of the Presidency to make the world more survivable and alleviate mass suffering. If we hold off on doing it, the openly fascist Party will Learn Their Lesson and stop doing it when they sweep into power next. Manchin's crooked as gently caress family that at the very least profiteered off of epi pen price gouging deserve deference here. Decorum demands it. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Michael Penis posted:Nothing, alas. Joe Biden could and should shut down society to a harsher degree than in China. Jail time for leaving your house. But he won't do that, because he and the rest of the terrible Democrat Party exist solely to slobber capital's knob. Very insightful. Do you have a podcast I could subscribe to?
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Ershalim posted:The CDC has been wild about this whole thing for a while now. I used to think of them as being pretty good in terms of health concerns, but a lot of their COVID recommendations seem to be in favor of the virus. Or capitalism. But I guess that's redundant. Yeah, it was a pretty wild experience. It'd be different if the CDC could even perform certain important studies but they can't simply because of a lack of comprehensive contact tracing and testing data. I don't even blame them, really, it's largely the political issues causing these knowledge gaps
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Michael Penis posted:Nothing, alas. Joe Biden could and should shut down society to a harsher degree than in China. Jail time for leaving your house. But he won't do that, because he and the rest of the terrible Democrat Party exist solely to slobber capital's knob.
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Dec 28, 2021 03:02
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Abner Assington posted:Lol what in the almighty gently caress are you talking about (assuming you're being genuine)? I'm assuming most people are shitposting at this point, I can't imagine actually believing forced lockdowns or vaccine mandates for flying will work in the current United States, but let's call Biden the worst for not implementing these ideas!
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Dec 28, 2021 03:20
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Abner Assington posted:Lol what in the almighty gently caress are you talking about (assuming you're being genuine)? I assume any accounts registered a couple weeks ago and just making their first post today aren't genuine. Probably a probe evading account, if I had to take a guess.
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Sedisp posted:You know how they have those weird little pouches they squeeze anytime they are wheeling in a patient who is dying in a TV show? I think they use those as cpr.... tools? So get out there and start convincing people, instead of trying to find the perfect magic set of rules to post on the wall. Josef bugman posted:That doesn't actually seem all that accurate TBH. As has been shown multiple times in this thread, whenever the old poll about support for socialist policies in actuality as opposed to when they are described as "socialist", a great deal of things can be wanted by a lot of people but if they are told that such things are impossible, you get people going "oh dear, well lets go for whats feasible then". Even if the things they want are feasible, they just aren't convenient for the folks telling them they are impossible. It doesn't seem like you're talking about systems at all here? It sounds like you're really talking about people, but if you acknowledged that it was all about people, you'd have to confront the core question: why is it that they believe the person telling them "this is impossible" instead of the person telling them "this is possible"? Sounds like the latter has done a really lovely job winning folks' trust and building a movement! If it's people vs people, then you can't avoid that question. But by swapping out one side for "systems", you can pretend that you've been defeated by magic wizard words materializing from nowhere, instead of facing up to your own failure to persuade.
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Dec 28, 2021 03:37
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VorpalBunny posted:I'm assuming most people are shitposting at this point, I can't imagine actually believing forced lockdowns or vaccine mandates for flying will work in the current United States, but let's call Biden the worst for not implementing these ideas! I wonder what it would actually take for it to be possible to force people to lockdown or mandate vaccines for everyone without a medical reason for being unable to. I originally thought you could incent people to do the right thing by paying them off, but it seems like spite is a much stronger force than even a monetary incentive would be for true believers. Ironic that most of the people they follow are demonstrably doing all the things they publicly decry, but I guess that's kind of the norm. I don't think it would be impossible to simply give out IDs on a national scale with vaccination records on them. The pushback would obviously be enormous, but I don't see how that's much different from how we as a country react to everything, so... Something feels off when the common wisdom is that the US is functionally ungovernable. We should, y'know, make it governable. Or dissolve it.
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Ershalim posted:I wonder what it would actually take for it to be possible to force people to lockdown or mandate vaccines for everyone without a medical reason for being unable to. I originally thought you could incent people to do the right thing by paying them off, but it seems like spite is a much stronger force than even a monetary incentive would be for true believers. Ironic that most of the people they follow are demonstrably doing all the things they publicly decry, but I guess that's kind of the norm. Biden and the Democrat Party could try if they wanted to. The fact that they haven't done it means they don't want to.
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Dec 28, 2021 03:44
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Abner Assington posted:Lol what in the almighty gently caress are you talking about (assuming you're being genuine)? I am being genuine. Arrest people who leave their homes if it's not for an approved, necessary reason. We spend the most money in the world by far on our military, what's stopping the poo poo-trash idiot Biden from deploying them to keep people isolated?
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Do we have a US news thread that isn't 95% horseshoe theory repackaging of attacks on Biden, or is there literally nothing else going on this week?
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Ardeem posted:is there literally nothing else going on this week? It is snowing in winter. Would you like to discuss how adding energy to a chaotic system is good/bad and us policy is to *checks notes* do nothing about it?
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Michael Penis posted:Biden and the Democrat Party could try if they wanted to. The fact that they haven't done it means they don't want to. Between the NSA and the drone program the President he could do a lot
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Main Paineframe posted:"Actually, literally everyone who disagrees with me politically, including every elected member of government and everyone who votes in elections, is an illegitimate traitor that is literally destroying the American people" - someone who is definitely NOT a budding fascist Didn't liberals spend four years freaking out about Trump's judges? Were they all replaced at some point in the past year?
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Michael Penis posted:I am being genuine. Arrest people who leave their homes if it's not for an approved, necessary reason. We spend the most money in the world by far on our military, what's stopping the poo poo-trash idiot Biden from deploying them to keep people isolated? No thank you to that idea, I absolutely do not trust cops in this country enough to give them more unchecked power. Kind of hoping to go the other way on that, frankly. Edit: Wang Commander posted:Between the NSA and the drone program the President he could do a lot What the gently caress? No! The NSA and the drone program are both terrible. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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SKULL.GIF posted:Didn't liberals spend four years freaking out about Trump's judges? Were they all replaced at some point in the past year? The thing about liberals is that they never learn. They piss and poo poo themselves over appointees who are barely to the right of Breyer. Liberals need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that the whole system's hosed. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:No thank you to that idea, I absolutely do not trust cops in this country enough to give them more unchecked power. Use no-man-in-the-loop aerial systems to enforce strict "no humans in X area at Y time" quarantines automatically without allowing for police overreach
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Wang Commander posted:Use no-man-in-the-loop aerial systems to enforce strict "no humans in X area at Y time" quarantines automatically without allowing for police overreach Pretty sure that's the setup for at least one Black Mirror episode.
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Wang Commander posted:Use no-man-in-the-loop aerial systems to enforce strict "no humans in X area at Y time" quarantines automatically without allowing for police overreach I agree, let's build Skynet for COVID lockdown enforcement. We have the facial recognitiion software and drone technology for it.
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Main Paineframe posted:So get out there and start convincing people, instead of trying to find the perfect magic set of rules to post on the wall. Just go reprogram 150 million people propagandized since birth Bing bong so simple.
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So regarding that updated guidance: https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1475623194954506242?t=-rJqNDiSRY16KVN8fPb-ow&s=19 I gotta say, it feels refreshing to just see them come out and admit that it's about protecting Number rather than something silly like lives
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A big flaming stink posted:So regarding that updated guidance: Who's "them"?
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Kalit posted:Who's "them"? Yeah, that's a doc/prof/associate dean from Brown. She knows what she's talking about, but she's not with the CDC afaik
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Hey remember when the CDC had a good reputation and we generally trusted what it said as being grounded in science and good public health policy? The systematic gutting of American institutions continues.
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Kalit posted:Who's "them"? Reuters? https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/delta-ceo-asks-cdc-cut-quarantine-time-breakthrough-covid-cases-2021-12-21/ quote:CEO Ed Bastian, along with the company's chief health officer and a medical adviser, asked in a letter to CDC Director Rochelle Walensky seen by Reuters that the agency's recommended quarantine period for anyone who tests positive with a breakthrough COVID-19 infection be reduced to five days from the current 10.
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