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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I think a big part of the reason for the books' success - the show is a different beast although to an extent has it - is one of the things that was a major appeal of Star Wars or even to an extent Dark Souls. Martin was very good at creating the impression of a vast and interesting world full of mysterious characters, places, and plots. You know how fans wondered about what the heck the Clone Wars were for literally decades until Lucas finally revealed it in all its underwhelming glory. Or folks writing literally pages of theorycrafting on a character in Dark Souls known only from a single item's one line mention of them. One thing I kept thinking when I read the books for the first time was "I wish he was writing in this depth about Robert's Rebellion instead of the War of the Five Kings, the Rebellion sounds a lot more interesting." Of course, now I know that if he had written about the Rebellion in that much depth, it wouldn't have been nearly as interesting.
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pidan posted:The story is lots of things, but simple it isn't. There are a massive number of moving parts, you constantly have to wonder what effect an event in plotline A will have on plotlines B-X. Then there's all the backstory and histories that are slowly revealed. In summary, Gurm writes like a maker of intricate pocketwatches... ...but a watchmaker who has not determined in advance how many hands the watch will need
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BananaNutkins posted:I read a wild card once and my favorite character was the fat girl who had to get beat up for her powers to work. There was an earthquake man and a house fell on him. And a gay genie on some kind of reality TV show? Maybe it was a fever dream. Those sound on point. Also.. fevre dream 
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I think a big part of the reason for the books' success - the show is a different beast although to an extent has it - is one of the things that was a major appeal of Star Wars or even to an extent Dark Souls. Martin was very good at creating the impression of a vast and interesting world full of mysterious characters, places, and plots. You know how fans wondered about what the heck the Clone Wars were for literally decades until Lucas finally revealed it in all its underwhelming glory. Or folks writing literally pages of theorycrafting on a character in Dark Souls known only from a single item's one line mention of them. This is what's so good about Lotr which the Gurm is a big fan of. Tolkien does some great world building by leaving lots of mysteries in there where he gives you just enough to make you curious and then lets you imagine. Good art leaves a little mystery in there
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Remember that one year when he wrote a 5.000 word blog for the end of the year and then his computer crashed so he lost all of it and then he wrote another 5.000 words lamenting the lost blog post. Good times
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MalarkeyToboggan posted:Remember that one year when he wrote a 5.000 word blog for the end of the year and then his computer crashed so he lost all of it and then he wrote another 5.000 words lamenting the lost blog post. Also keep in mind that GRRM types with one finger.
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Vichan posted:Also keep in mind that GRRM types with one finger. Not at all surprised he wrote the Kelly C rape scenes in book one with one hand
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Ginette Reno posted:This is what's so good about Lotr which the Gurm is a big fan of. Tolkien does some great world building by leaving lots of mysteries in there where he gives you just enough to make you curious and then lets you imagine. One brief paragraph of Gandalf mentioning the Nameless Things that are so ancient and found so deep in the underbelly of the Earth that even Sauron, one of the Ainur who is as old as the universe itself, knows them not while Gandalf himself does not have the heart to even begin to describe them has inspired more theory crafting and discussion than anything GRRM put into his giant lore book. Not to mention a Thing such as Ungoliant where the Elves of the Eldar Days writing the history of the universe admit that they have no idea what it is. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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Sauron was a maiar like Gandalf. Melkor was the ainur that birthed all the hosed up things in the world and got ungoliant to suck the life out of the trees.
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TK-42-1 posted:Sauron was a maiar like Gandalf. Melkor was the ainur that birthed all the hosed up things in the world and got ungoliant to suck the life out of the trees. The Maiar were, like the Valar, among the Ainur which were the very first things in the universe to spring into existence from Eru Illuvatar’s thoughts. The Maiar, all of them, are precisely as old as all of the Valar which all come into being at the exact same time. And Melkor did not create Ungoliant and like all beings other than presumably Eru Illuvatar didn’t know what it was or where it came from because it was not among the Ainur. The best in universe guess was it was a creature of the void but that’s just what the Elves gave as a theory. The fan theories of what it is are endless. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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right I always mix up ainur and valar for some reason. I thought melkor was the one that put the dissonance in the song and strayed from Eru Illuvatar's plan and thats where all the weird hosed up stuff came from. I need to reread that mythos its been a while.
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Tolkien did it right, dying 19 years after publishing LotR and leaving the Silmarilion straight unfinished. He completed the story he wanted in three books, gave us a bunch of bullshit arcana that raised as many questions as they answered, then dipped.
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mind the walrus posted:Tolkien did it right, dying 19 years after publishing LotR and leaving the Silmarilion straight unfinished. He completed the story he wanted in three books, gave us a bunch of bullshit arcana that raised as many questions as they answered, then dipped. Well,  Tolkien’s larger legendarium was not bullshit arcana at all it was actually the main body of his entire work. The Lord of the Rings specifically was ironically the publisher friendly part he wrote to keep the train going. Anyway diehard GRRM fans legitimately believe that the man has spent the years since the early 90s writing absolutely copious amounts of notes, drafts, story treatments, various short snippets of lore, and tons of other goodies that is all saved somewhere and can be compiled together by someone put in charge of his estate when he dies in a few years. That’s what Tolkien did for literally 60 years after all. However GRRM has done absolutely none of these things, what he has is what has been released and as far as the times when he rewrote chapters it was not Tolkien like where he was concerned with gradually shaping a story over many years to better fit the evolving ideas of his larger legendarium but because he has absolutely no ability to focus and has to keep writing the same exact POV chapter like an obsessive maniac. We have a giant collection of letters Tolkien wrote to both fans and colleagues responding to questions about his stories and writing processes with elaborate explanations of plot and character development choices he made stretching back to the 1920s, GRRM would not be able to answer a basic Reddit AMA with anything satisfying. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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TERFherder posted:Those sound on point. Also.. fevre dream My brain always tries to turn that into The Farve Dream, because GRRM loves football so much he dreams about it but also probably hates Brett Favre because he played for Green Bay and is a huge rear end in a top hat Republican.
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Who is that supposed to be on the cover of Fevre Dream? The protagonist was fat, old and ugly iirc.
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You're confused with the writer.
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I know everyone knows this, but I'm a broken record - pretty sure he was referencing the final Shae's porn movies. Lot 49 posted:Who is that supposed to be on the cover of Fevre Dream? The protagonist was fat, old and ugly iirc. nine-gear crow posted:My brain always tries to turn that into The Farve Dream, because GRRM loves football so much he dreams about it but also probably hates Brett Favre because he played for Green Bay and is a huge rear end in a top hat Republican. lol
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I remember when GRRM was talking about how Dany needed to be aged up in the show so that her essential sex scenes could be kept in, almost like it was an unfortunate thing that had to happen. Of course he had to mention that Tasmin's sex scenes were hot so she'd be a good candidate to play his 12 year old sex slave character. http://grrm.livejournal.com/103138.html GRRM in 2009 posted:It's no secret that HBO's Dany will start out older than Dany does in the book; that was a change that had to be made, if we wanted to keep the sex scenes, and David and Dan and I were all agreed that the sex scenes were essential. Tamzin can play much younger than her actual age (as she does when playing Katheryn) and her sex scenes on THE TUDORS were as hot as anything I've ever seen on TV.
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The man wrote the Mercy chapter. He’s sick.
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ASOIAF fans having a normal one
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:ASOIAF fans having a normal one Reddit whipping out the calipers and engaging in some good old fashion phrenology to explain why they don't like a thing is amazingly on brand. Also lol @ that goober at the top of the thread who was actually looking forward to any post-Season 8 ASoIaF content HBO was cooking up.
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the targs should be hapsburg-looking motherfuckers none of this ethereal beauty nonsense that dany and rhaegar had going on. bring on the banana chins
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I feel like GRRM making it a point in his lore that centuries of inbreeding produces the most attractive people in the world is some examination into his psyche.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I feel like GRRM making it a point in his lore that centuries of inbreeding produces the most attractive people in the world is some examination into his psyche. I prefer to believe it turned them all into shovel-jawed wall-eyed "off model for 90% of the runtime" anime characters that look like they came out of some z-tier early 90s OAV, like something Bennett White would review. Or like Megatokyo characters. That guy still draws like poo poo, right? That's the Targaryens.
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nine-gear crow posted:Or like Megatokyo characters. That guy still draws like poo poo, right? That's the Targaryens. nine-gear crow posted:That guy still draws 
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Oh yeah, Megatokyo is apparently STILL going in some capacity. Fred Gallagher has literally been more productive over the last decade than GRRM has. Neither of them have produced anything worth consuming, but at least Gallagher has... produced.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I feel like GRRM making it a point in his lore that centuries of inbreeding produces the most attractive people in the world is some examination into his psyche. Pretty sure when GM wasn't too busy burying his nose in his sister's underwear drawer during his adolescence, he was trying to sniff the hair of all the girls in Bayonne, NJ.
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nine-gear crow posted:Oh yeah, Megatokyo is apparently STILL going in some capacity. Fred Gallagher has literally been more productive over the last decade than GRRM has. Neither of them have produced anything worth consuming, but at least Gallagher has... produced. Did they ever get to 9/11 yet? I seem to recall that as of like 2012 or something the pace of the comic was so glacial that, in-universe, 9/11 had still yet to happen.
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Y'know, actually got to thank GRRM for taking so much time between Book 3 and 4. I really don't want to know what Westeros 9/11 looks like. And you know he would have done it.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Did they ever get to 9/11 yet? I seem to recall that as of like 2012 or something the pace of the comic was so glacial that, in-universe, 9/11 had still yet to happen. Apparently the comic has only covered 71 days worth of time in the now 22 years of its existence. So it is currently late-September, 2000 in-universe. Fred Gallagher could maintain the same story pace for the rest of his life (he's in his 50s now, FYI) and the comic would never make it to July 2001 (the in-universe one year anniversary of the story's beginning), let alone 9/11. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Dec 30, 2021 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Apparently the comic has only covered 71 days worth of time in the now 22 years of its existence. How and i cannot stress this enough the gently caress
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mind the walrus posted:Y'know, actually got to thank GRRM for taking so much time between Book 3 and 4. I really don't want to know what Westeros 9/11 looks like. Unfortunately he did Westeros Iraqi Insurgency instead. Edit: actually that was Essos Iraqi Insurgency duh Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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lol y’all motherfuckers forgot Harrenhall
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Harrenhall was an inside job, dragonfire can't burn wierwood beams.
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Mad Hamish posted:dragonfire can't burn wierwood beams
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nine-gear crow posted:Apparently the comic has only covered 71 days worth of time in the now 22 years of its existence. So it is currently late-September, 2000 in-universe. Fred Gallagher could maintain the same story pace for the rest of his life (he's in his 50s now, FYI) and the comic would never make it to July 2001 (the in-universe one year anniversary of the story's beginning), let alone 9/11. 
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nine-gear crow posted:Apparently the comic has only covered 71 days worth of time in the now 22 years of its existence. So it is currently late-September, 2000 in-universe. Fred Gallagher could maintain the same story pace for the rest of his life (he's in his 50s now, FYI) and the comic would never make it to July 2001 (the in-universe one year anniversary of the story's beginning), let alone 9/11. lol
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