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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Some of these posters are still trying to claim Libya was worth it. Lol yep, thanks for reminding me. Squalid was the absolute worst of the lot what with him consistently holding up Libya as some sort of success story of military intervention. All the while also insisting Syria would be better off with a Libyan style "no fly zone". Just complete and utter lib brained delusion.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:39
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/1477179213463621635?s=20 Cai xia is interesting in that when you've read around it's q obvious that all the stuff she writes is just by-the-numbers invocation of whatever the current favoured China watcher memes are, no matter how incoherent or implausible they are when brought together. there's literally nothing in it, even the anecdotes, which you can't also find in generic natsec China scare books with red dragon covers. The fact that that's the best a supposed insider can bring to the table really helps demonstrate a. the China grift in general and b. how little knowledge of China anyone in western policy circles actually now has in the 2020s (the obliteration of the US intel network didn't help!)
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Jan 1, 2022 19:49
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Zohar posted:The fact that that's the best a supposed insider can bring to the table really helps demonstrate a. the China grift in general and b. how little knowledge of China anyone in western policy circles actually now has in the 2020s (the obliteration of the US intel network didn't help!) Western policy circles have rarely had a grasp on any of the regions they've meddled in. A group of scholars figured out in the 2010s that the American government generally, and the CIA specifically, had no repository of Taliban primary sources (newspapers legal rulings memoirs poetry etc) despite their wide availability within Afghanistan, and not a single one of the former agents and "Taliban experts" they interviewed had ever read any.
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Jan 1, 2022 20:03
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lol i wanted to be one of those anthropological analysts when i was in high school
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Jan 1, 2022 20:07
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You could have been the first one.
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Jan 1, 2022 20:08
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Western policy circles have rarely had a grasp on any of the regions they've meddled in. A group of scholars figured out in the 2010s that the American government generally, and the CIA specifically, had no repository of Taliban primary sources (newspapers legal rulings memoirs poetry etc) despite their wide availability within Afghanistan, and not a single one of the former agents and "Taliban experts" they interviewed had ever read any. yeah you have a point. I do think the situation with china is particularly bad, there's definitely been a generational change when you compare people like Chas Freeman (who worked for Nixon) with the Matt Pottinger types ruling the roost today who are basically morons
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Jan 1, 2022 20:12
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https://twitter.com/yeongno3/status/1477301729565855744?s=20 didn’t know this was a thing lol
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Jan 1, 2022 20:12
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https://danwang.co/2021-letter/
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Jan 1, 2022 20:19
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Jan 1, 2022 20:22
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Zohar posted:yeah you have a point. I do think the situation with china is particularly bad, there's definitely been a generational change when you compare people like Chas Freeman (who worked for Nixon) with the Matt Pottinger types ruling the roost today who are basically morons It's not like the Nixon white house had even the faintest idea of what was going on in Vietnam.
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Jan 1, 2022 20:25
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lee carter spending all his time yelling about tankies on twitter somehow didn't translate into electoral success
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Jan 1, 2022 20:25
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Goast posted:hey pyf guys every single post you see demonizing china are the same assholes that convinced you the iraq war was a good idea just doing the same thing, again, almost two decades later 
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Jan 1, 2022 20:26
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thatfatkid posted:Lol yep, thanks for reminding me. Squalid was the absolute worst of the lot what with him consistently holding up Libya as some sort of success story of military intervention. All the while also insisting Syria would be better off with a Libyan style "no fly zone". Just complete and utter lib brained delusion. Squalid was hilarious* with Venezuela and Bolivia in recent years as well *awful
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Jan 1, 2022 20:33
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John Charity Spring posted:lee carter spending all his time yelling about tankies on twitter somehow didn't translate into electoral success Not about tankies, he kept on getting into fights with the epic irony "leftists" on Twitter. Also the DSA completely abandoned him because of some Twitter drama. Just a big lol all around.
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Jan 1, 2022 20:42
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John Charity Spring posted:lee carter spending all his time yelling about tankies on twitter somehow didn't translate into electoral success what a thing to complain about. how many tankies have threatened to kill him?
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Jan 1, 2022 20:42
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lee carter was unable to master being online and it consumed him
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Jan 1, 2022 20:44
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Not about tankies, he kept on getting into fights with the epic irony "leftists" on Twitter. Also the DSA completely abandoned him because of some Twitter drama. Just a big lol all around. didn’t he actually not do anything with the local dsa chapter? i remember hearing that he basically ignored their organizers this time around
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Jan 1, 2022 20:53
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FrancisFukyomama posted:didn’t he actually not do anything with the local dsa chapter? i remember hearing that he basically ignored their organizers this time around Local DSA got mad at him for actually trying to do Left wing things so they joined in the sabotaging efforts
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Jan 1, 2022 20:55
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I love the dramatic interpretations but Lee just burned out after dealing with the realities of being part of an actual state legislature, and he tried throwing a random hail mary in the process (in the form of running for governor without actually putting in any of the legwork that won him his previous seat, ostensibly due to a combination of that same burnout and COVID).
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Jan 1, 2022 20:57
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how about start with fixing poo poo at home in america first you dumb loving shits
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Jan 1, 2022 21:01
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:what a thing to complain about. how many tankies have threatened to kill him? not enough
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Jan 1, 2022 21:04
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Kim Jong-un looking strong and coiffed.
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Jan 1, 2022 21:19
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Dan wang is a mixed bag imo but his yearly letters are still leagues ahead of anything you'll see in the economist or whatever so they're worth reading through. some of my gripes: the dead hand of socialist Beijing vs. liberal free-thinking Shanghai/Guangdong stuff -- "Shanghai and Shenzhen are creating wealth and leisure; Beijing is trying to lift their gaze towards its banner of utopia" etc. -- is to a large extent just a lazy stereotype, and the Beijing/DC comparison is off the mark -- DC isn't a combo political / manufacturing / high tech centre like the Beijing area is, it was never intended to be and doesn't have the feedback effects of Beijing where government administrators are directly in touch with industry and tech on a day-to-day basis. just based on personal experience the contrast between liberal southerners and authoritarian northerners seems to have been scrambled to a large extent -- a lot of the hardcore nationalists I've spoken to are in places like Zhejiang and Guangdong, most of the pro-west liberal types are from Beijing. also don't think the Pearl River area and shanghai can be conflated in the way he does. Shanghai is a financial centre, not of real production in the way Shenzhen is, and Shanghai's cultural scene is also increasingly financialised much like HK's has been. there are contrasts between Beijing, Shanghai and SZ/the Delta which are worth drawing out but they don't really correspond to the picture that Wang sketches here. his comments about global hostility to china betray a sort of liberal status anxiety I think -- china psychosis is primarily an anglo thing, to a lesser extent a western and european thing, and barely visible in the global south. plenty of people in SE Asia don't like china, eg, but the reasons are generally grounded in specific long-running political issues rather than the general anxiety and anger in the anglophone world. in other places that never feature in the rising hostility to China stories (like the Arab world according to polls from last year) China's public image remains much better than the West's. I don't think at all that "the party-state really seems to believe that the rest of the world must love China because of its economic growth". my impression is instead that most of the people dealing with stuff think with varying degrees of explicitness that Anglos will ultimately hate a China that challenges their status no matter what and it's better to be feared than seen with contempt. from that perspective there are other people that China can focus on being "lovable" to. I generally disagree with the culture stuff. again, I think his comments there say more about his own personal commitments and the sorts of people he knows than the country itself -- a kind of River Elegy perspective that if it's not churning out cultural products that specifically appeal to the West (or just America) then it must be "stagnant". if it's just a complaint about China lacking a global cultural industrial policy with big economic rewards like south korea's that's one thing, but in the context of the huge ferment of writing on the chinese internet, the booming art scenes in beijing xiamen etc.. talking about "cultural stunting" or how the government "ground down the country’s creative capacity" just seems insulting and ignorant. and if we are reducing culture to profit, the fact that something obvious but foreign to the boomer-liberal mindset like Genshin Impact doesn't feature on the list of successful Chinese cultural products seems quite telling
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Jan 1, 2022 21:26
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IT'S HAPPY HOLIDAYS YOU COMMIE SCUM *let's rip with heavy machine gun*
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Jan 1, 2022 21:29
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/yeongno3/status/1477301729565855744?s=20 the stilted english name + chinese surname combo is a cherished hk tradition
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Jan 1, 2022 21:41
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Back in the day it would have been more common for Hong kongers to romanize the last name as "Lee" instead of the pinyin "Li", but it's not like there aren't lots of shithead mainlanders willing to shill for the West too.
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Jan 1, 2022 21:56
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Julius CSAR posted:So…. I know we shouldn’t post other posters from here, so I’m just posting an image with the username stripped out, and no link to the thread, and I get where this is coming from, but it is also one of the most dogshit CSPAMiest takes I have ever loving read: what being in the dsa does to a mf
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Jan 1, 2022 22:48
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the allied air campaign was literally based around terror bombing but sure go off
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Jan 1, 2022 22:50
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Nonsense posted:lee carter was unable to master being online and it consumed him I think Lee Carter won't be online much either after this past week https://twitter.com/SeanRMoorhead/status/1475660038286942209?s=20
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Jan 1, 2022 22:52
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like close air support was never really a thing for the US or UK, everything was centered around strategic bombing
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Jan 1, 2022 22:53
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exmarx posted:what being in the dsa does to a mf 3. Almost all of the “war crimes” committed by the allies were isolated incidents, not actually war crimes due to the standards and technology of the era (ie area bombing), or committed against populations as part of an imperial project that weren’t axis populations (mass executions in Poland or starvation in India).
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Jan 1, 2022 23:21
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a real WW2 pedant would say the terror bombings extended the war, not ended it
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Jan 1, 2022 23:21
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'it wasn't a war crime because nobody had done it before us' is such cool logic
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Jan 1, 2022 23:22
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I sure hope 'but show me in the rule book where what we did was EXPLICITLY illegal at the time' wasn't a major part of Nazi defenses or that'd be super revealing of the kind of people who say poo poo like that!
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Jan 1, 2022 23:23
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Western policy circles have rarely had a grasp on any of the regions they've meddled in. A group of scholars figured out in the 2010s that the American government generally, and the CIA specifically, had no repository of Taliban primary sources (newspapers legal rulings memoirs poetry etc) despite their wide availability within Afghanistan, and not a single one of the former agents and "Taliban experts" they interviewed had ever read any. Didn't the Bush Administration not know about the split between shia and sunni and how it would affect the situation within the country when they invaded Iraq
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Jan 1, 2022 23:24
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I like how before ww2 kicked off, Winston Churchill was going around wanking about how fascism and nazism was a good thing because they'll get rid of the communists in europe. The only thing that got Nazi Germany in their bad books was that they were doing colonialism wrong (on white people and not against the lesser brown peoples). Plus the nazis were a threat to the still then British and French empires. Deadshit libs always go on about how ww2 was all about the Western allies defending freedom when in actual reality it was just old colonial powers trying to preserve their empires. The USSR was the only faction that was actually fighting a noble war.
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Jan 1, 2022 23:30
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I didn't think I'd see worse than the dnd or gbs thread, but then I was made aware of the pyf thread
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Jan 1, 2022 23:30
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they think the tank hit that dude
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Jan 1, 2022 23:34
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Feldegast42 posted:Didn't the Bush Administration not know about the split between shia and sunni and how it would affect the situation within the country when they invaded Iraq i thought they knew it was vast majority shia which is where we got 'greeted as liberators' from
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Jan 1, 2022 23:37
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sexpig by night posted:'it wasn't a war crime because nobody had done it before us' is such cool logic also everyone at the time regarded bombing of (white, European) civilian populations as horrific, it's why events like the bombings of Guernica or Granollers in the Spanish Civil War were seen as atrocities, although e.g. the RAF did it against Indians and Arabs as a matter of routine and no-one back home gave a poo poo if they ever heard about it
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Jan 1, 2022 23:39
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