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Just to help avoid confusion, it's worth remembering that the vaccine mandate in front of the court is a mandate on employers enforced by OSHA
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Even if Covid was just the flu I'm pretty sure 1.5 million cases of the flu in three days would still be very bad.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:32
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All enforcement eventually comes back to police power. What happens if employers ignore OSHA and allow their unvaxxed employees to come to work anyway, do we say "oh well". Although a better example might be the vaccine passports we see in New York, what do we think about that policy.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:36
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VitalSigns posted:All enforcement eventually comes back to police power. What happens if employers ignore OSHA and allow their unvaxxed employees to come to work anyway, do we say "oh well". We can automate a lot of security state functionality as has been seen in the NSA and drone programs. Or at least shift it to where the sharp end of the stick is a machine and not a warrior class guy.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:40
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Inferior Third Season posted:U.S. police basically don't. Society is generally more peaceful and law-abiding without threat of violence or incarceration than it is generally given credit for. I'm not disagreeing with you about this so don't misunderstand me, but it's weird to live in a country where laws aren't really enforced, and also a country with the highest per-capita incarceration rate in the world.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:42
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The sheer number of cases is why I'm not getting excited about lab results from hamsters. The actual test is happening right now, in real life. We are going to find out exactly how mild Omicron really is this month.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:45
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empty whippet box posted:I'm not disagreeing with you about this so don't misunderstand me, but it's weird to live in a country where laws aren't really enforced, and also a country with the highest per-capita incarceration rate in the world.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:46
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I don't think technology is a substitute for fixing the system, if the system is malicious then the technology will be applied maliciously, who's controlling the drones, who's directing the objectives of the program, etc. As we saw in Afghanistan, just inserting a wifi connection between the machine firing the missiles and the guy pushing the button doesn't lead to better outcomes. But, and here is kinda my point, the police brutality objection to pandemic control is very inconsistent. It's deployed against NPIs the speaker disagrees with to kinda indirectly argue against them, and to strawman people as wanting to "partner with the alt-right and massively increase police funding" (something no one has said), but the instant you bring up NPIs the speaker agrees with suddenly oh well actually there's all kinds of ideas for how enforcement of NPIs doesn't have to involve our current KKK members moonlighting as cops. If you just took existing Donald Trump and Joe Biden and Jedi mind-melded them somehow into agreeing with covid zero but changing nothing else about their beliefs then their method of enforcement would have a lot of bad outcomes (although would almost certainly have saved lives on balance because covid has killed a million Americans, concentrated of course among the poor and PoCs that people are claiming to want to protect by eschewing covid zero, go figure), everyone saying that is 100% right. You would need a Trump or a Biden who is a completely different person altogether who wanted to solve both the problems of police brutality/mass incarceration and an uncontrolled pandemic. But even that wouldn't be enough because if Biden was the kind of person who fought for the lives and dignity of the poor and the oppressed, he never would have been allowed a sniff of power in our system in the first place. We'd just have someone else up there in the White House doing pretty much what he's doing now. So it's really more of an intellectual exercise than any kind of practical debate. Biden doesn't want to do it right, if he did he would never have been president, and no one who wanted to would ever be allowed more than like a token House Rep seat to tweet "DO SOMETHING", the system is simply working as intended. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jan 1, 2022 |
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Jan 1, 2022 19:47
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I only bring up the technology because some of it can be operated with no man in the loop operationally (gold standard) and all of it helps avoid using warrior class door kickers who are politically unreliable for "liberal" missions (still a big improvement)
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Jan 1, 2022 19:50
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Gripweed posted:The sheer number of cases is why I'm not getting excited about lab results from hamsters. The actual test is happening right now, in real life. We are going to find out exactly how mild Omicron really is this month. everyone who's going to get omicron will have gotten it by then as well
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Jan 1, 2022 20:11
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Gripweed posted:The sheer number of cases is why I'm not getting excited about lab results from hamsters. The actual test is happening right now, in real life. We are going to find out exactly how mild Omicron really is this month.
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4393548quote:TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — The Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) on Thursday (Dec. 30) announced that it will not follow U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidance on shortened quarantines because some imported Omicron cases have been found to be infectious up to 12 days after testing positive.
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Jan 1, 2022 20:32
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CSM posted:Well no, we're already seeing less severe outcomes in South Africa, UK and Denmark. The question is whether these are outliers and we see worse outcomes going further and in other places. Why did you preface that by saying that you disagreed with me? Yes, we are going to find out if they're outliers and if worse outcomes happen. As I said, we're gonna find out, that is locked in.
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Jan 1, 2022 20:41
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That reminds me. For everyone who said that CDC recommendations don't matter, my workplace has followed the CDC recommendations and now expects people who are out for Covid to be back in five days instead of ten. Half of the staff at my location is out this week, and they're all gonna have to be back next week.
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Jan 1, 2022 20:44
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Gripweed posted:That reminds me. For everyone who said that CDC recommendations don't matter, my workplace has followed the CDC recommendations and now expects people who are out for Covid to be back in five days instead of ten. Half of the staff at my location is out this week, and they're all gonna have to be back next week. Exactly. The CDC has legit put Americans in danger almost every step of the way during the pandemic. At best they implemented “harm reduction” which is to say they didn’t outright pull the trigger but instead let a series of levers and pulleys within the bureaucratic nightmare of American Capitalism do the dirty work. virtualboyCOLOR posted:My assumption is soon we will have calls to no longer test cases since they make the Biden admin look bad and there will be OP-EDs on why, to use a right wing phrase since it is fashionable, it’s (D)ifferent. Well its happening, but sooner than I thought: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/01/us-covid-case-counts-omicron quote:
This seems incredibly irresponsible considering Delta is still kicking around (according to the CDC). There is also very little evidence that the trend of Covid being “mild” will continue with Omicron. Really disappointed to see this talking point extend beyond the right wing landscape. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jan 1, 2022 |
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Jan 1, 2022 21:02
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Gripweed posted:That reminds me. For everyone who said that CDC recommendations don't matter, my workplace has followed the CDC recommendations and now expects people who are out for Covid to be back in five days instead of ten. Half of the staff at my location is out this week, and they're all gonna have to be back next week. Check the details of contraindications for returning on days 6-10. Rhinorrhea is a listed high risk symptom in NYS. If I ever test positive you better believe I’m going to have a runny rose for 10 days.
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Jan 1, 2022 21:10
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:There is also very little evidence that the trend of Covid being “mild” will continue with Omicron. Because by now there have been literally millions of omicron cases which came and went, while the average severity was way less intense than delta. Unless you assume that omicron has some freak dna strain which arbitrarily causes it to suddenly be more severe during January, I would say that it's fairly well evidenced by now. At this point, claiming that we don't know anything about omicron, as if there had only been a dozen cases seems ridiculous.
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Jan 1, 2022 21:14
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cant cook creole bream posted:What kind of sample size do you want, to believe this statistic? Aside from anything else, Omicron has no selectionary pressure to moderate with these policies, and every one in favor of maximizing spread at all costs. This is before the possibility that it recombines with some more virulent clade and this helps it.
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Jan 1, 2022 21:59
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Does anyone have that online test kit ordering website link?
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Jan 1, 2022 22:22
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MadJackal posted:Check the details of contraindications for returning on days 6-10. Rhinorrhea is a listed high risk symptom in NYS. There are no details of contraindications. It's five days. You get five days and then you're expected back at work.
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Jan 1, 2022 22:35
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"your runny nose is 'resolving,' get back to work" -every boss everywhere
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illcendiary posted:What in the christ is culture-bound dehydration? I wish airlines would stop serving drinks/snacks on short flights but drat lol There is a weird obsession with being able to drink and dine anywhere in the United States, whether full meals in the lecture hall, being 20 minutes late to lecture so you can barge in and spill Starbucks in everyone, drinking in the library etc. Nobody needs to drink or eat in the library. mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jan 1, 2022 |
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Jan 1, 2022 23:08
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Gripweed posted:Why did you preface that by saying that you disagreed with me? Yes, we are going to find out if they're outliers and if worse outcomes happen. As I said, we're gonna find out, that is locked in. It's not like the severity estimates are based on a sample of 15 cases. If omicron in the US caused equally severe illness as delta, that would be the outlier. I don't get the need to constantly respond "we have to wait and see" though. Would it have made sense to keep saying "we have to wait and see, maybe delta will randomly mutate into a cold virus" in August? I mean there you even have some evidence if you misrepresent it (delta is causing less severe illness because of vaccinations).
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Jan 1, 2022 23:18
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James Garfield posted:It's not like the severity estimates are based on a sample of 15 cases. If omicron in the US caused equally severe illness as delta, that would be the outlier. We don't have a choice in whether or not we wait and see anymore. We will wait and see. That is locked in at this point. The nation has bet it all on mild and over the next few weeks we will inevitably see the outcome of that bet. So I don't see the point of focusing on animal tests or outcomes in countries with different variables. The actual, non-theoretical result of half a million cases a day will be apparent quite soon. Gripweed fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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OK, I figured out a simile. Right now, looking at studies about the potential mildness of Omicron is like looking up the safety rating of the car you are currently driving drunk at highway speeds through downtown. Dont worry about it, you are about to find out how safe that car is.
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Ontario, Canada was about 3 weeks behind South Africa in terms of the Omicron wave (which has peaked in SA) and has seen infection rate climb so rapidly that it has pushed the province's testing capacity beyond its daily limit. The current active case counts are no longer accurate because we can't process the tests fast enough to get a true grip on much less tracking asymptomatic individuals who never get tested. The news is good though. Hospitalizations/ICU bed usage while up have not followed the exponential trend of previous waves. So Ontario is continuing the trend seen in South Africa and the UK with the decoupling of cases vs severe outcomes. Ontario's data is also likely to be suffering from some distortion due to high incidental case counts just like South Africa and the UK. While clearly, the upward trend is the responsibility of Omicron, the active case count has increased by 14x (likely higher due to testing limits) since Dec 2 while hospitalizations (including incidental numbers) have increased just under 4x and ICU usage has increased just under 2x. Compared to our Delta wave which saw a 3x increase in active case counts with a corresponding 3x increase in hospitalization and a 2x increase in ICU usage (same time span 30 days prior to peak of Delta). A major difference between Delta and Omicron is the vaccination rate in Ontario went through the rough during the late spring and early summer months. Results could be one of several things. Either the Omicron is just as deadly as Delta but mRNA vaccines work very well even though the vaccinated still get infected, or Omicron is inherently less deadly, a combination of the two, Omicron will mysteriously boost its attack to match Delta and the vaccines don't actually work. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations Ontario is also going to be joining the train in terms of separating incidental COVID hospitalization from actual COVID hospitalizations (you went to the hospital to deal with COVID complications). Anecdotal evidence suggests, like UK and SA, incidental rate could be 50% or higher https://www.thestar.com/local-bramp...us-numbers.html quote:“Many individuals have noted the importance of distinguishing between the patients admitted to hospital or the ICU for COVID-19 versus those admitted for other reasons such as a broken bone or appendicitis but also test positive for COVID-19,” Ontario medical officer of health Dr. Kieran Moore said during a virtual announcement on Dec. 30. edit: One final peculiarity looking at the ICU availability numbers. Since the end of our Delta spike and into the middle of summer when COVID subsided, Ontario's TOTAL ICU bed count has remained stable dropping from a high of 2827 beds down to 2382 and now to 2343 (likely because of a lack of need). Yet the total number of ICU beds available (not occupied) has remained steady. Since the time vaccination took hold, the total number of ICU beds available for use trends stronger towards the rise and fall of non-COVID patients than they for COVID patients. Another sign that a lot of the count is the result of incidental COVID cases, not Omicron running roughshod over the populace. MikeC fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/wertwhile/status/1476261228892803087?s=21 I’m not well versed in medicine or statistics but is this accurate? I had COVID about two-three weeks ago. I’m vaccinated and boosted. I quarantined myself and recovered with no issues. What astounds me is that literally [b]everything[b] is back opened up to full capacity and there have been no changes even with omicron. I’ve been in Florida, Texas and Minnesota and basically things are pretty much back almost back to normal and mask mandates along with social distancing have been lifted. In retrospect, I guess maybe I shouldn’t have been going out as much but on the other hand my social media feed is chalk full of folks celebrating New Years at all sorts of parties big to small granted with the majority of them being relatively young.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:https://twitter.com/wertwhile/status/1476261228892803087?s=21 Something as transmissible as Omicron probably couldn't have been stopped dead in its tracks in most of the world, and a lot of places decided there's no appetite for even basic NPIs anymore so we're going to see what lettin it rip does.
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Jan 2, 2022 03:36
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:https://twitter.com/wertwhile/status/1476261228892803087?s=21 They've been very blunt: they don't think it is worth sacrificing the economy over it. Whether everyone is going to get it or not is irrelevant and they probably have no opinion on it. By the way, we beat even the upper limit of the CDC's projected 7-day average for new cases. By a lot. It wasn't even close.
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NJ just passed 4k hospitalizations (above last January's peak) and NY passed 8400 (closing in on the 10k January peak). So considering Ontario isn't seeing anywhere near as many hospitalizations, it's presumably a combination of 1) roughly week-long delays in cases, 2) delta still being present in the US or 3) vaccination rates (similar in NJ/NY, higher in Ontario, at least for double vaxxed although boosters probably caught up by now). So maybe letting it rip might actually work out in a nearly fully triple-vaxxed population but all of those states with 60% or lower double-vaxxed might want to reconsider?
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:https://twitter.com/wertwhile/status/1476261228892803087?s=21 Herd immunity is probably not possible with these first-generation vaccines but it is not the only way to achieve elimination, just the only one the US is willing to "attempt"
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I have a booster scheduled for tomorrow morning but have a little hesitation because I’ve heard you shouldn’t have a booster until a month after testing positive for covid. I was sick about a week and a half ago, tested negative for covid at the time but it was only a rapid test. I have some lingering coughing that makes me concerned it wasn’t just a bad cold/flu. I should still just get the booster right? I’m not sure what the month waiting period is for, and if it’s anything I need to worry about.
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crepeface posted:^ that was NYE got sick of waiting so i went to the source that google pulls from  accidently edited this into an old post instead of making a new one, but here's something extra:  assuming this means they're short on healthcare workers. idk if exposing your healthcare workers to covid positive co-workers is a good solution to it but then again im not a big brain health services manager crepeface fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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Snowy posted:I have a booster scheduled for tomorrow morning but have a little hesitation because I’ve heard you shouldn’t have a booster until a month after testing positive for covid. You heard dumb poo poo. Get boosted.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:https://twitter.com/wertwhile/status/1476261228892803087?s=21 Other countries are frankly appalled at America’s relaxed rules and the irresponsible recommendations of the CDC: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4393548 quote:
And cases continue to shoot through the roof: https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1477489091004579844?s=20 This is with only 14 states reporting. Absolute insanity. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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Snowy posted:I have a booster scheduled for tomorrow morning but have a little hesitation because I’ve heard you shouldn’t have a booster until a month after testing positive for covid. droll posted:You heard dumb poo poo. Get boosted. Seriously, get the shot. Was it something you heard here on the forums or something you heard elsewhere? Either way that's loving awful advice and you should get your booster as soon as you are eligible (6 months out from your first round if you got Moderna or Pfizer, 2 months out if you got Johnson and Johnson). Unfortunately I don't know what the booster schedule for vaccines only available internationally look like, but it should be easy enough to find out.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Other countries are frankly appalled at America’s relaxed rules and the irresponsible recommendations of the CDC: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4393548 Seems low, because with 1/60th the population, DK has like 20K cases a day now. You should be well over a million cases a day if you tested as well as Denmark. Vaccination doesn't seem to stop people getting omicron so we're probably all getting it. So are you. Tillykke!
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Rust Martialis posted:Seems low, because with 1/60th the population, DK has like 20K cases a day now. You should be well over a million cases a day if you tested as well as Denmark. Vaccination doesn't seem to stop people getting omicron so we're probably all getting it. So are you. Tillykke! The US was hit later than Denmark. Assuming that all the numbers should look the same as the ones from Denmark and that all differences are due to lack of testing is stupid. Germany is testing quite well and we're around 220 cases a week per 100k people. (That's the typical scale. You could simplify it to roughly 3 cases per 10k people per day.) Half of these are still delta. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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cant cook creole bream posted:The US was hit later than Denmark. Assuming that all the numbers should look the same as the ones from Denmark and that all differences are due to lack of testing is stupid. Classy comment there. quote:Germany is testing quite well and we're around 220 cases a week per 100k people. (That's the typical scale. You could simplify it to roughly 3 cases per 10k people per day.) Half of these are still delta. Really? Denmark is around 90% omicron, and we're also testing heavily. You haven't even had your omicron wave yet? Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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Rust Martialis posted:Really? Denmark is around 90% omicron, and we're also testing heavily. Yes, because Denmark was hit sooner than other places. That's what I'm saying. The fact that there's a discrepancy between Denmark and Germany has nothing to do with lack of testing and assuming that the numbers in the USA where identical with the same amount of testing is unfounded. I have no doubt that there's a wave comming. But I don't assume i's already there but hidden.
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