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Dawgstar posted:I am beyond overjoyed for a new generation to learn the Quicksilver Method.
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Watched the first episode of the new season and it seems to follow the trajectory of You Season 3, to which the series takes the trashy cheese to the max...in a good way.
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MichaelFlatley posted:After marathoning the season did anyone else think Chozen was initially written to be Julie Pierce? Yeah, that would have been better honestly. Would also tie into "other dojo owners" line to bring in cameos from that one. Best part if the season was Johnny's montage music. Of course it would be that.
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Jan 1, 2022 01:42
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terry silver what's wrong with your faaaaace
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not to be mean, i don't know if it's make up or not it's just very disturbing to look at is all!!!!
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Jan 1, 2022 02:25
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Finale spoilers Terry Silver is the greatest villain of all time. God Bless Thomas Ian Griffith.
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Okay, there are a lot of ways I expected this to go. The villain of a threequel using a shitton of unresolved issues and the superpower of being fabulously wealthy to finally deliver Kreese his comeuppance while becoming an even bigger villain? Not what I expected, and I can't wait for him to call in karate's bad boy Mark Barnes as an enforcer. I feel like among the kids, Robbie and Tori were almost the real protagonists of this season? Miguel felt kinda on the sideline, which plays into his feeling of listlessness and unsureness in his role in life, and Sam definitely spent a lot of this season more as an antagonist than anything. I really hope her and Tori put aside their differences and go on a two-woman power trip when they find out how the All Valley was rigged.
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Jan 1, 2022 04:50
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This season was really good! I'm super surprised by the ending!
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I found Miguel's actor clearly having gained like 30 pounds between seasons, and Johnny's resembling a very skinny Donald Trump in certain shots, distracting. Fun season so far though
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Halfway through and what can't Amanda make worse by using non-karate methods for problem solving? Learn the lesson you daffy broad, kick someone! e: spoilers, however minor would make me mad enough to beat up a disused factory UltraShame fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Jan 1, 2022 |
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Jan 1, 2022 08:02
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Also it's still hilarious that Daniel became a used car guy, one of the scumbaggiest professions. But then, he is Italian.
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Jan 1, 2022 09:24
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I lost interest in the show somewhere in season 2, but I adore Terry Silver. Can I just jump in at the beginning of season four, or will I be missing important information?
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Jan 1, 2022 12:21
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Flesnolk posted:I found Miguel's actor clearly having gained like 30 pounds between seasons, and Johnny's resembling a very skinny Donald Trump in certain shots, distracting. Fun season so far though Yeah, Xolo's weight gain is... noticeable. And I say this as someone who has definitely chunked up, and not just because of COVID. Dude still looks great, though.
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Jan 1, 2022 12:41
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Oh yeah I'm not going "ha ha, look at fatty fatty oink oink, show bad, he fat" - just once I noticed it I couldn't un-notice it, especially since it's supposed to pick up right where last season left off
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SimonChris posted:I lost interest in the show somewhere in season 2, but I adore Terry Silver. Can I just jump in at the beginning of season four, or will I be missing important information? There's a recap of season 3 but it might be a bit confusing if you didn't even finish 2
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Jan 1, 2022 13:26
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My favorite part of this show is when a character outside of the situation comments on how insane and stupid it all is
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Jan 1, 2022 14:01
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I think sometimes they overdo the lampshading, it starts to feel like when the MCU goes "HAW HAW, superhero stuff stupid, rite???" every five minutes, but stuff like Terry going "it was the 80s and I was on cocaine, I can't believe I spent like three weeks terrorising a child over a high school karate tournament" was pretty funny. I'm also surprised I ended up liking Tory a lot more than Sam this season.
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Flesnolk posted:I think sometimes they overdo the lampshading, it starts to feel like when the MCU goes "HAW HAW, superhero stuff stupid, rite???" every five minutes, but stuff like Terry going "it was the 80s and I was on cocaine, I can't believe I spent like three weeks terrorising a child over a high school karate tournament" was pretty funny. I'm also surprised I ended up liking Tory a lot more than Sam this season. Every single instance of someone commentating the events of Karate Kid 3 were gold.
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precision posted:I still can't get over how skinny Daniel's son is now "What, did you switch to Whopper Jr.'s?" was one of the biggest laughs of th season for me. Also the continuously escalating hilarity of a Johnny Lawrence training montage culminating in a bald eagle doing a hawk screech. I love this show, and don't care how schlocky it is. I think it really finds a good balance of actual emotional moments and tongue in cheek moments. Only complaint for the season was bringing back Stingray. Just not a fan of the character.
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On the second episode now and I love the contrast in Daniel and Robbie teaching Miyagi-Do. Daniel just tries to emulate Mr. Miyagi in all aspects while Robbie is more like "I'm just gonna teach the moves and not have thirty kids wax cars all day". Also was actually blindsided by the elaborate catfishing Danny's rear end in a top hat son and his friends do on the new guy.
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finished the season and need the next season asap, just lol and goddamn terry silver's return was everything i hoped it could be
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Full season: How was the tournament rigged? I was confused at the scene with Terry where money changes hands, because it didn't seem like Cobra Kai got any particular advantage. Sam and Hawk were within a hair of giving Miyagi-Do the overall victory. I had a good time with this season but I think the end got a little sloppy. I got that Miguel was going through some emotional stuff over the last few episodes, but it didn't seem really clear why. I mean, okay, he's worried about his relationship with Sam and not being able to afford to go to a private college, but is it really going to be that upsetting for a kid to find out his mom and his sensei/father figure are getting together? The back injury was out of left field, but not as much as him just disappearing and leaving to find his real father -- have they even mentioned this guy before? Otherwise I really liked what they were doing -- Terry Silver was fantastic, and they're really making Tory a compelling character. I was a little hesitant about the new kid and wondered what they were doing with him, but his story was pretty well done and tied into the main plot in the end, and I see what they're trying to do by showing how different kids respond to the Cobra Kai philosophy for very understandable reasons.
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Phenotype posted:Full season: How was the tournament rigged? I was confused at the scene with Terry where money changes hands, because it didn't seem like Cobra Kai got any particular advantage. Sam and Hawk were within a hair of giving Miyagi-Do the overall victory. Without the preferential judging she would have lost the match, specifically the first point which the referee deemed out of bounds. It also harkens back to Silvers comment that she can do whatever because the referee won't end the match on a technicality..
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Charity Porno posted:My favorite part of this show is when a character outside of the situation comments on how insane and stupid it all is I think my favorite part has to be that Daniel's wife has been right the entire time . A stupid karate tournament isn't the way to solve these kids' problems. She gets sucked into the idea when she's afraid for her daughter's life, but when Kreese tries his usual psychological manipulation tactics, instead of it throwing her off of her karate game it just gets her trying a different tactic. And that different tactic actually makes more difference for Tory than any of the rigged trophies Silver can give her. The adults of the Valley need therapy, the kids of the Valley need their socio-economic problems being tackled at the root, and everyone should be appreciating karate at their own pace when they're no longer being turned into child soldiers over it. Phenotype posted:Full season: I had a good time with this season but I think the end got a little sloppy. I got that Miguel was going through some emotional stuff over the last few episodes, but it didn't seem really clear why. I mean, okay, he's worried about his relationship with Sam and not being able to afford to go to a private college, but is it really going to be that upsetting for a kid to find out his mom and his sensei/father figure are getting together? The back injury was out of left field, but not as much as him just disappearing and leaving to find his real father -- have they even mentioned this guy before? I think Miguel is a further note on that same thesis. The problems these kids are wrestling with are a lot bigger than a karate tournament can solve. Dude's already had two big impactful arcs, and for an 80s karate movie, this would be the triumphant end of his arc. He's overcome a lack of confidence and literally defeated paralysis, and now he's going to win the All Valley but as a good guy for a change. Except, that's all fine for Miguel the Karate Kid. For Miguel, the Human Kid With Actual Hopes And Ambitions Off Of The Karate Mats . . . he's really not fulfilled. Karate's gone from the escape from his stresses to the source of them. His ex and his girlfriend keep getting into explosive karate fights. All the adults in his life are completely consumed by thinking about this great karate war. He can't practice his new style anymore without his sensei getting really territorial about it. He can't practice his old style anymore without his sensei making things awkward and treating him differently because of their somewhat father-son relationship. And Johnny, delirious over being drunk and punch-drunk simultaneously, doesn't even commit on that father-son relationship right after getting Miguel's hopes up with it. The narrative kind of sidelines Miguel, taking it for granted that he's okay and instead focusing on everyone else's interactions with him. And that hits hard when we realize, no, he isn't and hasn't been okay.
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The thing I really like about this show is that there is never a straight antagonist or protagonist. Well, except Silver. Everyone is complex and there's no "this person did the right thing and this person did the wrong thing". Everyone has motivations for everything. I was genuinely shocked when Tory came back to school right after Sam's friend gave her the speech about being the bigger person. I 100% expected her to reach out to Tory and offer to help her reintegrate into school. It was definitely a welcome surprise to see Sam be the bitch. Goddam Terry Silver rules. Though I can never forget that his actor is younger than Ralph Macchio haha THANKS RHYNO FOR THAT INFO YEARS AGO
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Finished the season. My thoughts: - I initially hated Tory even more. The restaurant scene made me really pissed at here as she chose her karate gang life over providing support. This was until episode 3 where the series decides to throw every negative thing at her to feel sympathy for her. - Having Amanda become Tory's mentor was insanely stupid. Why would Tory, especially with her personality, even bother listening to her arch rivals mom? That's a stretch even for the show. - I'm very happy that Stingray is back. - Samantha was just far too mean this season. I get it Tory tormented you, but she just took things way too far. - I'm very happy that Daniel finally disciplined Anthony. Really something that should have happened years ago, but the show makes that very clear. - It's really hard to believe that Kenny is Shawn is brother. - I feel very bad for Miguel. He had it very rough this season. - A lot of the shows "lessons" are '80s family sitcom levels of cheese. - It's becoming apparent that a lot of characters are looking older. It's been nearly four years since they filmed season one and many of these "high school kids" are entering or are in their mid-20s. - The final tournament was very exciting, and I liked the surprise ending of Cobra Kai winning. Overall I really enjoyed the season despite some complaints. Superior to season 3, and I'm looking forward to the 5th, and from what I've heard final, season later this year. Hexmage-SA posted:Also was actually blindsided by the elaborate catfishing Danny's rear end in a top hat son and his friends do on the new guy. I knew before the reveal. It's unfortunately all too common with kids that age. Even back in the AIM days you often had to test the other person to confirm they were who they said they were if they messaged you out of the blue. Phenotype posted:I had a good time with this season but I think the end got a little sloppy. I got that Miguel was going through some emotional stuff over the last few episodes, but it didn't seem really clear why. I mean, okay, he's worried about his relationship with Sam and not being able to afford to go to a private college, but is it really going to be that upsetting for a kid to find out his mom and his sensei/father figure are getting together? The back injury was out of left field, but not as much as him just disappearing and leaving to find his real father -- have they even mentioned this guy before? Outside of Tory, Miguel is probably in the most difficult situation of all the kids. For starters he loses, or at least feels like, he is losing both of his father figures. He quickly bonds with Daniel but that falls through due to not being in Miyagi-do anymore. Johnny has always been the father figure to him but there are two situations instances that highlight the issues that destroy him. The first is Johnny confessing to him how he just wishes he was a better father as he is trying his best to be a better father figure...to Robbie. Who is the same guy that Miguel's girlfriend clearly has hang ups about. The second is after his pulled muscle Johnny really pushes Miguel to go back in and risk himself due to Johnny getting back at Daniel and Cobra Kai and to win over his son...Robbie. Miguel is nothing but a pawn. I'm not the least bit surprised that he decided to do something so drastic to reconnect with his dad as Miguel primary issue is well daddy issues. While this show is filled with characters who I feel turn their behavior up too far compared to their situations, I felt Miguel's reaction was too subdued if anything.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Overall I really enjoyed the season despite some complaints. Superior to season 3, and I'm looking forward to the 5th, and from what I've heard final, season later this year. Was there an announcement that it was coming out later this year? That's awesome! I was worried we'd have to wait again due to shut downs and wind up seeing all these kids move onto college with actors in their 30's. Didn't work well for Arrested Development.
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Medullah posted:The thing I really like about this show is that there is never a straight antagonist or protagonist. Well, except Silver. I'd argue if we can say Kreese isn't a straight antagonist, than neither is Silver. Kreese and Silver bring out the worst in each other. Kreese was ready to give up in Karate Kid 3, and a Silver fueled by cocaine and revenge convinced him to stay in the game. And that dream of a global Cobra Kai, that belief that they haven't lost the war, lit the fire under Kreese that never went out. And when he came back into Silver's life, he returned the favor. And in the process, he created a far greater monster than he ever was, someone willing to take the motto of Cobra Kai and turn it on himself. Silver knows he's weak, he knows he's broken, he knows he's hopelessly devoted to Kreese. Not only does everyone in this show have a weakness, but they also have people they hold close and are willing to risk anything for. Hell, I'd argue half of the Robbie-Miguel-Sam-Tory drama is the fact that each love triangle still cares for all of its participants, even if they've moved past seeing them as romantic prospects. In a show like that, the man willing to cut his object of admiration out of his life in such a brutal manner is dangerous on an unparalleled level. The best part? I don't even think this was a rejection of Kreese. I think this was a further statement of devotion. There's Kreese the man, and Kreese the message and icon. What better way to prove his loyalty to what Kreese represents than to sacrifice the man himself on its altar? punk rebel ecks posted:Finished the season. I feel like Sam's more similar to her father than either wants to admit. For someone who preaches defense, flexibility, and reactivity, whenever he's feeling bullied or pushed into a corner, Daniel is really quick to go on the offensive. He may see being Cobra Kai as a misstep in his life that he moved past, but I don't know if he ever did. He still strikes first and strikes hard without mercy, and his reaction to compromises is nearly always telling the other guy (usually Johnny) to move first. Is it any surprise that Sam has the same mindset? The hostility she's shown Tory reminds me a lot of the hostility Daniel showed Johnny at every turn, both in Karate Kid 1 and in the earliest seasons of Cobra Kai. And you can see that mindset trickled down to how the other Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang students handled Kenny. Instead of going "dude, why are you wearing their shirt, they're dangerous bullies," and maybe steering him onto a better path, they took advantage of outnumbering and outsizing him. They took the fight to their "enemy," when he was really just a poor, lost soul getting drafted into a war too big for him. Come to think of it, is it any coincidence that the series whose main antagonists are Vietnam vets is all about scared, lost children being drafted into a war too big for them? A war that, even when they return from the All-Valley, they've proven incapable of putting behind them? Johnny and Daniel broke their students. Kreese and Silver broke Johnny and Daniel. And the war broke Kreese and Silver. All on the backs of young men clinging to machismo, helplessness, and socio-economic conditions far bigger than they are.
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The Bee posted:I feel like Sam's more similar to her father than either wants to admit. For someone who preaches defense, flexibility, and reactivity, whenever he's feeling bullied or pushed into a corner, Daniel is really quick to go on the offensive. He may see being Cobra Kai as a misstep in his life that he moved past, but I don't know if he ever did. He still strikes first and strikes hard without mercy, and his reaction to compromises is nearly always telling the other guy (usually Johnny) to move first. Is it any surprise that Sam has the same mindset? The hostility she's shown Tory reminds me a lot of the hostility Daniel showed Johnny at every turn, both in Karate Kid 1 and in the earliest seasons of Cobra Kai. While I absolutely see your points, I think you are taking the show a little bit too seriously. Robobot posted:Was there an announcement that it was coming out later this year? That's awesome! I was worried we'd have to wait again due to shut downs and wind up seeing all these kids move onto college with actors in their 30's. Didn't work well for Arrested Development. They already finished filming the fifth season: https://decider.com/2021/12/31/cobra-kai-season-5-netflix-release-date/
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Well, yeah, but it's more fun to analyze media than it is to just watch it and go "ah, yes, this was a thing I've seen." Especially when this show is equal parts an earnest embracing of 80s shlock and a deep look into how said 80s shlock has impacted everyone involved. I mean, a recurring plot throughout this season was literally Terry Silver's fall from the man who escaped his past to a cackling 80s supervillain, acting even worse than he did when he was "hopped up on coke and stalking a teenager." I can find that fascinating and tragic while also laughing my rear end off at the catalyst being him karate kicking a wine bottle in half.
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i was happy with both of the all valley winners. Legit the two I was rooting for going in, even if things turned out to not be on the up and up.
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Just finished this, felt it was a big step up from the last two seasons specifically in the way the karate fighting was mostly limited to the tournament, sparring during training, and a few isolated incidents that didn't become cartoonish karate brawls Just some random responses from things that caught my eye MiddleOne posted:Without the preferential judging she would have lost the match, specifically the first point which the referee deemed out of bounds. It also harkens back to Silvers comment that she can do whatever because the referee won't end the match on a technicality.. There was also the accidental eye jab which was given a warning but that Johnny and Daniel seemed confident merited a point deduction. With that plus the out of bounds non-point, Sam should have been significantly in the lead, that's basically a full two point swing in Tory's favor the judge engineered punk rebel ecks posted:Finished the season. So I actually really liked the way they eased into this. I think it's a stretch to call Amanda a "mentor" at all, at best she is a lady who has stated that she wishes Tory vaguely well and won't use her wealth and influence to literally destroy her life. In their initial encounter Amanda confronted her and essentially got Tory fired and basically immediately realized she hosed up by harassing a teenager. After Kreese told her about Tory's situation Amanda did a half-assed "I'll use money to solve this!" and pissed Tory off again. The turning point was basically the skating rink incident followed by Tory's aunt showing up. Since the LaRusso's were the key decider on whether Tory could even go back to school, she was basically backed into a corner and had to have faith that Amanda was actually true to her word and would help (really "let") Tory try and get her life back together. After that the only interaction was at the tournament where she just asked Tory to not use any dirty tricks that could seriously hurt Sam. The whole "you should really get counseling for your anger problems" was maybe a "mentor" moment but it was also a condition for the LaRusso's to sign off on her coming back to school, which she needed to do if she wants custody of her brother when her mom dies punk rebel ecks posted:
I agree this was a bit of an overcorrection from previous seasons where Sam was a major goody-goody, but I do like that they gave her more edge and the drive to be aggressive and rebel a bit from her father's way. I think the major sympathy they were trying to dump onto Tory's character exasperated this problem and we could've used more of a refresher on how intense it got and how much Tory had tormented Sam the previous season(s). I kind of had the same issue with Hawk in the first few episodes, if you hadn't just watched season 3 it's easy to forget that Hawk went real evil and broke Dimitri's arm, so they just launched right into giving him a bunch of poo poo. But that got resolved in the first few episodes, Sam/Tory's arc was spread out the entire season and Tory's scenes were mostly dedicated to her struggling so the animosity seemed extremely one-sided, and the occasional petty poo poo Tory did seemed half-hearted by comparison. MichaelFlatley posted:After marathoning the season did anyone else think Chozen was initially written to be Julie Pierce? My issue with this: if there were more scenes with Chozen or even just some hints at the idea of recruiting Miyagi's other students then maybe. Otherwise why not just use the time in between seasons to see if they could book Swank? Unless they really, really had a solid idea that they needed to end on the good guys recruiting someone from the franchise as a counter-balance to last season, as well as an arc already planned around this for next season with a super firm "no" from Swank, it would seem odd to swap her out instead of just cutting the scene and maybe replacing it with a scene between Daniel and Johnny.
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Guy A. Person posted:So I actually really liked the way they eased into this. I think it's a stretch to call Amanda a "mentor" at all, at best she is a lady who has stated that she wishes Tory vaguely well and won't use her wealth and influence to literally destroy her life. In their initial encounter Amanda confronted her and essentially got Tory fired and basically immediately realized she hosed up by harassing a teenager. After Kreese told her about Tory's situation Amanda did a half-assed "I'll use money to solve this!" and pissed Tory off again. The turning point was basically the skating rink incident followed by Tory's aunt showing up. Since the LaRusso's were the key decider on whether Tory could even go back to school, she was basically backed into a corner and had to have faith that Amanda was actually true to her word and would help (really "let") Tory try and get her life back together. After that the only interaction was at the tournament where she just asked Tory to not use any dirty tricks that could seriously hurt Sam. The whole "you should really get counseling for your anger problems" was maybe a "mentor" moment but it was also a condition for the LaRusso's to sign off on her coming back to school, which she needed to do if she wants custody of her brother when her mom dies This is a very good point that I didn't catch on. I thought she went to Amanda due to her seeking advice. I forgot that situation was essentially forced on her.
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Legitimately one of the best lines in the entirety of the season, I lost my poo poo at that.
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I'm only 3 episodes into the latest season and I have no idea how this show can be so goddamn cheesy but be so goddamn good as it weaves poo poo from all three Karate Kid movies into this compelling narrative and... It defies logic and I love it.
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