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Dec 29, 2021 02:03
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lmao @ the dumbass takes on that dude's Twitter account https://twitter.com/JoshMandelOhio/status/1475573216160665606 https://twitter.com/JoshMandelOhio/status/1473722038317633586 https://twitter.com/JoshMandelOhio/status/1470391826947452936
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Dec 29, 2021 02:15
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Fame Douglas posted:lmao @ the dumbass takes on that dude's Twitter account he’s 100% going to win, fyi dems have no one against him
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Dec 29, 2021 02:17
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https://twitter.com/waitingonbiden/status/1459983737257660423?s=21
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Dec 29, 2021 02:33
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oh no who could have predicted this
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Dec 29, 2021 02:35
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Guess the Democrats are getting a landslide victory next year, then. Just going by the general accuracy of polls in recent years.
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Dec 29, 2021 02:37
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Hillary a traitor and must be punished as such.
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Dec 29, 2021 02:39
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Looks like this administration is, Bi-DONE 
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Dec 29, 2021 02:44
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this is the fault of the left
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Dec 29, 2021 02:58
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point of order: that poll (and accompanying post) is from early November, before Omicron was even reported, the BBB officially killed, etc. lol
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Dec 29, 2021 02:59
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LGD posted:point of order: Yeah the Sleepy Joe admin is in much worse shape when that poll was taken a few months ago.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:24
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So do you all think there will be another election after 2024, or do you think the GOP will keep the useless rump of the Democrats alive to preserve the kayfabe?
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Dec 29, 2021 03:29
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ex post facho posted:https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/147...ingawful.com%2F Lol we living under dictatorship. Conspirarist were right.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:34
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CaptainACAB posted:So do you all think there will be another election after 2024, or do you think the GOP will keep the useless rump of the Democrats alive to preserve the kayfabe? there’s no need to get rid of the dems. Having a controlled opposition is good to keep the spineless majority in check.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:35
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Vim Fuego posted:No. One of these services might eventually lose a lawsuit under the "town square" analysis but it hasn't happened yet. And it won't happen with Trump's lawyers perfecto. ta 
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Dec 29, 2021 03:36
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Femur posted:Lol we living under dictatorship. Conspirarist were right. The good news is you've always lived in a bourgeois dictatorship.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:43
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:there’s no need to get rid of the dems. Having a controlled opposition is good to keep the spineless majority in check. Yes however the new breed of Q republican is bloodthirsty enough they might do it anyway.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:46
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CaptainACAB posted:Yes however the new breed of Q republican is bloodthirsty enough they might do it anyway. i mean, in a roundabout way, this would be better since the sooner the dems are completely out of the picture the Republican Party would tear itself apart between the Q lunatics and those that just want to exploit the working class forever for profit
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Dec 29, 2021 03:49
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:i mean, in a roundabout way, this would be better since the sooner the dems are completely out of the picture the Republican Party would tear itself apart between the Q lunatics and those that just want to exploit the working class forever for profit the democrats?
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Dec 29, 2021 03:51
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Isn't that why all the nevertrump ghouls are democrats now?
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Dec 29, 2021 03:57
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500 good dogs posted:the democrats? gently caress
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Dec 29, 2021 03:58
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CaptainACAB posted:So do you all think there will be another election after 2024, or do you think the GOP will keep the useless rump of the Democrats alive to preserve the kayfabe? Constitution says you can be elected President only twice but it doesn't say how many times you could be elected Vice President or hold the office of Vice President. So Trump could win a second term and then run as VP for somebody who, when elected and sworn in, immediately resigns, giving Trump a third term. Or an elected VP could resign, an elected President could appoint Trump VP, and then they could resign, making Trump the President. This could just go on forever till he dies at the age of 112. It's a loophole we haven't closed yet because it hasn't come up yet. That's how the Constitution works
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Dec 29, 2021 08:15
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If I'm remembering things wrong well just imagine a Republican lead House making Trump Speaker and then President Matt Gaetz and VP Marjorie Taylor Greene resigning simultaneously. Now that's definitely allowed.
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Dec 29, 2021 08:21
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even if trump was capable of participating in such a plan, whoever they got to be the new president would just not resign.
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Dec 29, 2021 08:41
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CaptainACAB posted:So do you all think there will be another election after 2024, or do you think the GOP will keep the useless rump of the Democrats alive to preserve the kayfabe? This question comes up all the time itt and I genuinely wonder how the asker can live in America and not understand the relationship of party politics to power. First off even in single party states there are elections. So if we take the famous quote to be true: Julius Nyerere posted:The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them. The disconnect (and I think the question of whether there would be further elections) occurs because the democrats do not care about winning elections so if you live in a blue state and transpose this concept to a red one, there's the natural assumption that the same might be true there but that's not the case. The gop has a political agenda and because of that needs to and tries to win elections. Even in the reddest state the gop still plays to win while the dems don't play at all. The dems don't play because they only care about the donations and there aren't any to be had in the hinterlands. They have no policy they want to enact, they have no political project of any kind, and have no interest in doing anything that doesn't directly lead to them making more money. That means they don't participate in elections in places where they can't compete and they have an incentive to both lose and to make competitive races they could easily win because that drives donations. So the dems need elections too but only for fundraising but the gop especially need elections because they need legitimacy for the exercise of power. The only time power wants to abandon the democratic process is when there is two (or more) competing visions for the use of state power and there's a chance you might lose it later should you seize it now. As long as there is only one politically viable movement in America then elections will continue.
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Dec 29, 2021 08:48
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Constitution says you can be elected President only twice but it doesn't say how many times you could be elected Vice President or hold the office of Vice President. That's completely wrong. The 12th amendment says the VP cannot be someone ineligible for the presidency.
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Dec 29, 2021 08:52
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What is the right's movement? Punishment for how shits its become?
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Dec 29, 2021 09:05
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Femur posted:What is the right's movement? Punishment for how shits its become? To use shorthand, the creation of a Christian ethnostate. One could elaborate, but it comes down to the usual stuff of neoliberal economics with the state serving only to back their interests at home and abroad, and socially a situation where white christians have at least de facto but ideally de jure dominance in civil society. Think Jim Crow south as a model.
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Dec 29, 2021 09:11
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LastInLine posted:This question comes up all the time itt and I genuinely wonder how the asker can live in America and not understand the relationship of party politics to power. i don't disagree with any of this, but i really do think it's ascribing way more sanity to the 2021 GOP than the 2021 GOP actually has. the republican party has been fully taken by the qanon psychos now. that is mainstream political thought. this is not regular rear end poo poo anymore, we are controlled by either qanoners or insane christian dominion doomsday cultists. president boebert would personally execute every democrat alive.
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Dec 29, 2021 09:17
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CaptainACAB posted:i don't disagree with any of this, but i really do think it's ascribing way more sanity to the 2021 GOP than the 2021 GOP actually has. the republican party has been fully taken by the qanon psychos now. that is mainstream political thought. this is not regular rear end poo poo anymore, we are controlled by either qanoners or insane christian dominion Certainly. There are fringe elements in every movement, but again I think you're giving them more power than they have in actuality because you're looking at it through the lens of how dems handle those same elements. In dem world, fringe elements are excluded early on in the process because they rock the boat and threaten the profit model. That's the whole point of working hardest to discredit anyone on the left. Any leftward policy is a direct assault on their profit center. In the gop fringe elements are good to an extent. They drive electoral turnout and bring more radical elements into their movement and once elected further their political project. But also, as a functional party, they are able to both absorb and co-opt these radical movements and stop them before they get too out of hand. Trump himself is an excellent example of radical campaigning and more or less bog-standard republican governance once elected. He can and did move the needle but certainly didn't upset the apple cart. Fringe elements can and should drive the party to an extent but the party itself is disciplined enough to focus on their long term goals. They also serve as red meat for the base, who they need to keep engaged and feel they are getting what they paid for. In the end these extremists mean that the democrats are indeed less effective since they attract the kind of opposition that could otherwise be directed at their political project at a higher and more effective level. They serve as both a vanguard and as a lightning rod to deflect from more mundane political machinations that serve to continue their political aims. A thought experiment would be this same conversation about the tea party and how it is now those same fringe elements seen as the establishment that the qanon crazies rail against. From the outside it can seem chaotic and cannibalistic but from the inside it's simply a way to keep the party relevant, a way to remove Jeb!s from the bench in favor of exciting new blood that keeps the party fresh and moving toward their goal. It's the same reasoning as releasing the iPhone knowing it will kill your iPod sales.
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Dec 29, 2021 09:47
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LastInLine posted:That's completely wrong. The 12th amendment says the VP cannot be someone ineligible for the presidency. what about if the president and the veep resign at the same time and then the speaker of the house (trump) becomes president?
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Dec 29, 2021 09:48
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Doctor Jeep posted:what about if the president and the veep resign at the same time and then the speaker of the house (trump) becomes president? That is ambiguous but in every case the law only applies if those in power care to enforce it. After all, the qualifications to be a congressional representative are insufficient to be president (35 vs 25 years of age) so there is always a chance that the speaker could fail to meet the requirements to be president. In all cases of succession, if someone fails to meet eligibility requirements it passes to the next in line, this is in Article II. HOWEVER, one does not have to eligible to be president to act as president. That's also explicit. So an ineligible speaker could "act as" president while the apparatus works out who will "be" president indefinitely. Of course if it came to that one might say that what the rules say don't apply because let's face it, that's simply an obvious power grab. The whole point to following the rules is to maintain legitimacy and if you're willing to violate the rules that blatantly then you're past the point where you believe your ability to exercise power exceeds the need for that power to be perceived as legitimate. The Rubicon is crossed and at that point you simply dictate terms as to how things are going to work and deal with the fallout in arenas outside of politics.
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Dec 29, 2021 11:13
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can a dog be president tho
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Dec 29, 2021 11:23
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ELTON JOHN posted:can a dog be president tho I literally deleted that line after typing it because it's a digression but actually illustrative of exactly how such a situation would play out. *GOP installs a dog as president* "There's nothing that says a dog can't be president!"  *Dems moan and bitch, maybe say that the president has to be citizen, then the gop congress passes an act giving citizenship to dogs* *Dems throw up their hands and say there's nothing that can be done* It's why the dems will be destroyed in 2022, there's no dog to fundraise against this cycle. At no point will the dems ever admit the system has flaws, the only path to change runs through the ballot box, and if the system gave us a dog (with Nazi sympathies), well, you just have to vote against the dog (and give us money to run the campaign against the dog). We will not be rolling back any of the dog's policies.
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Dec 29, 2021 11:33
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Dog for president
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Dec 29, 2021 13:52
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ELTON JOHN posted:can a dog be president tho Commander Biden is the President, yes.
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Dec 29, 2021 14:17
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ELTON JOHN posted:can a dog be president tho I will only vote for one of Glenn's dogs.
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Dec 29, 2021 14:31
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Thinking the Republicans will be any more competent then the tories in the UK is I think a form of coping to get oneself to still vote Democrat when the time comes. They’re a giant mess that is largely held together by loyalty to Trump. His death will see them return to their civil war.
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LastInLine posted:That is ambiguous but in every case the law only applies if those in power care to enforce it. After all, the qualifications to be a congressional representative are insufficient to be president (35 vs 25 years of age) so there is always a chance that the speaker could fail to meet the requirements to be president. In all cases of succession, if someone fails to meet eligibility requirements it passes to the next in line, this is in Article II. You bring up the Rubicon, and that leads to a good point. The Augustus didn't claim any power for himself that did not have precedent. It was just that all of those powers had never been given to one man at the same time. It was still conferring legitimacy and legality to becoming a monarch in all but name.
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