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If we have to keep pretending Captain Marvel is a character people like despite the mounting pile of evidence to the contrary, and slotting her into cartoons from the 80's and 90's is the only way to get anyone to give a poo poo about her... do it. Maybe her class can fight Rick Moranis' class from Gravedale High. At least it'd be something.
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Everyone pitching their ideas for Carol with kids. I'm going to buck the trend and go the opposite way. Carol taking care of old folks! Not only do you avoid the comicbook problem of introducing child characters who either age too slowly / not fast enough, but who doesn't want to see a bunch of grizzled, cantankerous aliens and cosmic adventurers? She can teach them, they can teach her.
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Dec 28, 2021 17:33
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Captain Marvel: Space Hospice works too.
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Dec 28, 2021 17:35
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Barry Convex posted:hopefully Gillen has more creative involvement here than he did on AvX https://twitter.com/KrakoaWelcomes/status/1475904633495117826?s=20
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Dec 28, 2021 20:25
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I’m still recovering from the knowledge that Gravedale High and Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School weren’t the same thing, like my mind had convinced me they were. Or that I’m old enough to remember both.
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Dec 28, 2021 22:02
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How many Skrulls does Carol kill on an issue by issue basis in this hypothetical?
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Dec 28, 2021 22:11
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I'm behind due to reading through Unlimited but I just finished Moon Knight #3 and holy poo poo! I am absolutely loving your writing for Spector and Badr, Vulpes.
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Dec 28, 2021 22:43
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Lobok posted:Everyone pitching their ideas for Carol with kids. I'm going to buck the trend and go the opposite way. Carol taking care of old folks! Not only do you avoid the comicbook problem of introducing child characters who either age too slowly / not fast enough, but who doesn't want to see a bunch of grizzled, cantankerous aliens and cosmic adventurers? She can teach them, they can teach her. Carol teaming up with the Golden Age Girls has promise. Blonde Phantom, Miss America, Venus, and Golden Girl, if you want to be way too one the nose.
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Dec 28, 2021 22:53
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I feel like Marvel has a strong roster of female characters at this point which makes their obsession with carol stand out even more. Carol’s books always reminds me of people who don’t understand Superman writing Superman if that makes sense. I feel like the MCU will figure Carol out probably and that version will get ported over.
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Dec 28, 2021 23:47
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Lord Packinham posted:I feel like Marvel has a strong roster of female characters at this point which makes their obsession with carol stand out even more. Carol’s books always reminds me of people who don’t understand Superman writing Superman if that makes sense. I feel like the MCU will figure Carol out probably and that version will get ported over. The roster's size has never been the problem. It's that almost all of the best female characters at Marvel are either Sue Richards or on the X-Men. Meanwhile, the Avengers books were written by total dipshits for so long that most of the female characters associated with the franchise have metric tons of baggage.
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Dec 29, 2021 00:09
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Lord Packinham posted:I feel like Marvel has a strong roster of female characters at this point which makes their obsession with carol stand out even more. Carol’s books always reminds me of people who don’t understand Superman writing Superman if that makes sense. I feel like the MCU will figure Carol out probably and that version will get ported over. It's Marvel Comics (and Marvel Studios if we bring the movies in) and her superhero name is Captain Marvel.
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Dec 29, 2021 00:12
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Skwirl posted:It's Marvel Comics (and Marvel Studios if we bring the movies in) and her superhero name is Captain Marvel. Considering the treatment of previous Captain Marvel characters, Marvel does not historically think that is very important.
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Dec 29, 2021 00:19
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Lord Packinham posted:I feel like Marvel has a strong roster of female characters at this point which makes their obsession with carol stand out even more. Carol’s books always reminds me of people who don’t understand Superman writing Superman if that makes sense. I feel like the MCU will figure Carol out probably and that version will get ported over. Does anyone understand Superman? He's just like some weird alien overgod who infiltrated society and tries to mimic human emotions. You can't really relate to that character. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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Dec 29, 2021 00:22
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cant cook creole bream posted:Does anyone understand Superman? He's just like some weird alien overgod who infiltrated society and tries to mimic human emotions. You can't really relate to that character. I mean clearly you don't if you think that's the character.
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Dec 29, 2021 00:30
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cant cook creole bream posted:Does anyone understand Superman? He's just like some weird alien overgod who infiltrated society and tries to mimic human emotions. You can't really relate to that character. I dunno, Grant Morrison did a really good job in All-Star Superman.
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Dec 29, 2021 00:30
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This run of Captain Marvel has been pretty good and I think she's likeable in it.
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Dec 29, 2021 00:38
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She-Hulk is coming back. The solicits for March I think issue 3 said it is the funniest, sexiest book on stands. This is a bold claim, and I am skeptical of this. Is Marvel bringing sexy back? Do these words mean anything, in what manner will the book be the sexiest? Do they know about some of the other competing comics? They've thrown down a gauntlet here. "A SMASHING RETURN! GUEST STARS! AND THE FUNNIEST, SEXIEST BOOK ON THE STANDS!"
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Dec 29, 2021 00:46
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Marvel is putting Aspen Comics on notice. 
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Dec 29, 2021 01:20
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JordanKai posted:Marvel is putting Aspen Comics on notice. Zenescope Comics suddenly waking up in a cold sweat and they don't know why.
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Heavy Metal posted:She-Hulk is coming back. The solicits for March I think issue 3 said it is the funniest, sexiest book on stands. This is a bold claim, and I am skeptical of this. Is Marvel bringing sexy back? Do these words mean anything, in what manner will the book be the sexiest? Do they know about some of the other competing comics? They've thrown down a gauntlet here. Is Frank Cho drawing?
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Dec 29, 2021 01:28
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Codependent Poster posted:This run of Captain Marvel has been pretty good and I think she's likeable in it. I did drop off it but I wasn't not enjoying it, and it seems kind of odd to me the complaints because, like you can make the same points about like 80% of cape comics these days. Who does Batman hang out with that's not a superhero? Superman? The X-Men? The FF? Black Panther? That's not actually a complaint because if the relationships themselves are compelling then it's fine. If anything I think the biggest issue a lot of characters have is there's not really a 'default' that can be reverted back to. Batman, Spider-Man, the X-Men, Superman, there's a 'baseline'. Batman is a loner with maybe a few proteges living in Wayne Manor with Alfred and fights bank robbers and serial killers in Gotham. Spider-Man is a broke grad student who pays the bills selling photos of himself to the news while fighting crime in NYC. The X-Men run a school for mutants, Superman is secretly Clark Kent, ace reporter for the Daily Planet. But Captain Marvel doesn't have that, Spider-Woman doesn't have that, even Moon Knight doesn't have it. And it's not even the creative teams' faults, because I'm sure every idea they have is something they're sure will be amazing and maybe even iconic enough to reset back to at the end of their run... until the next team blow it all up because they have a better idea that will shake up the non-existant status quo, missing the point that the status is NEVER quo.
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Dec 29, 2021 01:50
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Lord Packinham posted:I feel like Marvel has a strong roster of female characters at this point which makes their obsession with carol stand out even more. Carol’s books always reminds me of people who don’t understand Superman writing Superman if that makes sense. I feel like the MCU will figure Carol out probably and that version will get ported over. I think originally Carol was pushed as a heroine with a strong link to both the Avengers and the X-Men. She's become basically exclusively an Avengers character as the Avengers have become more and more Marvel's premier franchise, but I think her X-ties were more important when she got her first modern ongoing out of House of M. Carol also had a great turn in Claremont's 1970s Ms Marvel run and later in his 80s X-Men, and I think that had a lot to do with her return to prominence in the mid-2000s, since that's when creators who grew up with that era of comics were running the show. Now I think it has more to do with how she's become Marvel's answer to Wonder Woman. She's not really much like Diana at all, but she's a heavy hitter and a stand-alone brand, which is unique among Marvel's women, so it makes sense she was singled out for MCU treatment. There are characters with more defined niches, e.g. Elektra or She-Hulk, but they're generally either antiheroic or strongly associated with a male hero or a team.
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well, she's a legacy character. but no one really cares that much about mar-vell any more.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:well, she's a legacy character. but no one really cares that much about mar-vell any more. More people care about Genis than ever cared about Marv.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:06
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Yeah exactly. Carol has more to do with Mar-Vell than Jessica Drew does with Peter Parker, but Carol has already eclipsed the original Captain Marvel while Jess is never going to eclipse Spider-Man.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:20
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Rhyno posted:More people care about Genis than ever cared about Marv. I mean, that one run where Genis went crazy was more interesting than anything Marv ever did, including dying.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:31
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Latkje posted:Now I think it has more to do with how she's become Marvel's answer to Wonder Woman. She's not really much like Diana at all, but she's a heavy hitter and a stand-alone brand, which is unique among Marvel's women, so it makes sense she was singled out for MCU treatment. There are characters with more defined niches, e.g. Elektra or She-Hulk, but they're generally either antiheroic or strongly associated with a male hero or a team. I would honestly argue that they're more trying to make her Marvel's answer to Superman. Like, maybe I'm just misremembering, but I feel like Marvel has put in a lot of effort in the past few years in her book/books she guests in to make it feel like she's the most powerful (Earth-based) character in the Marvel U. And aside from that they retconned her into literally being part-alien, she's got a red/blue/yellow color scheme (that one's a joke, I know that's a really common hero color scheme), all the pieces are there.
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captain marvel is goku, actually
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Dec 29, 2021 06:23
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Alaois posted:captain marvel is goku, actually I definitely think that Marvel wants Carol to be their Superman, and I think they have largely succeeded. She constantly has a book people don't read or like that occasionally has good bits that reminded you that she IS a good character actually and it is just a shame this run is mostly crummy. She is certainly positioned as a less likeable Superman in the film universe. Even more, the best thing about the character is a younger spinoff character that young people actually do seem to care about somewhat.
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Dec 29, 2021 12:51
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Ironically people would be thrilled if Captain Marvel had an arc where she had a mullet
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TwoPair posted:I would honestly argue that they're more trying to make her Marvel's answer to Superman. Like, maybe I'm just misremembering, but I feel like Marvel has put in a lot of effort in the past few years in her book/books she guests in to make it feel like she's the most powerful (Earth-based) character in the Marvel U. And aside from that they retconned her into literally being part-alien, she's got a red/blue/yellow color scheme (that one's a joke, I know that's a really common hero color scheme), all the pieces are there. Yeah, she's story-wise more in a Superman niche. (There's also a bit of Hal Jordan in there, in that she's a pilot with space ties and a cocky personality, but also comes across as bland and unlikable when he's written poorly.) But I think they wanted to have a character they could point at and say, look, our premier female superhero. When her book relaunched as Captain Marvel it was the only female-led ongoing in their line, they were truly at a dire place with that representation, and that was a huge part of the initial fanbase for that book. (I know it was impressed on me that if I didn't pre-order Captain Marvel, the company would just write off female protagonists for a long while.) And Carol does have a lot of feminist themes going back to her first series, they're really prominent in the movie, too. I'm not sure Marvel really needs a "premier female hero" that way, but it was definitely a huge gap in their publishing line and their films, for a while.
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CBR has an article about Timeless #1, something that I hadn't gotten up to yet but there's a major spoiler page and I am extremely excited for what this could mean. The URL has a spoiler in it so I'm not linking anything as of right now.
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Rhyno posted:CBR has an article about Timeless #1, something that I hadn't gotten up to yet but there's a major spoiler page and I am extremely excited for what this could mean. Is this it? Spoilers, obviously.
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Dec 29, 2021 17:55
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Yes! I forgot how to VB code stuff like that.
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Dec 29, 2021 17:57
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It's odd that it's taken this long.
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Dec 29, 2021 18:01
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Holy jumping, that's huge! A World War Hulk type story where Thing has at last re-embraced being Blackbeard and leads legions of pirates against the world's heroes?! Make Mine Marvel!
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Dec 29, 2021 18:07
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Rhyno posted:More people care about Genis than ever cared about Marv. In a way Mar-vell reminds me of Barry Allen in the best thing he ever did was die. And happily we haven't been subjected to attempts to bring him back.
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Dawgstar posted:In a way Mar-vell reminds me of Barry Allen in the best thing he ever did was die. And happily we haven't been subjected to attempts to bring him back. Earth X, Civil War and AVX! I think it was Tom Brevoort who said that after Earth X they put serious consideration into reviving Mar-vell. And when they pulled the trigger with the Civil War one shot I thought using the proposed Barry Allen return from Crisis idea was pretty good. (the idea being that Barry would run into the time stream when he's about to destroy the Anti-Monitor's weapon and he'd appear in the then current day DCU. He'd stick around and have some adventures but he'd be aware that at some point he'd have to return to finish the job).
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the marketing around Timeless was pretty misleading, IMO - I was led to believe that this would be equivalent to the Incoming one-shot from 2019, using Kang as a framing device to tease various upcoming Marvel storylines, but instead, the vast majority is just a Kang story, with only a smattering of panels and lines of dialogue teasing 2022 storylines. This isn't really a complaint, to be fair, it makes for a better comic the last-page reveal had me audibly groaning, though
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Rhyno posted:Earth X, Civil War and AVX! Yeah, I'd forgotten those, admittedly. I guess I meant more 'sustained on-going which eventually threw his more interesting successor under the bus.'
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