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Cowslips Warren posted:I still don't understand why we needed The Kid at all in King's expanded The Stand. He did nothing of value at all other than some shock gore. Well, now we know why it was cut in the first place. The Stand was the only one to get the "Uncut and unabridged" treatment after the original version was published, right? AFAIK, the original version really didn't lose anything, it was all filler that was added back in.
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Randalor posted:Well, now we know why it was cut in the first place. The Stand was the only one to get the "Uncut and unabridged" treatment after the original version was published, right? AFAIK, the original version really didn't lose anything, it was all filler that was added back in. IIRC the ‘no great loss’ chapter was some of the cut material and it’s probably the best chapter in the book.
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Dec 27, 2021 12:56
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Eh, it was no great loss.
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Dec 27, 2021 13:47
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Nah I liked that chapter, if only because it proves God is a super dick. We don't see (save a mention of the prison maybe) anyone on Flagg's team being killed or dying in such ways, but that was a good chapter. I still don't get why it seems to be hard for The Stand films/miniseries to get a good Harold. He's not supposed to be Hollywood Homely.
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Ikr? I pictured Harold looking like Jonah Hill as he was in Superbad but with a seriously visible mean streak.
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Casting Parker Lewis in the '94 one was probably not the best casting choice, though they gave him like big nerd glasses.
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Barry Foster posted:That was from Monkey Dust. Whoops. Yeah that makes more sense. Sorry.
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Harold's whole thing was that he was only ugly because he didn't take care of himself. in the second half of the book he has a whole big revelation about how none of the people in the Boulder Free Zone remember him as the pimply, fat, writer weirdo. they only see the hardworking, healthy, friendly young man he presents to them, because that's the only version of him they know. he comes within a hairs' breadth of making a full heel face turn and allowing the facade to become the truth, but then Nadine hosed it all up for him
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Chloe Jessica posted:Harold's whole thing was that he was only ugly because he didn't take care of himself. in the second half of the book he has a whole big revelation about how none of the people in the Boulder Free Zone remember him as the pimply, fat, writer weirdo. they only see the hardworking, healthy, friendly young man he presents to them, because that's the only version of him they know. Well yes but in the miniseries, he isn't a fat pimply weirdo. But in the 2020 series, loving hell did they ruin the story and characters and the entire "let's do scenes out of order!" Flagg would not have had loving orgies and allowed drugs in his Vegas, the book and first series were pretty clear about the reasons why.
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Dec 28, 2021 03:00
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Casting Parker Lewis in the '94 one was probably not the best casting choice, though they gave him like big nerd glasses. parker lewis can't lose
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Dec 28, 2021 03:02
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It's Always Sunny is a good example of a show that makes it's characters look worse with makeup a lot, especially the McPoyles.
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Khizan posted:IIRC the ‘no great loss’ chapter was some of the cut material and it’s probably the best chapter in the book. It was cut. I have a copy of the original and unabridged versions.
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Dec 28, 2021 03:43
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Cowslips Warren posted:Well yes but in the miniseries, he isn't a fat pimply weirdo. In the original miniseries he's played by a young Corin Nemec, so only the "fat" part doesn't apply. I didn't watch the 2020 series, but Christ that sounds terrible. Flagg doesn't just not permit drugs in Vegas, in the book he literally crucifies people for using them.
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Dec 28, 2021 11:07
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I watched both the 2020 series and the original back to back last year, not having read the book or seen the original prior. I ultimately liked the original version better. It's paced better, has more room to breathe. Putting scenes out of order in the new one didn't really seem to serve a purpose other than to generate shocking twists or revelations. Plus, I generally have a soft spot for that era of early 90s television. 90s Flagg was more menacing. After seeing the 90s one, I realized that two characters in the new one had been combined into one for the 90s one. I confirmed with a friend who read the book that it was the case. Combining those characters was a smart move.
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The 90s one also has Joe Bob Briggs for some reason. He is not an actor and you can tell.
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Dec 28, 2021 21:22
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Der Kyhe posted:Wasn't there already a pilot for a sitcom where the group was Al-Qaeda sleeper cell that was activated but really didn't want to do stuff because they liked living in the Western world, or a I thinking some MAD-TV skit? Is it possible you're thinking of Sleeper Cell? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_Cell_(TV_series)
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Dec 28, 2021 21:46
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I caught part of the ‘Quagmire’s Dad’ episode of Family Guy last night. Geez. Just...geez. That’s a looot of transphobia I really didn’t need to see.
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Dec 28, 2021 21:52
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Vandar posted:I caught part of the ‘Quagmire’s Dad’ episode of Family Guy last night.
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Yeah, the further back you go the more of a minefield it is. I love that Seth genuinely still thinks that's his 'apology' to trans people for all the other lovely jokes. Also rewatching other stuff he did recently he's got...he's got a real hate-on for Asian people huh? Like, I think both Ted movies had a weird, completely out of nowhere, Asian caricature and it feels like there's a lot of Family Guy with that poo poo too.
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I’ve tried a couple of times to tune back into Family Guy to see if maybe I’d misjudged it. Every single time it was like the show was going out of its way to reassure me that no, I’m not missing anything, it’s irredeemable trash. The last time, yeah, there was an honest-to-god buck-toothed, coolie-hat wearing Chinese stereotype staring out of the TV at me. I really hate that show.
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Dec 29, 2021 04:24
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sexpig by night posted:I love that Seth genuinely still thinks that's his 'apology' to trans people for all the other lovely jokes. Edit: This was bad intel I was told and just uncritically accepted. Seth is actually just super-duper racist. Old Post containing bad intel: His wife is Chinese. It's .... not cool but he's basically specifically making fun of his inlaws which is a comedy tradition dating back to slightly after someone joked about a newlywed wife farting on her husband's lap but before scamming bronze was the new crypto hotness. Vitruvian Manic has a new favorite as of 05:12 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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Dec 29, 2021 04:37
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It's kind of a weird thing. The wife in American Dad has adopted Asian parents who are stereotypically rude and overbearing, but they're also established as genuinely respecting Stan. (They just don't see that as a reason not to be rude and overbearing to him)
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Dec 29, 2021 04:44
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Seth's core audience is people whose sense of humor peaked in 7th grade and then stayed there.
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Dec 29, 2021 04:47
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Vitruvian Manic posted:His wife is Chinese. It's .... not cool but he's basically specifically making fun of his inlaws which is a comedy tradition dating back to slightly after someone joked about a newlywed wife farting on her husband's lap but before scamming bronze was the new crypto hotness. alright that genuinely does make it less weird at least. Like, still weird considering how often he goes to that well but at least he's poking fun at actual people and not just the concept of a Chinese person.
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Nahnatchka Khan (creator of Don’t Trust the B in Apt. 23 and some other things I guess) also was on the show staff so like it’s possible some of those jokes were of the “well it’s funny if you’re part of that community” variety, but in execution it comes off as lazy.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:His wife is Chinese. It's .... not cool but he's basically specifically making fun of his inlaws which is a comedy tradition dating back to slightly after someone joked about a newlywed wife farting on her husband's lap but before scamming bronze was the new crypto hotness. What on earth are you talking about  He has never been married and dates a bunch of young white women
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sexpig by night posted:alright that genuinely does make it less weird at least. Like, still weird considering how often he goes to that well but at least he's poking fun at actual people and not just the concept of a Chinese person. I mean, that's a little too much credit. He's absolutely making fun of the concept of a Chinese person. He's a hammy showbiz guy who adores musical theater so he's going to take everything up to 11. Like, there are ways of making a "These people eat food different from what I am used to and it is intimidating" without being lazy and racist about it. Seth is not up to that task. That explains it, it doesn't excuse it.
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Ror posted:What on earth are you talking about I stand corrected. That is what I was told and it made sense to me given the level of anti-asian vitriol. If it isn't true, I'll happily retract the commentary. I don't really care enough about it to do things like verify it. My apologies.
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lol wait what the gently caress googling it says he's single and every relationship he's had public looks like a generic hollywood white couple yea man dude just is racist as poo poo
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I have edited the post. I was working off of bad intel I had uncritically accepted. My apologies.
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mark wahlberg is married to a vietnamese woman, I'll have you know
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Rush Limbaugh appeared a couple times and was pushed outside the show as a "Look at how two people on opposite political sides can be friends" thing.
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Rush even got his own song and dance number!  https://youtu.be/N6pv0_eK960 Vandar has a new favorite as of 12:02 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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Even so, it would actually be worse to racially caricature your own in laws on your highly popular cartoon show He is a white man who made a show satirising black family sitcoms (I think I'm not going to actually look up or learn anything about the Cleveland show)
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Vandar posted:Rush even got his own song and dance number! :negative 
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:Even so, it would actually be worse to racially caricature your own in laws on your highly popular cartoon show I’m not sure it’s fair to hold anything in the Cleveland Show against him, because in order to do so you would have to watch or read about it. Much better for society to just forget the whole thing imo
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McFarlane shows are always referencing poo poo from the absolute worst era of TV like, there's nothing even charming about how terrible TV was in the 70s and 80s
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Alaois posted:mark wahlberg is married to a vietnamese woman, I'll have you know
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