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DoctorWhat posted:I don't understand how liars wake up in the morning or go to sleep at night. How does the dishonesty not tear their guts apart? Well, everyone lies. To themselves as well as others. It becomes notable if frequent/pathological or particularly heinous, as this is. Perhaps there is hosed up justification in their head "Well, I know that's what she really thinks, so it's okay", or, they are just vicious pieces of poo poo who know it's wrong and don't care.
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Dec 29, 2021 22:59
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CelticPredator posted:Because those people aren’t real to them But how can you be satisfied in being right when you know your arguments are founded on lies? Guilt, shame, whatever, I get not caring about consequences. But how does anyone go out and make an argument founded on lies without realizing "hmm, if I need to knowingly tell lies to convince people, MAYBE I'M WRONG?" Maybe I have fighting game brain and can't comprehend not wanting to win "fair", IDK.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:05
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A large part of why these people take shipping so seriously is because they’ve tied so much of their own perception of morality into fiction. If you like a character who did a bad thing, then they take it as a sign that you support that bad thing in real life, because as far as they’re concerned what media you consume and how you consume it defines you as a person. It’s not unique to that subculture though. I mean it’s basically another version of the whole “playing rpgs with demons in them means you’re secretly a Satanist” moral panic from the 90s. It’s just taken on a new form for a new age.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:08
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DoctorWhat posted:But how can you be satisfied in being right when you know your arguments are founded on lies? Guilt, shame, whatever, I get not caring about consequences. Regardless how effective people are at lying to others, they will never be as good at it as they are in lying to themselves
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Dec 29, 2021 23:09
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When you photoshop a fake tweet that's beyond lying to yourself, that's fraud! You don't do that subconsciously!
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Dec 29, 2021 23:11
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KingKalamari posted:Man, why does internet drama always, somehow, come back to shipping? Why do people get so worked up about people wanting the wrong fictional characters to bone down? Genuinely hate shipping. Insane shipping wars have single-handedly kept me out of most online fandom spaces
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Dec 29, 2021 23:13
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Yvonmukluk posted:I realise that's the way The Algorithm(TM) works, but it's always kind of annoying when people pick contextless shots of people yelling as the thumbnail. It actually fits because it's the 'welcome to the ouch, motherfuckers' scene that completely is out of character for Faye and sucks rear end in general and actually does really well represent how much the adaptation sucks for a lot of reasons
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Dec 29, 2021 23:28
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DoctorWhat posted:When you photoshop a fake tweet that's beyond lying to yourself, that's fraud! You don't do that subconsciously! ive read that people justify these kind of egregiously obviously wrong actions to themselves as "they would have done it anyway" and are just tired of waiting around for what they assume is a inevitable downfall.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:35
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DoctorWhat posted:But how can you be satisfied in being right when you know your arguments are founded on lies? Guilt, shame, whatever, I get not caring about consequences. Karloff's point above about people lying to themselves is salient. If you dig into the original Jenny thread where she/her fans uncover the photoshopped tweets there's a telling one where someone took a tweet about her being approached by a "large man asking for money" and changed the word "large" to "black" and "money" to "the time". I can very easily see someone looking at the original tweet and interpreting what she really meant as like "well clearly she meant the guy who scared her was black but didn't want to look racist, and she was exaggerating to gain sympathy so he was probably doing something more innocent". So in that case, changing the words just uncovered the true meaning, like she almost said exactly that anyway, so why not just make it more explicit to people too slow to pick up on that subtlety? From there it's easy to justify more extreme changes: since it's been proven she's a racist you just have to interpret the things she's actually thinking about when she types her tweets.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:37
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Its the same logic as Bigfoot hunters who fake evidence even though they’re true believers, they think that it’s okay to do this one lie because itll lead to exposing the truth later on
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Dec 29, 2021 23:38
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Danaru posted:I always remember this when I think of people getting mad at Jenny. This remains the go-to perfect encapsulation of "wow, good for you dude, but I'm not reading/watching all that." I wonder if there is a single person in all creation who watched that video all the way through and payed complete undivided attention to it for all 11 hours, 44 minutes, and 8 seconds.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:40
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CelticPredator posted:They’re both adults so why not Help I'm (19m) involved with my martial arts instructor (800?m).
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Dec 29, 2021 23:43
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Karloff posted:This "article" is among one of the most insane things I've ever read. The most mild of incidents; comprising of one person making a crass joke and another person saying they don't like said joke, getting spun into an interminable saga. Oh God  The tweet is evolving to the next form Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is it moral to ship Luke and Yoda? Probably about as bad as any human alien/elf/vampire relationship.
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Dec 29, 2021 23:44
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is it moral to ship Luke and Yoda?
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Dec 29, 2021 23:47
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sexpig by night posted:It actually fits because it's the 'welcome to the ouch, motherfuckers' scene that completely is out of character for Faye and sucks rear end in general and actually does really well represent how much the adaptation sucks for a lot of reasons Honestly, I feel like there were only like a few changes to that last episode and it wouldn't have been so bad. The lion's share of the scenes/clips that people wheeled out on Twitter were from that ep. The hell of it is that I feel like the series would have gotten better if they'd been able to take constructive criticism going forward. And more importantly we'd get some more Seatbelts music. 
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Dec 30, 2021 00:07
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keep punching joe posted:Help I'm (19m) involved with my martial arts instructor (800?m). I think Luke is 23 in esb
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Dec 30, 2021 00:09
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Guy A. Person posted:Karloff's point above about people lying to themselves is salient. The whole argument over using the word "squint" in Ellis' Raya thread was a prime example of that too. I used to get mad at people doing that poo poo, now I just feel pity because you have to be miserable to interpret poo poo in such an obtuse way just so you can justify not liking someone.
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Dec 30, 2021 00:27
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CelticPredator posted:I think Luke is 23 in esb Fair enough but he's coded as American so 23 is basically still a child.
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Dec 30, 2021 00:37
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is it moral to ship Luke and Yoda? 
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Dec 30, 2021 00:46
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Dec 30, 2021 00:52
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god I loving
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Dec 30, 2021 00:53
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mmm a bad boy i have been
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Dec 30, 2021 00:56
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DoctorWhat posted:When you photoshop a fake tweet that's beyond lying to yourself, that's fraud! You don't do that subconsciously! You gotta do some morally iffy things in order to defeat the evil on the internet All that matters is the evil is throughly owned and destroyed!!!
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Dec 30, 2021 00:57
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Famethrowa posted:god I loving The EU was beautiful I thought it was full of stupid bullshit, and was happy when it all got declared non-canonical cause you know, whatever. Who cares about another superweapon or clones of the emperor? That's all dumb poo poo Then, well...
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Dec 30, 2021 00:58
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KingKalamari posted:And, ironically, porn content creator Twitter is way more chill than regular content creator Twitter...We just keep getting dragged onto shittier and more niche platforms because advertisers don't want to associate with the websites we're on. Most of the people I follow on twitter just draw boob and dong and then have pretty nice/fun casual conversations otherwise, which always leads to me being confused for at least a second on the "Twitter all bad" kind of remarks lol
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Dec 30, 2021 01:05
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Archer666 posted:It definitely takes a specific brand of person to be able to handle the public internet person life, or at least be able to harden yourself to the point of it becoming manageable. Don't blame her for calling it quits after all these years. People wonder why many online personalities turn out to be sociopaths and the answer is "because if you're not one, you'll probably get chased off sooner or later"...
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Dec 30, 2021 01:22
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DoctorWhat posted:I don't understand how liars wake up in the morning or go to sleep at night. How does the dishonesty not tear their guts apart? I think people often think what they're doing is for the greater good, so they justify to themselves whatever it is they're gunna do. This can make people go really far and deep into bullshit, and can even come from good intentions at first.
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Dec 30, 2021 01:50
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Happy Landfill posted:Genuinely hate shipping. Insane shipping wars have single-handedly kept me out of most online fandom spaces Danaru posted:Sarah Z did a really good video on the whole shipping culture and it's loving wild. People will straight up call you a murderer for saying hey maybe don't ship children that's fuckin gross
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Dec 30, 2021 02:09
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ive mentioned this before in this thread but my only direct involvement in any kind of shipping drama is my friend wrote an entirely g-rated fanfic of two 15 year old anime girls like a decade ago and someone dug it up to call them a pedophile and then that person turned out to be a huge diaperplay fetishist
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Dec 30, 2021 02:10
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Sometimes I see the term "shipping wars" and think about how my work sometimes deal with maritime logistics and their legal issues which goes up to millions of dollars' worth of costs, which also involve way less actors and words on the internet
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Dec 30, 2021 02:18
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CBD Corndog posted:2021 has been saved BlankSystemDaemon posted:Giving a shoutout to KarlJobst who is a pick-up-artist, really lovely dude and really likes hanging out with nazis on their discords and joking around with them isn't great. https://twitter.com/nakeyjakey/status/1135400722005147648
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Dec 30, 2021 02:39
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the main thing about the pro/anti-shipping thing is that people entrenched in that little subculture war can't even fathom that anyone might have a more broad outsiders opinion on it. it's just assumed if you're gonna say anything about shipping that you should know every sin each side has committed and that you've chosen a clan. you can't say you're bothered by the "all shipping allowed no matter how gross" argument without being told that 'your side' bullied a kid into suicide. (which, btw, is some real "BLM sets cities on fire" poo poo. even if a couple of assholes did that, why does that fall on everyone) no sooner did sarah z's video go up than tumblr went into overdrive talking about what a monster she was for not picking THEIR side, and how she's somehow responsible for some teen getting bullied by... not her or anyone in her circles The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Dec 30, 2021 |
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Dec 30, 2021 03:07
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my opinion is that anyone who knows what either thing means needs to go outside edit: that said i do think its easy for outsiders to take the 'pedophilia shipping' thing at face value when 9 times out of 10 its actually some inane poo poo like '3 year agegap' and they just say the pedophilia thing without context in order to get people who dont know any of the context to go 'woah that guys a pedophile? hosed up'
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Dec 30, 2021 03:15
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The 7th Guest posted:no sooner did sarah z's video go up than tumblr went into overdrive talking about what a monster she was for not picking THEIR side, and how she's somehow responsible for some teen getting bullied by... not her or anyone in her circles That reminds me of how back when Hbomberguy did his RWBY video, he called the ship between the two sister characters "loving disgusting" and some of those incest shippers were a bit appalled at first, but the whole drama around it evaporated with no lingering attempts to go after him. I wonder why the fandom shippers are way more raring to go after Sarah Z and Jenny for way milder/made up things... 
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Dec 30, 2021 03:22
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Nuns with Guns posted:That reminds me of how back when Hbomberguy did his RWBY video, he called the ship between the two sister characters "loving disgusting" and some of those incest shippers were a bit appalled at first, but the whole drama around it evaporated with no lingering attempts to go after him. I wonder why the fandom shippers are way more raring to go after Sarah Z and Jenny for way milder/made up things... tbf he also dropped it in the middle of a general rwby video versus making 'here is the shipping manifesto dot txt.avi'. ofc gender definitely plays a factor but
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Dec 30, 2021 03:24
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I remain thankful that I never got myself involved in any fandoms and never did things like read fanfic. What the fuckin christ is wrong with these people?
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Dec 30, 2021 03:26
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Endorph posted:on the other hand people will also twist '19 year old drew entirely pg art of two 17 year old anime characters holding hands' as pedophilia, so lest we forget that one instance of someone in their 30s who made the like 500 page callout on a minor because they dared to draw self-insert fanart of themselves with a character from a kid's show (who was literally the same age as them)
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Dec 30, 2021 03:27
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Endorph posted:tbf he also dropped it in the middle of a general rwby video versus making 'here is the shipping manifesto dot txt.avi'. ofc gender definitely plays a factor but I mean, it was enough to offend the people invested in that ship but the momentum died out almost immediately afterward. People started projecting shipping positions onto Sarah Z before she made that video. I think it started with some mild "lol wtf" tweets about the Hannibal meat-pink-triangle pin? Maybe something even more vague before? And Jenny's made what are obvious jokes about doing things "for the Reylos" without even weighing in on who she'd pair Rey off with. I'm sure it's not exclusively gender, might also be something with branding since Jenny and Sarah are more I don't know, fandom-adjacent? It's just strange on multiple levels how the rage there is sustained on so little.
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Dec 30, 2021 03:34
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Mix. posted:lest we forget that one instance of someone in their 30s who made the like 500 page callout on a minor because they dared to draw self-insert fanart of themselves with a character from a kid's show (who was literally the same age as them)
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Dec 30, 2021 03:39
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Endorph posted:my opinion is that anyone who knows what either thing means needs to go outside
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Dec 30, 2021 03:40
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