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Professor Beetus posted:Love to get slightly different perspectives in here, and a little comparing/contrasting would be nice to read from someone with multiple, yeah. Cool thanks boss. Late February 2020 California. My ex's 31 year old best friend Jane is in ICU with pneumonia, induced coma and vented. She's on vent a long time but I can't remember the specifics, except in March the hospital is saying "It's not COVID". It wasn't until May or June that she was informed that it was COVID (I'm not sure how, probably a measure of antibodies later?), but that was the official diagnosis much later. She still has trouble walking, and I think she's diagnosed with brain damage. At least she regained her taste. Her relationship fell apart because she had to go live with her mother in the central valley while her boyfriend barely treads water on minimum wage in a share house. The state doesn't provide enough money or care for her to stay in the big city with him. So ended 10 year era for Jane, now back where she started in worse health and no lover. In late February I remember getting a fever, achey, and being extremely tired for a day, but instead of it developing into snot/sore throat like my colds always do it went away very quickly. Never got tested for antibodies because you know, scared of leaving my apartment and dying because I'm a fat computer toucher alcoholic that could work from home. So COVID March 2020 kicks off and my employer tells us we're 100% remote working now. I was already giving all workers laptops, split tunnel VPN always on, enterprise Zoom, metro area so fellow workers all had decent broadband internet, we actually did really well my work life didn't suddenly become harder. It actually became a lot easier, more productive, and I got so much more time back not having to commute in a big California city. Rent was going down as fellow computer touchers and techies left the city for elsewhere. I could get groceries delivered. If I didn't read real news sources and SA I might have been almost happy...but My fellow American workers in other jobs though were absolutely fed into a meatgrinder of fear, depression and death. The governments in the USA seemed to do nothing. It seemed like after the initial month or two of lockdown, the powerful decided they could open it all up and let the virus take its course. I remember reading about some American states not being able to run their unemployment/dole systems, unemployed workers unable to call and state websites erroring out. So months with no assistance, hungry. Charity food pantries and kitchens with lines around the block. The tents lining the streets of my neighborhood grew in number. There are SO many homeless people. Literal shanty towns have appeared, too. Corrugated iron and tents attached to scrap wood structures. Australia closed it's borders and seemed to be doing covid zero really well. My family were really scared for me, we 'Zoomed' but their lives were basically exactly the same until Victoria Melbourne had its first wild-type outbreak. Then after a short lockdown even Melbourne was back to normal except my cousins couldn't fly to Bali to haggle over a $2 watch, OMG did they suffer. During Australia's first lockdown the governments implemented 'Jobkeeper' (As opposed to Jobseeker which is their branding for unemployment welfare), pumping money into businesses and workers to keep them afloat. Extra money for workers to pay their rent and buy food. But I recently learned that governments funneling millions into corporations that don't need it, a redistribution of tax money back to Capital, isn't only an American thing, it happened in Australia too. But overall it seemed that the Australian feds and state governments did a better job supporting workers vs. say California/NY. That was my impression from afar and through my mums calls. Where I lived in California there is still no city or state run check-in for tracking system. I don't recall even hearing about an opt-in 'report it and let us know' system, though I've never tested positive on PCR tests to perhaps be brought into such a tracking system. Pretty sure it just doesn't exist. But in Australia they have QR codes that you scan, everywhere. The state notifies you of a close contact with someone that is positive, so you quickly know to isolate and get a test. Contact tracing seemed like it was really good in Australia, comparatively. Then this happened earlier this month:  On the news today according to mum NSW is abandoning contact tracing. Australia started opening 'er up just as Omicron hit, and didn't re-implement any NPIs while cases started exploding. It seems like the governments just collectively gambled, and didn't want to reverse anything for political reasons just as Australians were heading into their 2nd 'normal' COVID Christmas. My dreams of a zero covid vacation in Australia were dashed a long time ago, but my runner-up dream of a properly managed pandemic vacation was just dashed last week. Now my dream of a properly run healthcare system vacation is possibly going to be destroyed, too. Too early to tell I guess, but I feel for the Aussie healthcare workers, their governments have just completely screwed them. Specifics of getting into Australia follow. Prior to widespread vaccination and 'open-er-up' in Australia, aka zero covid .au era, citizens and permanent residents were allowed to enter. Australian states set up hotels (now very empty since tourism was not happening) with COVID floors where returning people had to quarantine for 14 days. Some hotels were better about feeding their guests, but I did see some horror stories of rotten fruit and airplane-quality sandwiches. All this costing the returning person thousands of dollars, it wasn't free. Getting into Australia was still not easy though. Getting on a flight without being bumped off was luck of the draw or extremely expensive. This was because the quarantine hotels might be full and telling the airlines there was nowhere for the passengers to go, so the airlines would bump off the cheaper economy passengers and keep the business+ passengers only for the few spots in quarantine. The Australian feds hadn't bothered to build more space for returning Australians. So families with kids, people that couldn't afford business class, they kept getting bumped off flights. And economy wasn't cheap, either. Once Australia hit vaccination targets Victoria and NSW reduced 14 days mandatory quarantine for all returning residents and citizens. I was able to fly into NSW and stay in what they call "Isolation" for 3 days, provided I had a < 72 hour neg PCR in the USA, proof of vaccination, another neg PCR within 24 hours of arriving and promised to get one last PCR on day 6. Isolation could happen at home or in a hotel, I opted for a hotel and stayed 7 days because obviously such a policy is not based on the science of the time. All tests in Australia have been free so far, despite me not being a resident any more and therefor not being part of their Medicare universal healthcare system. Wait times were long, first one took an hour, second test we waited 3 hours, and this morning we found out some people just slept outside the testing clinic overnight, after being turned away at 7:30am the prior day because the line was already too long/all day. I think it's a combination of post Christmas testing but also interstate travel requirements for Queensland. Here's a flyer that I was handed as I arrived in Sydney:  In California I paid $90USD for a < 24hour turnaround PCR. This was a drive-through near the international airport. Booking was a 15min appointment window. I didn't wait, just drove right in. < 2hour test was $140USD. Self-administered, blow-nose-into-tissue-then-swab. Shhh don't tell the Australian feds it was self-administered >_> I really enjoyed waiting in the international terminal because I'd find an isolated spot to sit and someone would waltz over, sit down close by < 10 feet away then take off their mask to eat. I went through this 3 times, moving to a new seat further away each time. I don't know why those people were coming near me, the terminal was much emptier than pre-covid times. Cloth masks as far as the eye can see. On the flight itself mask compliance was generally pretty good. My fellow passengers nearby wore theirs when asleep, pleasantly surprised. So now I wait and see what happens to the Australian hospitals. My family is harping on about 'less severe omicron' but at this rate it seems like even this so called mild covid is going to overwhelm. I spent last Christmas alone because I couldn't travel to my ex's as southern california's hospitals nearly collapsed, so I couldn't risk getting ill or injured in other ways and that was absolutely my lowest point. My plans to travel in what seemed like a much better country are possibly heading this way too. At least I got to see mum one more time. Sorry I'm not a writer, please ask me specific questions but maybe some of this was interesting. Perhaps if just for the flyer. edit: new page sassy floofy cat tax. 
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Slow News Day posted:I found out an hour ago that my best friend has been hospitalized due to covid. Her boss fully bought into the "omicron is mild" stuff, and made her come to work because she was initially just sneezing and had a headache. Her situation deteriorated very quickly after that apparently, and by the time she got home she was feeling short of breath and they rusher her to the hospital. Her mom said she got her booster a few days ago, but I guess it hadn't kicked in yet. I'm really sorry to hear that. One of the few things I hoped would stick after Covid was at least some resistance to the idea that one should tough it out and come to work sick, but that seems hopelessly naive looking back on it. Echoing EHF and wishing her a speedy recovery.
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CalvinandHobbes posted:This is absolutely my take as well. You can do all sorts of "models" where N95s will prevent aerosols or smoke transfer better than surgical masks, but epidemiologic studies on infection prevention with masking so no meaningful difference. That meta‐analysis is junk.  Look at the Radonovich study that is so heavily weighted. quote:Participants were instructed to wear their assigned protective devices (ie, N95 respirators or medical masks) during the 12-week period (the intervention period) during which the incidence of viral respiratory illness and infections was expected to be highest that year, as predicted by the ALERT algorithm20 developed for this trial. Participants were instructed to put on a new device whenever they were positioned within 6 feet (1.83 m) of patients with suspected or confirmed respiratory illness. They were using N95 respirators incorrectly. They should be worn continuously, not merely when stepping within six feet of the patient. Radonovich’s work is akin to “proving” that parachutes don’t work by opening them six feet from the ground. The 2013 MacIntyre study actually found this directly. quote:Participants were randomized by ward to three arms: (1) medical masks at all times on shift; (2) N95 respirators at all times on shift; and (3) targeted (intermittent) use of N95 respirators only while doing high-risk procedures or barrier. The targeted N95 arm was studied because policies in many countries advocate the use of N95 respirators only when the HCW is in a high-risk situation, such as barrier nursing of a patient with known respiratory illness or when conducting aerosol-generating procedures. Side note, even if targeted use deserved serious consideration, it’s not valid to pool studies of targeted use with studies of continuous use. Those are different interventions.
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Why are people in here saying Omicron isn't milder when heaps of credible scentists and experts are saying the opposite https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/28/omicron-is-not-the-same-disease-as-earlier-covid-waves-says-uk-scientist Obviously infection rates are bad, but there seems to be a denial in this thread of the core fact that is Omicron itself is less severe. I dunno why.
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Bearinabox posted:Why are people in here saying Omicron isn't milder when heaps of credible scentists and experts are saying the opposite “appears to be less severe and many people spend a relatively short time in hospital”. Oh is that all? It just “appears” less severe and people get a nice short stay at the hospital. Covid is over I guess?
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Bearinabox posted:Why are people in here saying Omicron isn't milder when heaps of credible scentists and experts are saying the opposite Probably because there isn't anything credible enough to say one way or the other regardless of anyone's preferred outcome/narrative Like we're still waiting for proper analysis of data out of the first places hit, a lot of the anger isn't because of this but because governments are forcing people back to in person poo poo while everything is still totally uncertain. Meanwhile, all of the people who have been wrong about everything my entire life are saying this is mild. Will this be the first time they are right? Maybe, but it doesn't change anything for grunts and now-former WFH people
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Bearinabox posted:Why are people in here saying Omicron isn't milder when heaps of credible scentists and experts are saying the opposite I'm neither a doctor nor a smart person, but what I'm getting is that the argument is: omicron showed up so late that between vaccinations and naturally-obtained antibodies, it's hitting a much less naive population than previous variants. Seems like after attempting to correct for that, some sources are asserting that this is more of the same and we shouldn't be too cavalier about it.
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People are also mistaking "milder" with "mild".
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I can tell you about moving from Western Australia to New Jersey before the pandemic: I did not foresee the specific reason why that would be regrettable. On that note: hospitalizations are increasing rather dramatically in NJ. Whether deaths follow suit remains to be seen. But even if an ICU crush is avoided by omicron being milder (than delta) and patients being discharged faster, it's still not exactly thrilling news to have an incredibly infectious variant. I did see articles suggesting that: - it's unclear whether omicron is inherently milder or whether vaccines are preventing serious illness (some speculation that it's at least as bad as wildtype in unvaccinated) - it may give immunity to delta and push it out entirely, but it's too early to tell. If omicron runs it's course in South Africa, couldn't delta re-emerge? I suppose it depends on what fraction of the unvaccinated population gets natural immunity.
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:People are also mistaking "milder" with "mild". "Mild ranch, or milder ranch?"
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Bearinabox posted:Why are people in here saying Omicron isn't milder when heaps of credible scentists and experts are saying the opposite Not only is it less severe, omicron seems to provide immunity to delta (and possibly other covid variants as well). Biden and Fauci should be honest with people that the goal at this point is to get as much omicron herd immunity spread while not overwhelming the hospital system, since that is clearly what shortening the quarantine, playing stingy with tests, and their current messaging is intended to do. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mild in a medical sense means you're in the hospital but don't need oxygen not just the sniffles
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Not only is it less severe, omicron seems to provide immunity to delta (and possibly other covid variants as well). Biden and Fauci should be honest with people that the goal at this point is to get as much omicron herd immunity spread while not overwhelming the hospital system, since that is clearly what shortening the quarantine, playing stingy with tests, and their current messaging is intended to do. The medical system is already overwhelmed
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Not only is it less severe, omicron seems to provide immunity to delta (and possibly other covid variants as well). Biden and Fauci should be honest with people that the goal at this point is to get as much omicron herd immunity spread while not overwhelming the hospital system, since that is clearly what shortening the quarantine, playing stingy with tests, and their current messaging is intended to do. That would be a death sentence to everyone who is immune compromised. It would also be enacting a policy Trump suggested in 2020.
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Also even if omicron is milder, it doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Encouraging everyone in the country to just catch the disease seems like a great way to get a dozen new variants, some of which could be much worse or even just a little worse.
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Google Butt posted:The medical system is already overwhelmed Which is - tellingly and correctly - why Biden has sent national FEMA and military assistance to the hospital system. The death rate for omicron is less severe than that for previous variants and finally, actually, less than the flu (as the common right-wing refrain has been throughout this disaster). Of course, it is still bad if everyone in the country gets the flu at once, which is why the CDC and Biden admin are still encouraging mask wearing, social distancing, and vaccination despite the ultimate goal of infecting 70 to 80 percent of the population. KittyEmpress posted:Also even if omicron is milder, it doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Encouraging everyone in the country to just catch the disease seems like a great way to get a dozen new variants, some of which could be much worse or even just a little worse. There is no other way out of this, unfortunately. And the tendency over time will be for greater infectiousness and lower lethality, as we've seen.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Not only is it less severe, omicron seems to provide immunity to delta (and possibly other covid variants as well). Biden and Fauci should be honest with people that the goal at this point is to get as much omicron herd immunity spread while not overwhelming the hospital system, since that is clearly what shortening the quarantine, playing stingy with tests, and their current messaging is intended to do. this is a very bad plan
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https://twitter.com/AndrewMakeTweet/status/1475931315115466752 uh, sorry to ask this thread to source check for me, but is this guy remotely credible? i am 100% cynical about the cdc's actions and this feels too out there even for me A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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Magic Underwear posted:So, a preprint, funded by patients who self selected, who self reported their symptoms, everything from shrinking penis to complete blindness in a 205 symptom gumbo. How is anyone supposed to take this seriously? By the way the top three are 1. I'm tired 2. I get tired after exerting myself (because most people don't get tired after exertion I guess) 3. I think my brain doesn't work as well as it used to. "Long Covid" has drawn a lot of what conservatives wish climate change was: fat wads of hysteria pushed by people who would like to control the lives of others. That said, "booster now for a bigger cock later" would do a lot for solving the problem!
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/AndrewMakeTweet/status/1475931315115466752 It communicates zero new information other than an anonymously sourced "CDC staff" who somehow believes they should know of national guidance changes in advance.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:There is no other way out of this, unfortunately. And the tendency over time will be for greater infectiousness and lower lethality, as we've seen. Can I quote you if it becomes far more lethal?
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Discendo Vox posted:It communicates zero new information other than an anonymously sourced "CDC staff" who somehow believes they should know of national guidance changes in advance. again, i cannot comment on the credibility of the source, but taken at face value, personnel being asked to scientifically justify a decision only after the fact seems pretty loving sketch to me
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:The death rate for omicron is less severe than that for previous variants and finally, actually, less than the flu (as the common right-wing refrain has been throughout this disaster). What the gently caress are you talking about.
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Ranter posted:USA to Australia journey This was interesting, thanks. A clarification I'd make is that NSW did indeed backflip on NPIs and reintroduce indoor masking and QR check-ins the other day, Victoria never repealed them to begin with, and the other states immediately introduced them as they opened their borders and started getting cases over the past few weeks. I agree that it feels like the "reopening" plans (whether that was exiting lockdown, or opening borders and thus exiting zero-COVID) were set in stone before Omicron emerged and the premiers are now stuck with them from a combination of not wanting to back down on a political level, but also knowing on a practical level they can't, really, once it has its hooks in the community. But I'd feel more comfortable if Victoria still had pub/restaurant capacity limitations, indoor gyms were still closed and we were still urging people to WFH where possible. Without knowing how much you've been out and about since exiting quarantine recently, what would you say are the differences in the average American's attitude to the virus to the average Australian's? Though even within Australia I think that varies wildly - I know a lot of Victorians dgaf anymore and are resigned to eventually catching it and just want their lives back, whereas most of the people I know back in WA still think it's as frightening as it was in March 2020. Epic High Five posted:Probably because there isn't anything credible enough to say one way or the other regardless of anyone's preferred outcome/narrative When diverse groupings of scientists and health authorities in South Africa and Denmark and the UK and my own country are all in lockstep saying that it's overall less deadly and less likely to hospitalise a person than Delta, that's "credible" enough for me. Google Butt posted:Mild in a medical sense means you're in the hospital but don't need oxygen not just the sniffles I've seen this narrative popping up a lot lately, to imply that all "mild" cases will still make you dangerously unwell, which is obviously not true. One in three cases were asymptomatic and only a small minority of cases needed hospitalisation even before we had vaccines, let alone now.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:There is no other way out of this, unfortunately. And the tendency over time will be for greater infectiousness and lower lethality, as we've seen.
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https://twitter.com/JamesWard73/status/1475947093550317575 TLDR: Seems like even counting for vaccinations, Omicron is causing less hospitilisations per case than Delta. People requiring ventiliation has hardly changed from the numbers pre-Omicron. Unrelated, but the UK seems to have run out of all types of tests however, which is less good news.
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It's not just observational studies either. The studies that it grows less well in human lung tissue and the studies showing infected model animals have less lung damage. All the arguments against that at this point seem to be purely moral arguments. That it's not true because if you say it's true people's behavior will be wrong. As if it may be factually true but spiritually it's our duty to say it's not.
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Google Butt posted:The medical system is already overwhelmed Yeah uh, if theres one thing that needs to be stated, is that hte patients that arent covid are still higher acuity then they were before covid, its insane.
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Biden sent 1000 guys across 50 states. That won't be enough to check exponential spread
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Denmark - 29 December  This is the sound of Omicron taking off, with a Danish accent. The website is slow today, possibly since everyone is looking to see how bad things are. BEGIN HANDWAVING AND SPECULATION SECTION I would say that it looks like there is a 7-day lag from "new cases" affecting the "new hospitalization" numbers, which obviously drive the ICU admissions. If this is substantially correct, then the jump from the 8000-case-a-day level to 13,000-cases-a-day on the 20/21 December is resulting in the increase in hospitalization numbers on the 27/28. In which case we would see it stabilize for a few days, maybe even a small drop, but around the 3rd January I would expect it to be like 200, then maybe even 300 if the ratio holds on 5th January. ICU cases? "more than now" but no idea. END HANDWAVING AND SPECULATION SECTION pre:Denmark Covid Cases ------------------------------------ Dec 29 23,228 new cases, 1205 reinfections, 173 new hospitalizations (675 total), 77 ICU (+6), 52 Vent (+2), 16 dead Dec 28 13,000 new cases, 670 reinfections, 177 new hospitalizations (666 total), 71 ICU (+1), 50 Vent (+4), 14 dead Dec 27 16,164 new cases, 639 reinfections, 115 new hospitalizations (608 total), 70 ICU (-1), 46 Vent (-2), 7 dead Dec 26 14,844 new cases, 644 reinfections, 123 new hospitalizations (579 total), 71 ICU (-2), 43 Vent (+1), 13 dead Dec 25 10,027 new cases, 463 reinfections, 86 new hospitalizations (522 total), 73 ICU (-1), 44 Vent (+5), 10 dead Dec 24 11,229 new cases, 527 reinfections, 134 new hospitalizations (509 total), 74 ICU (+2), 39 vent (+1), 14 dead Dec 23 12,487 new cases, 613 reinfections, 158 new hospitalizations (541 total), 72 ICU (+6), 38 vent (+1), 15 dead Dec 22 13,386 new cases, 531 reinfections, 126 new hospitalizations (524 total), 66 ICU (-1), 37 vent (+2), 14 dead Dec 21 13,558 new cases, 501 reinfections, 121 new hospitalizations (526 total), 67 ICU (+1), 35 vent (+2) , 17 dead Dec 20 10,082 new cases, (no reinf. data), 85 new hospitalizations (581 total), 66 ICU (+3), 33 vent (-2), 8 dead Dec 19 8,212 Dec 18 8,594 Dec 17 11,194 Dec 16 9,999 Dec 15 8,773 In a bad sign, the GIS board is hanging. pre:Unvaccinated Partial Full Unvaccinated Partial Full 29 DEC New cases: pending Hospitalizations: pending 28 DEC New cases: 237.3 208.2 210.2 Hospitalizations: 40.5 16.9 8.6 27 DEC New cases: 304.4 324.9 263.3 Hospitalizations: 40.0 15.8 7.8 26 DEC New cases: 310.4 274.9 241.2 Hospitalizations: 39.0 15.4 7.3 25 DEC New cases: 181.6 162.1 161.5 Hospitalizations: 33.9 16.0 6.8 24 DEC New cases: 184.1 173.0 182.1 Hospitalizations: 34.5 14.9 7.1 23 DEC New cases: 237.1 202.6 197.9 Hospitalizations: 35.4 16.2 7.5 22 DEC New cases: 257.1 198.1 211.7 Hospitalizations: 34.2 15.3 7.3 21 DEC New cases: 270.1 226.2 207.8 Hospitalizations: 32.9 14.3 7.5 Report on PCR tests for Omicron as a percentage of variant tests hit various levels on various days: pre:1.77% on 1 December 4.8% on 6 December 10.17% on 8 December 22.06% on 12 December 37.97% on 14 December 50% on 17 December 60% on 20 December 70% on 21 December 76% on 22 December 79.31% on 23 December (only 29 tests though) 80% on 26 December Sources: https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26 https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1476183132844003337?s=20 So do Biden and Dems have blood on their hands now or does that narrative change when Dems “believe the science” are in charge? virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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You just deployed that feigl-ding post in the usnews thread too. Usually the tactic is to at least wait a bit and/or have someone else cross post it.
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Discendo Vox posted:You just deployed that feigl-ding post in the usnews thread too. Usually the tactic is to at least wait a bit and/or have someone else cross post it. Cool. Is this just your way of admitting your willingness to ignore the CDC admitting this change had nothing to do with science because you don’t like who posted it? You could respond to the content instead.
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I have a feigl-ding question: Why the heck is he so extremely hyping the US military vaccine. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1473462641507119108 Like he will twist himself in knots trying to use the fakest screenshots to 'debunk" anything else he sees as good news, pushes all the fake news that vaccines barely work, spreads the "vaccines = human meraks" stuff, but then for some weird reason seems to have gone all in on the idea this specific vaccine is the real deal ultimate vaccine. Like I don't even feel like the obvious conspiracy that the US military is manipulating him to hype it up sounds right. Is it that it's unlikely to come out in some way? So he can gin up a narrative of "medicine THEY don't want you to have"?
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Discendo Vox posted:You just deployed that feigl-ding post in the usnews thread too. Usually the tactic is to at least wait a bit and/or have someone else cross post it. When sources I don't like post factual information I don't like, I too like to don my "media analysis for idiots 101" cap and chide people for posting the source rather than addressing the substance of what has been posted. This isn't a class. This is reality, let's go.
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Bad news, it's also a factual misrepresentation; Walensky's response is entirely about improving compliance rates; it turns out "people" means "people", not "business" or "capitalism". But this is predictable, because you're deploying a tweet from feigl-ding across multiple threads with a one-line post that frames it in a misleading way.
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Discendo Vox posted:Bad news, it's also a factual misrepresentation; Walensky's response is entirely about improving compliance rates; it turns out "people" means "people", not "business" or "capitalism". So where is the science behind the change? Can you help point it out to me? This is the administration that said they would follow the science so I’m sure it is easy to find something dated prior to the decision made by the CDC. Edit: this also sounds incredibly similar to MAGA folks when they went “that isn’t what the Trump admin said. What they meant was…” virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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What they said was "it really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate. We've seen relatively low rates of isolation for all of this pandemic, some science has demonstrated less than a third of people are isolating when they need to, and so we really want to make sure we need to have guidance in this moment where we were going to have a lot of disease that could be adhered to, that people were willing to adhere to, and that spoke specifically to when people were maximally infectious. So it really spoke to behaviors and what people were willing to do." So, not in any way what you're saying. And it's a goddamned embarrassment that I'm having to transcribe a 40 second video because people won't even click the tweet. virtualboyCOLOR posted:So where is the science behind the change? Can you help point it out to me? This is the administration that said they would follow the science so I’m sure it is easy to find something dated prior to the decision made by the CDC. I appreciate why you're not responding to the refutation of your previous misrepresentation. Reducing quarantine periods often has to do with backfire effects related to overall compliance and/or capacity factors; if you can get people to actually limit their exposure behavior during the period where there's actual risk, it can be better than a broader requirement that they breach. The CDC isn't going to just ignore economic factors, either, inasmuchas people who can't work under guidelines for an extended period of time wind up, well, not following the guidelines. In this case, the rationale also appears to be based on when in the disease period transmission is occurring, evidence that the virus is detectable long after it's transmissible, that transmission rates in asymptomatic cases are much lower, and concern over healthcare capacity occupation. Some of the research used as the basis for the new guidance is linked in the references on this page. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So where is the science behind the change? Can you help point it out to me? This is the administration that said they would follow the science so I’m sure it is easy to find something dated prior to the decision made by the CDC. The science is that this variant is more infectious but less severe, so people taking ten days off work because they’re virtually asymptomatic but have a positive COVID test doesn’t make sense at all. Vermont handed out thousands of free at-home testing kits and then their hospitals were overwhelmed by people with positive results and no other need to be at the hospital. I know this is disappointing for people who were psychologically invested in COVID bringing down our whole rotten system and immanentizing the eschaton but it’s not going to do that, this is just a nasty cold now. Government’s messaging could be better on this of course.
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