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Oxyclean posted:DS2 good and fun, and generally more gooder and funner then DS3. 
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I love Nioh's gameplay since it's so technical and has a billion cool options but I definitely agree with the diablo loot taking away from it. I'm not even opposed to having it but please, go a but less hard on it
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Dec 28, 2021 07:00
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I don't know how you can say this when Agility is a thing. Like, I thought about maybe revisiting DS2 for return to drangleic, but bleh, agility and lifegems are some of the things that just drag that game down in my mind.
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Dec 28, 2021 14:39
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The best thing about DS2 is how angry it makes people.
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Dec 28, 2021 14:44
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Agility is fine when you know that it's there (and therefore know to put points there to get the desired iframe breakpoint) but man does it make the game worse for people playing for the first time since your rolls will be awful and you have no idea why
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Dec 28, 2021 15:00
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Idk, I think it's still pretty lame knowing its there because it just feels like a build tax. But I don't really want to over state my point since my original feeling was mostly that I enjoyed DS3 more. I can't help but feel like DS3 is where they basically managed to shank the jank off, and it's the one that stands out in my mind as just feeling the best.
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Dec 28, 2021 15:11
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Oh, DS2 has a number of indefensible design decisions, it's just that the core gameplay is still Souls so it's not enough to spoil the game for a number of people.
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Dec 28, 2021 15:31
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Dias posted:Oh, DS2 has a number of indefensible design decisions, it's just that the core gameplay is still Souls so it's not enough to spoil the game for a number of people. DS2's core gameplay is souls in the same way that Lords of the Fallen's is.
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Dec 28, 2021 15:33
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DS2 has powerstance so it has to be doing something right.
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Dabir posted:DS2's core gameplay is souls in the same way that Lords of the Fallen's is. Nah, it's recognizably cut from the same cloth as DS1 and DS3 in terms of how weapons work, etc. It's just the weird one in the series because of a bunch of weak design decisions, and YMMV when it comes to which ones you hate or not. Like, I couldn't give a gently caress about it not being geographically correct at the end of the day, but ADP is stupid and some of the ambushes just felt obnoxious even when you knew they were coming.
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Dec 28, 2021 15:41
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DS2 also has by far the best multiplayer out of the souls games. Bellbros for life
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Dec 28, 2021 15:43
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I think what really click Nioh2 for me over DS3 which I bounced off 3 times before finally getting through it ... was that Nioh at least gives you some ability to actually control enemy movement and positioning. If I needed to get a guy to a spot or to pivot around him I can do that with some technical skill and moves. Dark souls always felt like you're kind of just at the mercy of whatever the AI decides is pathfinding today so if they decide to physics to the side and put you in a bad spot you're usually just kind of hosed unless you're using one of the weapons with any area control. I do like how different weapons will have moves like pole-vaulting, or catching and reeling enemies into you in Nioh 2. Overall, honestly, it also reminds me a lot of Monster Hunter in that the story and all the systems are just functional trappings around the fights. I'm cool with that, but I could see how that's not something that'd be very streamable for a full playthrough. Dias posted:I mean, I've pretty much established that Souls Fans Are The Worst, that's independent of what game they prefer, so... Imo there's worse fandoms than Souls, but there was no reason to start a DS2 vs DS3 slapfight. Everyone's got different Goldilocks-testing-porridge reactions to all the games. (Also Bloodborne is the best one anyway.)
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Bloodborne has blood vials and being trapped on ps4 going against it tho Like idk why you would walk back from a great design like estus
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Agreed, Bloodborne is dope + good. I think I'd enjoy the Souls series more if I played like an rear end in a top hat and tried to speedrun the game, my experiences were 20min of dredging thru an area, dying, repeating, etc. It's why I think the whole "don't use the Drake Sword" spiel doesn't make sense, the game isn't fair, I wanna break it in turn.
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Dec 28, 2021 16:24
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the game is pretty fair tbh
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Dec 28, 2021 16:26
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Oxyclean posted:Bloodborne has blood vials and being trapped on ps4 going against it tho They've never quite perfected how estus works tbh. The Rite of Kindling giving you 15-20 chugs in DS1 unbalanced it. DS2 was stingy for a long time and broke the healing with infinite lifegems early on. DS3 wants you to choose between healing health and magic, but nobody bothers with that and carts around 15 chugs again by the end anyway. Ironically, I wish the blood vials worked more like Nioh's healing system, where you can set up situations that auto-buy more blood vials if you run out or you get freebies by finding some secrets in the level. But it'd require some reworking, since the primary way you get a back stock of healing elixirs is feeding your leftover Diablo trash loot to the kodama shrine. Dias posted:Agreed, Bloodborne is dope + good. I think the Drake Sword is fine if you like it. The problem is that it's a newbie trap because people don't upgrade other weapons or properly improve their damage stats because they're used to the sword's flat raw damage carrying through, and that falls off at an almost perfectly-timed point around when a normally-upgraded longsword or whatever and improved stats will outdamage it. If you're using it in the early game while you're working on your other stats and weapons, heck go for it. The 2-handed R2 is fun as heck to hit with. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Dabir posted:DS2's core gameplay is souls in the same way that Lords of the Fallen's is. woah woah woah, let's not say things we can't take back. DS2 is still an enjoyable game.
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Andrast posted:the game is pretty fair tbh I'unno if I would describe Sen's Fortress or the first time you deal with the gargoyles or having a stat attached to your iframes as fair, but hey. It's fine, a game doesn't need to be fair to be well-balanced, roguelikes aren't fair and you can get really consistent at them.
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Dias posted:I'unno if I would describe Sen's Fortress or the first time you deal with the gargoyles or having a stat attached to your iframes as fair, but hey. It's fine, a game doesn't need to be fair to be well-balanced, roguelikes aren't fair and you can get really consistent at them. DS1 doesn't have a stat attached to your iframes, that was just 2 and Sen's fortress is fair 
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Nuns with Guns posted:They've never quite perfected how estus works tbh. The Rite of Kindling giving you 15-20 chugs in DS1 unbalanced it. DS2 was stingy for a long time and broke the healing with infinite lifegems early on. DS3 wants you to choose between healing health and magic, but nobody bothers with that and carts around 15 chugs again by the end anyway. Eh, I think DS1 estus works fine from the perspective a new player who might not realize they can just get 15-20 chugs at every bonfire, and even then, it's just that "easy mode is already built it" stuff grogs get mad about when you suggest a difficulty select wouldn't hurt the game. Estus is by no means perfect across the games, but blood vials just feels like a step back - having to stop and grind out vials because you end up using them faster then you're getting them, sucks. Maybe they could have had a system where the first 10 each life were free to better work with the "you always get 10" when you have none?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErToST-4Gm0 I am so glad I got Pat to focus on the Queen's deepfake 
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in my experience people who rail against ds2 super hard often associate with less then savory political camps.... obviously you shouldn't make generalizations but it's wise to be suspicious in this day and age. be careful
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Farg posted:in my experience people who rail against ds2 super hard often associate with less then savory political camps.... obviously you shouldn't make generalizations but it's wise to be suspicious in this day and age. be careful DS2 fans and Snyder Cut campaigners: the same people? Who can say, but be wary.
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TaurusOxford posted:woah woah woah, let's not say things we can't take back. DS2 is still an enjoyable game. lmao no it isn't
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Dec 28, 2021 21:56
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Take your DS talk to the Dark Souls game thread ye reprobates
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DS2 had power stance and the best weapons in the whole series, also the best online in general. It's also the most fun of the three.
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Yardbomb posted:DS2 had power stance and the best weapons in the whole series, also the best online in general. DS2 is still my favorite Dark Souls to play in general. The fact that there's more weapon options is reason enough alone. Elden Ring is bringing Power Stancing back and has justified the Dark Souls 2 likers. DS2 haters vacate, history has absolved us
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https://twitter.com/RSSLiam/status/1475940068137357313 Liam out here being the hero we need.
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Woolie solved the piano puzzle in SH1 without a guide (unlike the coward pat)
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/RSSLiam/status/1475940068137357313 He's right.
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Vanderdeath posted:DS2 is still my favorite Dark Souls to play in general. The fact that there's more weapon options is reason enough alone. Yeah really, more weapons on top of power stance basically giving that already broader selection essentially new movesets just makes it so much more fun to experiment in and swap around stuff, hell, I played a run that for a lot of it I used dual whips in and out of power stance that was the goofiest thing, but still ended up being fun, without even mentioning how cool fist weapons got to be in DS2 thanks to some of the weirder ones, power stance and the BONE FIST existing. Also that Liam tweet is correct.
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Dec 29, 2021 01:39
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i do have to give ds2 credit for having an item to make barehanded fighting viable damage-wise
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Dec 29, 2021 01:46
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actually dark souls 2 isnt even a real souls game because patches isnt in it.
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Vanderdeath posted:DS2 is still my favorite Dark Souls to play in general. The fact that there's more weapon options is reason enough alone. Call me when it brings back core DS2 features like the animations being awful and all the levels sucking complete poo poo
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Dec 29, 2021 03:02
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A typical Souls game is hitbox porn. DS2 IS hitbox snuff.
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Dabir posted:Call me when it brings back core DS2 features like the animations being awful and all the levels sucking complete poo poo All the levels sucking poo poo is the thing ds2 shares the most with ds1
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/RSSLiam/status/1475940068137357313 One walked so the other could run
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Lot of the areas in DS2 were also cooler than most in the others.
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scary ghost dog posted:actually dark souls 2 isnt even a real souls game because patches isnt in it. That means Armored Core:For Answer is a Souls game.
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Dark Souls is the best game for the people of today because it rapidly deteriorates in quality like french fries you try to bring home from the restaurant. Just a steep and accelerating dip in enjoyment past Firelink Shrine. Which gives everyone at least 5 things to complain about, which is the real reason we play video games.
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