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I think that if Cloak and Dagger reappear, it'll be as side characters in something with a lot of characters. The next Avengers or whatever. Somewhere where they'll be noticeable and cool for fans of the show, but not important enough to make people go 'guess I gotta go watch all that show'. Maybe I'm wrong. At least one person I know has started watched daredevil out of the back to back return of Matt and Fisk in the MCU, because they want to know more about who these characters are.
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AOS is a bit of a weird case because the implications of things that happened in it are pretty major shifts in the MCU. You can include Jarvis in Endgame or Matt Murdock in Spiderman because nothing in Agent Carter or Daredevil changes the status quo for the films at all. If you want to use Quake, you're suddenly dealing with a resurrected robot Coulson and a fully restored Shield under Mack, which has all sorts of implications you have to deal with for the films.
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The parallel world where Quake gets powerful enough to destroy planet Earth and Space Elves enslave the handful of human survivors with T-1000 earworms.
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AoS also explicitly goes back to the prime timeline at the end.
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AoS season 4 (Ghost Rider/LMDs/Agents of Hydra) is up there with the best seasons of any Marvel show IMO, and most of the others are good with some great moments here and there (Quake launching Graviton into orbit is still one of my favorite moments in any superhero show). It would be neat to see some characters pop up in minor side roles (e.g. Fitz and Simmons as scientists in one or two scenes, no backstory necessary), but I doubt even that will happen and I'm fine with the show being its own separate thing.
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tsob posted:They kind of had to do that though, to be fair, because some of their larger, prime properties like Spiderman, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and Hulk were not their toys to play with for the moment in terms of films. Still aren't really. They had to do films with characters the public weren't as familiar with like Iron-Man, Captain America, Thor etc. to do anything at all and even when those characters were known, they weren't generally as well regarded as a character like Batman or even Superman. I still remember the trepidation around doing a Captain America film, because it'd be so easy to make that patriotic, flag waving nonsense that isolated non-American audiences and even turned off a lot of Americans who didn't want a hero that was just about "America, gently caress yeah!". Yeah, but having been put in that position Disney/Marvel clearly made the most of it. They proved 2nd/3rd/4th etc tier characters can. At this point why not bring back Cloak and Dagger on Disney+ with the original actors? I mean, who gave a gently caress about Chris Evans back in 2010 before Captain America: The First Avenger?
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I should probably make it clear -- and in retrospect this might have caused some confusion I guess? -- that I absolutely do not expect them to make an entirely new Cloak and Dagger series, continuing off where we left off...like, no yeah, that would be very strange (though not unwelcome!). What I think is that we might see the characters again at some point, and that they'd just get the same actors from before back, in part because "Ew, relatively unknown actors?? Gross, get them away from our properties!" is not a sentiment I've ever gleaned from, like, any MCU projects at all, ever.
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Everyone posted:... At this point why not bring back Cloak and Dagger on Disney+ with the original actors?... Because the last few pages of this thread is the most I'v seen anyone talk about C&D anywhere ever (and I'm friends with someone who wrote a published C&D comic). Are you all working for the Bill Mantlo and Ed Hannigan estates?
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Every time someone wonders why we're talking about Marvel TV show Cloak and Dagger in the Marvel TV show thread, two more posts about Marvel TV show Cloak and Dagger will be posted
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8one6 posted:Because the last few pages of this thread is the most I'v seen anyone talk about C&D anywhere ever (and I'm friends with someone who wrote a published C&D comic). Are you all working for the Bill Mantlo and Ed Hannigan estates? I haven't seen so much as a single episode of Cloak and Dagger. My comment was from the perspective that the power of Disney's MCU construction and marketing is such that if it were brought back by Disney, it would likely be a success.
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BrianWilly posted:I should probably make it clear -- and in retrospect this might have caused some confusion I guess? -- that I absolutely do not expect them to make an entirely new Cloak and Dagger series, continuing off where we left off...like, no yeah, that would be very strange (though not unwelcome!). What I think is that we might see the characters again at some point, and that they'd just get the same actors from before back, in part because "Ew, relatively unknown actors?? Gross, get them away from our properties!" is not a sentiment I've ever gleaned from, like, any MCU projects at all, ever. ShadowHawk fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jan 1, 2022 |
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That's a pretty misleading article; did you read it? The next line literally says "at least for a little while," and then in the interview she just says she generally likes to take breaks between projects. She's still starring in a TV show as of this year.
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If you really like the C&D characters I'm not sure you really want them in the MCU. So far all we have is a small cameo for Daredevil, Kingpin getting "killed" in the same episode he debuts in, and Quicksilver 2.0 passed off as a (hilarious) boner joke.
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Daredevil and Kingpin are obvious seeds for Echo though?
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Daredevil was a legit good show. They should bring it back…
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Collapsing Farts posted:Daredevil was a legit good show. They should bring it back… I just want Foggy and Karen back. 
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I miss Hawkeye and want more Hawkeye. That show was good.
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stev posted:I just want Foggy and Karen back. I believe Feige said that with Matt and Kingpin now in the MCU that the door's not closed Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson
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cant cook creole bream posted:I miss Hawkeye and want more Hawkeye. That show was good. I have been very patient because I understand nobody wants to work over the holidays but if they don't announce the Hawkeye/Black Widow movie on Monday I will be kicking off
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Rarity posted:I have been very patient because I understand nobody wants to work over the holidays but if they don't announce the Hawkeye/Black Widow movie on Monday I will be kicking off I don't know. I think I'd prefer Kate Hawkeye/Yelena Black Widow to stay in the D+ series format. The movies tend to bring in a bunch of sky beam nonsense while the show have been better on sheer characterization.
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I'm totally fine with a TV show instead just announce SOMETHING godammit 
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“We can’t give you a long running Black Widow/Hawkeye team up show because we too busy filming Oops, All Agatha!”
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Collapsing Farts posted:Daredevil was a legit good show. They should bring it back… Is it possible to watch & enjoy Daredevil only without going into the rest of Netflix Marvel? I saw the first season of DD, Jones & Cage way back but Iron Fist killed my interest in continuing so never saw Defenders or any second seasons. How lost will I be?
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Hobo Clown posted:Is it possible to watch & enjoy Daredevil only without going into the rest of Netflix Marvel? I saw the first season of DD, Jones & Cage way back but Iron Fist killed my interest in continuing so never saw Defenders or any second seasons. How lost will I be? Defenders has some pay off to Daredevil Season 2, but you could jump to the third without missing out on much if you choose to skip it. Generally the other shows don't impact a whole lot.
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Just give me eight episodes of Kate and Yelena hanging out doing whatever. Let the Young Avengers stuff be a movie.
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Hobo Clown posted:Is it possible to watch & enjoy Daredevil only without going into the rest of Netflix Marvel? I saw the first season of DD, Jones & Cage way back but Iron Fist killed my interest in continuing so never saw Defenders or any second seasons. How lost will I be? The end of Defenders directly informs the starting status quo of DD S3, but that's about it so reading a wiki will get you up to speed, tl;dr a building falls on Matt, he loses the red costume and everybody thinks he's dead
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Defenders also "wraps up" the hanging Elektra and Stick plot thread from Daredevil, if that's a thing that matters to you. It also holds the distinction for being the first show Mephisto was definitely going to be in but sadly wasn't 
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Mephisto will definitely be revealed as the big bad of Multiverse of Madness... You'll see...
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Marvel announcing a new spinoff, Waiting for Mephisto.
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Schrodinger's Villain: every villain may or may not be Mephisto, the only way to find out is to observe.
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gently caress Cloak & Dagger, they've always been poo poo. Make a Ruby Thursday series, Disney you cowards. I want amoral superscientist conwoman shenanigans.
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She was also in the guardians video game!
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Hobo Clown posted:Is it possible to watch & enjoy Daredevil only without going into the rest of Netflix Marvel? I saw the first season of DD, Jones & Cage way back but Iron Fist killed my interest in continuing so never saw Defenders or any second seasons. How lost will I be? You gotta go back and watch the rest of Daredevil. The back half of season 2 is considered weak, but the Punisher first half is incredible. (The Elektra stuff isn’t even terrible, just a drop from the usual standard.) You don’t have to watch Defenders between S2 and S3, but it’s only 8 episodes and if you go in knowing the second half is weak and it botches the landing, the character interactions as they team up is great. Even Iron Fist is good in it because it’s just everyone taking turns to dunk on him. S3 of Daredevil takes a couple of episodes to warm up, then it’s one of the best things Marvel ever did. Hot takes on the rest of the stuff you missed: Don’t watch S2-3 of Jessica Jones. Do watch Punisher S1 but then stop as it’s a perfect ending they wrote past. Don’t watch any Iron Fist if you haven’t started. (Do look up the Colleen Wing stuff on YouTube as she got some good fights in S2) If you’ve seen Luke Cage S1 then do watch S2 as it got so much better as it went along that I’m now sad we won’t see a S3.
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tsob posted:Schrodinger's Villain: every villain may or may not be Mephisto, the only way to find out is to observe. With Secret Invasion coming, this is basically the case with everyone now.
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stev posted:I just want Foggy and Karen back. Karen and Foggy were so much more interesting characters than Matt Murdock. Maybe they will show up in She-Hulk?
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Parkingtigers posted:Don’t watch any Iron Fist if you haven’t started. (Do look up the Colleen Wing stuff on YouTube as she got some good fights in S2) The Colleen/Misty stuff was too good for that show, they should get their own series. Actually throw in Jessica Jones and White Tiger and make it an all-female Heroes for Hire show
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God, Defenders was such a disappointment I still don't understand why they even bothered to get Sigourney Weaver just for her to fart around for like 3 episodes and then get killed off
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Soonmot posted:She was also in the guardians video game! For a brief but memorable five minute diversion that contributed nothing to the plot
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DarklyDreaming posted:For a brief but memorable five minute diversion that contributed nothing to the plot That doesn't seem like bad thing.
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