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AlternateAccount posted:Wtf I remember reading Rendezvous With Rama and it’s the most boring and pointless bit of sci-fi I’ve ever read. Same. Peter Watts did the whole small crew of humans reaches an alien artifact they can't comprehend much better in Blindsight. Its also free on the author's website: https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
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I literally just finished rereading Rendezvous with Rama and I think it could make a great film. Villeneuve seems like a fine choice since the star of the movie would be the grand vistas of Rama itself. Morgan Freeman has been trying to get this movie made for decades and the biggest issue seems to be getting the right script. The heart of the story is exploring the mysteries of Rama, coming away with more questions than answers (Clarke wisely didn’t provide much there), and maybe some grander questions about how we confront the unknown (given Mercury’s actions). I think it could be adapted into a compelling movie, but a lot of stuff needs to be cut or replaced. Clarke didn’t write this for the characters and it shows - the characters are pretty one-dimensional competent astronauts and there’s random weird stuff like the polygamy and out-of-place horny parts that can be dropped without issue. There are also some specially trained space monkeys that get introduced and… literally never do anything? I guess Clarke just thought up the concept and thought it was cool enough to include Just Because.
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Dec 31, 2021 18:05
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I like that they're like "dammit, I wish we had a flying bicycle" and then the one guy reveals he snuck his flying bicycle into space with him.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:03
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Rama works as a scifi novel because nothing is explained at the end of the thing w/r/t the actual aliens and their ship. As it would most likely be in real life, hence the ~hard scifi~ of it Not really material to make a film about though. Especially in comparison to DUNC’s simple boy-becomes-prophetized-savior heroes journey that made the first book so popular.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:49
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Presumably Villeneuve thinks that the script has been solved if he agreed to direct (or is his team writing it too?). I would be pretty lenient of fairly major changes to the story as long as we get some cool shots of Rama itself.
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"We need a director for this project where nothing really happens and there's no resolution." "I know just the man."
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jeeves posted:Rama works as a scifi novel because nothing is explained at the end of the thing w/r/t the actual aliens and their ship. As it would most likely be in real life, hence the ~hard scifi~ of it They could always go with the sequel novel ending and have the astronauts be abducted by eagleman and jacked off by robots.
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jeeves posted:Rama works as a scifi novel because nothing is explained at the end of the thing w/r/t the actual aliens and their ship. As it would most likely be in real life, hence the ~hard scifi~ of it
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:This is a somewhat revisionist reading of the first book, because it's made very clear that even before the end, Paul already realizes that he can't control the Fremen because his myth is larger than himself, as that's the reason he drinks the water of life to begin with - because he wants to try and wrest back control. It's a good concept, but I feel like the book's broad popularity is at least in part because it only pays lip service to the idea, and what actually happens (in the first book) is that Paul becomes the ultimate badass and achieves perfect victory/revenge in all the ways that matter. He's constantly fretting over the grimdark future, yes, but that's all very much told, not shown.
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david_a posted:Morgan Freeman has been trying to get this movie made for decades and the biggest issue seems to be getting the right script. sorry, do you mean that Morgan Freeman?
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Oh I guess it would make sense if he is actually a space sci-fi nerd. He's in a bunch of astronomy docs
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I actually kind of hope part 2 is about Chani the way part 1 is about Paul. Villneuve said as much. Said the entire thing will be from her perspective.
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kalel posted:sorry, do you mean that Morgan Freeman? Yes. He wanted to play the commander but that ship sailed a while back. He’s a producer for this one (assuming it actually gets made).
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Villneuve said as much. Said the entire thing will be from her perspective. Do you have that quote? I remember it being an interpretation of something he said that wasn't quite right?
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I don't usually read the books of films I have seen, but I ordered Dune on the drive home from the theater. Read it late last month, and just reread the last couple hundred pages. I want to ask Villeneuve why he's bothering with a sequel. He already made a movie that covers probably 70% of the good parts of the book.
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Baronash posted:I don't usually read the books of films I have seen, but I ordered Dune on the drive home from the theater. Read it late last month, and just reread the last couple hundred pages. I want to ask Villeneuve why he's bothering with a sequel. He already made a movie that covers probably 70% of the good parts of the book. Villeneuve has already come out and said the 2nd movie will be 120 minutes of spice orgy followed by a 5 minute final battle.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Villeneuve has already come out and said the 2nd movie will be 1200 minutes of spice orgy followed by a 5 minute final battle.
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Hey, look, Chani got naked in the miniseries. So it's only fair...
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For real though, I paused that scene so many times in 7th grade... (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://newlinesmag.com/review/dune-frank-herbert-the-republican-salafist/
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Feels like this article is missing a lot of things; that Frank Herbert's politics were a lot more idiosyncratic, that his inspirations for Dune are a lot more specific than just general Islam and Middle Eastern history, and seems to have only seen the movie and maybe read the first book, not looked at the sequels and how they deal with it. At least they do get that Paul is both TE Lawrence and the Prophet Muhammed in his various acts and roles.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Feels like this article is missing a lot of things; that Frank Herbert's politics were a lot more idiosyncratic, that his inspirations for Dune are a lot more specific than just general Islam and Middle Eastern history, and seems to have only seen the movie and maybe read the first book, not looked at the sequels and how they deal with it. At least they do get that Paul is both TE Lawrence and the Prophet Muhammed in his various acts and roles. it addresses all those things
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Do people really puzzle over Herbert's conservatism? Or not understand the conservative party is entirely different beast than it was before Goldwater dragged the party far to the right of where it was?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Do people really puzzle over Herbert's conservatism? Or not understand the conservative party is entirely different beast than it was before Goldwater dragged the party far to the right of where it was? There are large chunks of the electorate who don’t know what the Southern Strategy was and think Republicanism has an unbroken line going back to before Lincoln. So, yes.
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I've been looking forward to this for a little while, but man I was incredibly disappointed. I'm kinda glad I watched it for the visuals alone, but I bounced off pretty much everything else. Dialogue was clunky, it felt simultaneously slow and rushed, the hand to hand combat was terrible, characters were paper thin, nothing seemed to work for me. The whole movie felt like it was a prelude to an actual movie, like it all felt like a montage if that makes sense?
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Hi, thread joiner here. I only read the first book and saw the new movie. I really enjoyed the conversation from a few dozen pages back about the motivations behind the fief transfer. One thing that got mentioned was what the deal is with the 10,000 year unchanging religion and world system, with the no computers thing. My thought was that I enjoyed it as a reader, as an awe inspiring and dominating scaling of the surrounding world, that our action is placed in. Kind of a temporal version of the spatial scaling of the tiny people on the huge ramp of the imperial emissary ship. Or, how in LOTR Elrond was himself in this historical battle 3000 years ago, and Gandalf is however many tens of thousands of years old. The scale of the setting, makes the world itself be a kind of a character. You stand at the edge of the Grand Canyon, and you get dizzied by the scale. Like...It's something that Star Wars doesn't have. The "galaxy" is just a collection of the few locations we see things happen at, and references to a few more. But in Dune, even though we see action in far fewer locations, I feel like we're in this mind-bogglingly big (in both space and time) system. And the unchanging history gives that a firmer grounding. E: also nobody ever said "the spice must flow," is this one of those famous false quote things? vessbot fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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The spice must flow is from the david lynch adaptation. Say what you will about that film but it's a durable catchphrase
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No Mods No Masters posted:The spice must flow is from the david lynch adaptation. Say what you will about that film but it's a durable catchphrase The Litany Against Fear also. ed: vvv My mistake. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Litany Against Fear also.
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There's another litany that was made up for the Lynch version that mentats say, about drinking the red juice
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That litany always reminds me more of the Westwood game, even if that post-dates the movie by several years.
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HampHamp posted:
Parts of the movie did feel like a trailer for the next part.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:That litany always reminds me more of the Westwood game, even if that post-dates the movie by several years. To be fair, Dune 2000 is heavily influenced by the Lynch version (though thankfully they made the ornithopters look more like actual aircraft instead of the boxes of the Lynch version) what with both Atreides and Harkonnen mentats being modeled after their film counterparts, the stillsuits the Fremen wear in cutscenes, the harvesters being direct model copies, plus the imperial palace at the end of the game. poo poo, the tag line on the box "long live the fighters" is what Paul says before they launch their final attack against the emperor. As the years have gone by I have found myself liking the original Dune 2 and Emperor: Battle for Dune over Dune 2000 because, outside of the Ordos, 2000 just directly copies, or hedges too close to, the Lynch version and the other versions have a more distinct style. There's nothing wrong with imitation but the thing I like about a setting like Dune is that there are so many possibilities and so when you have something like Dune 2000 that is locked into a specific look, and no real explanation given for choosing it, it now feels kind of cheap. On the other hand, the revised tracks Frank Klepacki did for 2000 are all bangers so it's not all bad
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Really is funny how that specific adaptation of Dune ended up basically creating a whole new genre- Dune 2 for those not in the know is basically the original template for the real-time strategy game, with Command and Conquer being one of the heavier borrowings from it. (Just using totally-not-GI Joe and Cobra instead)
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Really is funny how that specific adaptation of Dune ended up basically creating a whole new genre- Dune 2 for those not in the know is basically the original template for the real-time strategy game, with Command and Conquer being one of the heavier borrowings from it. (Just using totally-not-GI Joe and Cobra instead) Said Wikipedia, quote:After Westwood Studios developed the critically acclaimed Dune II, Computer Gaming World reported in 1993 that the company would not use the Dune license for Westwood's next strategy game "mostly because the programmers are tired of sand".
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Really is funny how that specific adaptation of Dune ended up basically creating a whole new genre- Dune 2 for those not in the know is basically the original template for the real-time strategy game, with Command and Conquer being one of the heavier borrowings from it. (Just using totally-not-GI Joe and Cobra instead) It's also notable because it didn't really invent any of the ideas that are in it; all of them can be found in strategy games that precede it; the two big inspirations for Dune II were Utopia from Don Daglow (and perhaps moreso The Ancient Art of War by Brøderbund Software) and more famously Herzog Zwei by Technosoft, as well as Rescue Raiders by Sir-tech Software, Military Madness by Hudson Soft Company, and Civilization by MicroProse. Arguably the biggest difference is that the minimum specs for the game are much faster than any of the hardware that all those games had, so they could combine all of the things as well as make the AI much more complex (comparatively, at least - although there's some good retrospective articles, and videos on youtube, that go into how many corners they had to cut even on the C&C games). Much of the above is from this excellent retrospective which has its own sources listed, and contains a bunch more information on the two first Dune games, so it's definitely worth reading all of it. EDIT: Heck, read everything that Jimmy Maher has written - all of it is incredibly well-written and well-researched (often better than Wikipedia). BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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vessbot posted:Said Wikipedia, There's an Anakin Skywalker joke in there somewhere. And that's how a lot of video games work, iterative design combined with taking advantage of what new hardware can do. Genre becomes a very funny thing in an interactive medium.
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Even Herzog Zwei itself is an order of magnitude sequel step up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKQblBGSfF4
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I remember visiting this website in the before times https://web.archive.org/web/20030220143317/http://www.rendezvouswithrama.com/ theme park rides
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