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Which horse film is your favorite?
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Black Beauty 2 1.06%
A Talking Pony!?! 4 2.13%
Mr. Hands 2x Apple Flavor 117 62.23%
War Horse 11 5.85%
Mr. Hands 54 28.72%
Total: 188 votes
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smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

It seems covid has a 50% chance of giving me Parkinson's and a 50% chance of turning me onto an Olympian... I'll take that bet

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Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Buglord
The concept of a person recovering from long Covid is mockable because everyone already knew that was true. The people that pretend it was something like chromosomal damage of telomeres or zombie heart cells or airborne aids or something we’re just stroking to doom porn with things they don’t really believe. Him recovering didn’t require telomere Lengthening or a heart lung transplant or bone marrow injections or anything extraordinary.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Yeah, and they apparently returned to that within a year. Indicating at least some of the damage is reversible in at least some of the cases.

The fact the nba wants players back after Covid indicates the damage reverses in many cases.

I am glad top athletes have the type of systems that can recover quickly from illness.

James Garfield posted:

one person recovering from long covid is an anecdote that means nothing but if you find brain damage in one child who died of encephalopathy and covid, it proves covid causes parkinsons

Just one person has had neurological symptoms from covid?

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
none of you are nearly as witty as you think you are, and sniping at each other via snarky references to weeks-old posts is a really silly behavior even by D&D standards

sexy tiger boobs
Aug 23, 2002

Up shit creek with a turd for a paddle.


That tweet makes it sound like COVID cured his asthma. Sign me up yo.

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal
All diseases are technically cured when you go asystole :science:

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Covid is good at curing insurance costs aswell

Fritz the Horse
Dec 26, 2019

... of course!
i prefer to drink zero covid: it has all of the flavor of covid and none of the calories, meanwhile i feel less emasculated with "zero" covid than "diet" covid because the latter makes me sound like im on a diet and my weight is just fine thank you

UnoriginalMind
Dec 22, 2007

I Love You

Wang Commander posted:

Did you register just to ask me this? Press/scientific inquiries via pm only please.

So did you take 20 to 30 boosters or not?

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Got boosted, but mixed manufacturers this time, jumping onto Moderna from the Pfizer train. Have to admit it makes me a little nervous, though the pharmacist pointed out it's only a half-dose.

slorb posted:

Given the CDC isn't even trying to hide its lust for death these days, who are the public health bodies worth listening to? Are there any European ones with a good track record?

Germany has not only an entire vaccine committee in it's public health apparatus, but when there became concerns about Moderna's risk of cardiac complications they took the unusual step of suggesting Pfizer for people under 30, so they're more cautious than most of the world without going full Israel and jumping at the very first study.

Fritz the Horse
Dec 26, 2019

... of course!

Michael Penis posted:

God I hate capital. If it weren't for capital, we could build a paradise. But instead we're all going to get a disease that causes AIDS-like symptoms and mental decline worse than Alzheimer's, even in the vaccinated.

Michael Penis posted:

I think it was Anthony Leonardi who compared T-cell waning in covid patients to that of AIDS patients. He's a reputable source. I forget the source for the Alzheimer's thing but it was a solid study. But no, pointing out the seriousness of this disease and that the Democrat Party has buttfucked us with their response is considered "satire."

you never actually provided any sources for the mildly sensational claim that COVID-19 causes damage similar to both AIDS and Alzheimers (even if vaccinated!), despite a couple posters asking for any evidence whatsoever to back that up

tbh this is an obvious troll. basically the opposite of what the Fancy Pelosi gimmick account was doing. posting the most extreme dumbass takes and then coming back in a month or two to insist this is evidence that the mods are biased or whatever

there have been some pretty wild and scientifically unfounded claims made by posters itt on both extremes. "COVID is actually airborne AIDS and Alzheimers" is not one of them.


why do I care? HIV/AIDS is not a funny joke to score internet argument points and if you are actually a leftist you presumably have some shred of empathy for the tens of millions of people living with HIV/AIDS globally (largely LGBTQ+, sex workers, POC, people in sub-Saharan Africa in no particular order)
can you provide evidence that COVID causes immune damage similar to HIV/AIDS and brain damage similar to Alzheimers, including in the vaccinated? put up or shut up.

Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Dec 28, 2021

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



slorb posted:

Given the CDC isn't even trying to hide its lust for death these days, who are the public health bodies worth listening to? Are there any European ones with a good track record?

Israel

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Judakel posted:

I am glad top athletes have the type of systems that can recover quickly from illness.

There are plenty of diseases no amount of money can cure.

The fact a "long covid" sufferer eventually did recover to the highest level of fitness is a good sign that the damage is not irreversible.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

There are plenty of diseases no amount of money can cure.

The fact a "long covid" sufferer eventually did recover to the highest level of fitness is a good sign that the damage is not irreversible.

I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about an individual in superb physical health.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


Judakel posted:

I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about an individual in superb physical health.

And extremely expensive sports medicine to cosset him back into health, and luck.

Also, don't look now, but we have a novel Delta mutant.

https://twitter.com/Gab_H_R/status/1475827929988964357

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Nearly 30 years apart, a gold medal winning olympian basketball player shrugged off most symptoms of a highly infectious disease, proving once and for all it's no big deal

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
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I've been working from home since I got my job in September, and my office has been pushing a January 3 return date for the last few months. Given that Covid cases are currently at literally the highest level they have ever been in my state, and basically guaranteed to rise over the next two weeks, I keep waiting for the "lol, jk" email, but it hasn't come yet. :sigh:

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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StratGoatCom posted:

And extremely expensive sports medicine to cosset him back into health, and luck.

Also, don't look now, but we have a novel Delta mutant.

https://twitter.com/Gab_H_R/status/1475827929988964357

Won't outcompete the big boy right now, but I am very curious as to how this came about. Safe to say omicron was the product of an immunocompromised population.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

So, we've been taking health advice from the CDC for the past 2 years. And now they change their stance and it is hard for me to take CDC criticism seriously when it is just a bunch of "CDC is sucking capitalism's dick, gently caress the CDC." Like, are there any papers and stuff to show that the 5 days if asymptomatic thing is bad?

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Depends, does the science currently believe that asymptomatic spread is a thing? My source is the NFL, they say no.

E:

nomad2020 fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 28, 2021

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

Of course asymptomatic spread is a thing, but that is why there are still recommendations to mask up and keep to yourself. Is it a thing that can be done responsibly by the majority of the population? I'm trying really hard here to recognize that some of my thinking is flawed based upon the economic system I've grown up in and and been told is normal. But I get dismissive when I hear "they just want us to get back to work and continue being a cog in the wheel". I also just want to be a human being again and figure out a way to not endanger anyone while doing so.

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

I see it as depending on the source's incentives.

Like, if someone called me up and asked "I still test COVID positive, should I go to work and/or the mall?" I'd say no.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

How much of an outlier is it for someone to test positive for covid after 5 days? How likely is it for an asymptomatic person to spread covid when they are masking up? Why didn't the the CDC post studies and evidence backing their revised decision? Is this just a compromise to get people to actually do something versus nothing?

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


CmdrRiker posted:

So, we've been taking health advice from the CDC for the past 2 years. And now they change their stance and it is hard for me to take CDC criticism seriously when it is just a bunch of "CDC is sucking capitalism's dick, gently caress the CDC." Like, are there any papers and stuff to show that the 5 days if asymptomatic thing is bad?

The CDC has been issuing lovely politicized advice for 2 years. The criticism isn't all of a sudden.

e:

CmdrRiker posted:

How much of an outlier is it for someone to test positive for covid after 5 days? How likely is it for an asymptomatic person to spread covid when they are masking up? Why didn't the the CDC post studies and evidence backing their revised decision? Is this just a compromise to get people to actually do something versus nothing?

it's a sop to business interests.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Denmark - 28 December

Hospitalizations up sharply since yesterday. Looks like maybe a 7 day delay from the 21 December case spike.


pre:
Denmark Covid Cases
------------------------------------
Dec 28 13,000 new cases, 670 reinfections, 177 new hospitalizations (666 total), 71 ICU (+1), 50 Vent (+4), 14 dead
Dec 27 16,164 new cases, 639 reinfections, 115 new hospitalizations (608 total), 70 ICU (-1), 46 Vent (-2), 7 dead
Dec 26 14,844 new cases, 644 reinfections, 123 new hospitalizations (579 total), 71 ICU (-2), 43 Vent (+1), 13 dead
Dec 25 10,027 new cases, 463 reinfections,  86 new hospitalizations (522 total), 73 ICU (-1), 44 Vent (+5), 10 dead
Dec 24 11,229 new cases, 527 reinfections, 134 new hospitalizations (509 total), 74 ICU (+2), 39 vent (+1), 14 dead
Dec 23 12,487 new cases, 613 reinfections, 158 new hospitalizations (541 total), 72 ICU (+6), 38 vent (+1), 15 dead
Dec 22 13,386 new cases, 531 reinfections, 126 new hospitalizations (524 total), 66 ICU (-1), 37 vent (+2), 14 dead 
Dec 21 13,558 new cases, 501 reinfections, 121 new hospitalizations (526 total), 67 ICU (+1), 35 vent (+2) , 17 dead
Dec 20 10,082 new cases, (no reinf. data),  85 new hospitalizations (581 total), 66 ICU (+3), 33 vent (-2), 8 dead
Dec 19 8,212
Dec 18 8,594
Dec 17 11,194
Dec 16 9,999
Dec 15 8,773
Since yesterday, rates per 100,000 population. Big case drop, lets see what happens tommorrow.

pre:
                                  Unvaccinated              Partial           Full                           Unvaccinated    Partial    Full
28 DEC    New cases:                     237.3                208.2          210.2    Hospitalizations:              40.5       16.9    8.6
27 DEC    New cases:                     304.4                324.9          263.3    Hospitalizations:              40.0       15.8    7.8
26 DEC    New cases:                     310.4                274.9          241.2    Hospitalizations:              39.0       15.4    7.3
25 DEC    New cases:                     181.6                162.1          161.5    Hospitalizations:              33.9       16.0    6.8
24 DEC    New cases:                     184.1                173.0          182.1    Hospitalizations:              34.5       14.9    7.1
23 DEC    New cases:                     237.1                202.6          197.9    Hospitalizations:              35.4       16.2    7.5
22 DEC    New cases:                     257.1                198.1          211.7    Hospitalizations:              34.2       15.3    7.3
21 DEC    New cases:                     270.1                226.2          207.8    Hospitalizations:              32.9       14.3    7.5

Omicron percentage of variant tests jumped to 70-75% from 60% or so yesterday. A lot of PCR numbers take a few days to make their way to SSI so the numbers wobble and stop at 22 December


Report on PCR tests for Omicron as a percentage of variant tests hit various levels on various days:
pre:
1.77% on 1 December
4.8% on 6 December
10.17% on 8 December
22.06% on 12 December
37.97% on 14 December
50% on 17 December
60% on 20 December
70% on 21 December
76% on 22 December
79.31% on 23 December (only 29 tests though)
80% on 26 December

Sources:
https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26
https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr

Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Dec 28, 2021

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
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CmdrRiker posted:

Of course asymptomatic spread is a thing, but that is why there are still recommendations to mask up and keep to yourself. Is it a thing that can be done responsibly by the majority of the population? I'm trying really hard here to recognize that some of my thinking is flawed based upon the economic system I've grown up in and and been told is normal. But I get dismissive when I hear "they just want us to get back to work and continue being a cog in the wheel". I also just want to be a human being again and figure out a way to not endanger anyone while doing so.

There's some good info in this thread that was posted the other day:

brugroffil posted:

e:
Here have a qualified expert's opinion on how dumb this is
https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab...ingawful.com%2F

CmdrRiker posted:

How much of an outlier is it for someone to test positive for covid after 5 days? How likely is it for an asymptomatic person to spread covid when they are masking up? Why didn't the the CDC post studies and evidence backing their revised decision? Is this just a compromise to get people to actually do something versus nothing?

-Not an outlier at all, according to the data in the linked tweet thread
-Unknown, but with the coming of Omicron the answer appears to be pretty likely
-Because there really aren't any :ssh:
-Probably in part

The main thing is that the CDC's revision to their guidance came after healthcare systems started moving in that direction on their own as a last resort measure to maintain staffing levels. Keeping asymptomatic cases off the job for too long was straining their already overburdened capacity. This makes a certain amount of sense in a darkly pragmatic way for vital workers in absolutely necessary positions that are already swamped and facing a staffing crisis, less so as guidance for the general public.

You do what you gotta do to survive but the considerate thing is to lay low as much as you can when you are carrying an infectious disease.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

CmdrRiker posted:

How much of an outlier is it for someone to test positive for covid after 5 days? How likely is it for an asymptomatic person to spread covid when they are masking up? Why didn't the the CDC post studies and evidence backing their revised decision? Is this just a compromise to get people to actually do something versus nothing?

They didn't post a study because the decision wasn't based on science

https://twitter.com/heyshalimar/status/1475790262852984833?s=20

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
So, January 7th the conmen of the Supreme Court will more than likely rule the vaccine mandate unconstitutional.

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

Add another anecdotal positive COVID to the pile: 28F, received two doses of Moderna in August and July presenting with two days of sore throat, headache and a little myalgia. No cough or shortness of breath, vitals stable, satting well, 99.4F temp. Sent her home and told her forget the new guidelines and quarantine for 10 days.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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CmdrRiker posted:

So, we've been taking health advice from the CDC for the past 2 years. And now they change their stance and it is hard for me to take CDC criticism seriously when it is just a bunch of "CDC is sucking capitalism's dick, gently caress the CDC." Like, are there any papers and stuff to show that the 5 days if asymptomatic thing is bad?

It shouldn't be hard for you to believe that the CDC is caving into business interests. Delta's CEO requested pretty much the same thing that the CDC did not too long after. As for the science behind the CDC's decision: there isn't any. The CDC says you can stop quarantining even if your symptoms are resolving, if I recall correctly. Well, guess what? That means you're definitely still infectious. And if it is omicron, a surgical mask won't be enough for prolonged periods of indoor company. It is an indefensible decision.

Wang Commander
Dec 27, 2003

by sebmojo

MadJackal posted:

Add another anecdotal positive COVID to the pile: 28F, received two doses of Moderna in August and July presenting with two days of sore throat, headache and a little myalgia. No cough or shortness of breath, vitals stable, satting well, 99.4F temp. Sent her home and told her forget the new guidelines and quarantine for 10 days.

I expect follow-ups on these at the 8 week mark where you start to see the crippling brain fog

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Riptor
Apr 13, 2003

here's to feelin' good all the time

Wang Commander posted:

I expect follow-ups on these at the 8 week mark where you start to see the crippling brain fog

what is the point of this

Wang Commander
Dec 27, 2003

by sebmojo

Riptor posted:

what is the point of this

What do you mean? He's clearly pushing the "Omicron is mild" narrative by showing the initial presentation in young vaccinated people, which should neither come as a surprise nor just be accepted at face value as the whole impact of the disease. The acute phase is almost irrelevant in that population, so far.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Wang Commander posted:

The acute phase is almost irrelevant in that population, so far.

mlyp

EugeneDebsWasCool
Nov 10, 2017
Buglord

Wang Commander posted:

I expect follow-ups on these at the 8 week mark where you start to see the crippling brain fog

I've never seen somebody consistently root for a virus like you have in this thread. You'll likely be depressed if in eight weeks this patient is just fine. It's bizarre.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






We all have our coping mechanisms.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
look these 24,000 n95s i bought to resell to shutin goons aren't going to sell themselves

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


I too love to lecture medical professionals who are dealing with covid every day about how they are doing it wrong and how they have an agenda from the safety of my GoonLair

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


Wang Commander posted:

I expect follow-ups on these at the 8 week mark where you start to see the crippling brain fog

is there any truth to this? how often does someone experience brain fog after a mild case?

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Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:

I've never seen somebody consistently root for a virus like you have in this thread. You'll likely be depressed if in eight weeks this patient is just fine. It's bizarre.

It's the same dumb thread rivalry thing as it always is.

The other thread posts this specific chart (from a absolute nobody "long covid" researcher who appears to be a computer science undergrad student)

https://twitter.com/ahandvanish/status/1474037701347356679?s=20

It says the 8 week thing and within minutes he has to run to the "bad thread" to proclaim it.

Like 90% of his posts are whatever the last idiotic twitter thing from another thread but obscured enough he doesn't break thread rules by posting them directly.

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