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Not Canon Also I wish atlus didn't block the literal rest of the game from screenshotting lol
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Dec 26, 2021 00:45
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I’m finally starting in on the other Persona games. I’m just going backwards from 5 so P4G is up next. I’m still very early on but man is Inaba a huge leap away from Tokyo. It very much reminds me of small towns that I’ve been in because my parents grew up in them, and as a dyed-in-the-wool city person I understand how different that can be. Also already pre-annoyed that Chie isn’t gay because her whole vibe is very “small town teen not realizing you’re allowed to be gay”, especially with the “wait is my soulmate a girl?” conversation right as poo poo is going down edit: also already missing Morgana sorry but cat > child & weird fake bear thing
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Dec 28, 2021 22:56
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DC Murderverse posted:I’m finally starting in on the other Persona games. I’m just going backwards from 5 so P4G is up next. I’m still very early on but man is Inaba a huge leap away from Tokyo. It very much reminds me of small towns that I’ve been in because my parents grew up in them, and as a dyed-in-the-wool city person I understand how different that can be. Atlus has form on writing gay characters who aren't allowed to be gay, and Chie is far from the worst case in P4G. quote:edit: also already missing Morgana sorry but cat > child & weird fake bear thing I won't hear a word against Nanako. On the other hand Morgana >> Teddie. For that matter Ohya > Teddie.
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Dec 29, 2021 03:11
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I feel bad that I am basically forced to level up Ohya's confidant since I don't have anything else to do at night right now besides grind out stat boosts at the jazz club... meanwhile I still completely whiffed on finishing Yoshida's confidant and there's no turning back that clock. Since I still haven't actually gotten to third semester stuff (since the game takes a break between Christmas and New Year's) I also am uncertain of the status of confidants whose requests I haven't dealt with in Mementos (I hadn't finished Shinya's yet)
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Dec 29, 2021 08:38
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I definitely prefer Teddie to Morgana. I don't dislike Morgana particularly, but having the player's inner monologue get replaced by talking to your companion just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't mind it in games like Zelda with a silent protagonist, but didn't like it here.
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Dec 30, 2021 00:58
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DC Murderverse posted:I’m finally starting in on the other Persona games. I’m just going backwards from 5 so P4G is up next. I’m still very early on but man is Inaba a huge leap away from Tokyo. It very much reminds me of small towns that I’ve been in because my parents grew up in them, and as a dyed-in-the-wool city person I understand how different that can be. woo boy I have a lot of words to say about P4G and how it treats their cast.
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Dec 30, 2021 01:57
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Alder posted:woo boy I have a lot of words to say about P4G and how it treats their cast. might as well post them then there's not a lot else going on itt
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Dec 30, 2021 02:32
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Supposedly P5 Strikers is going to be free on PS+ next month. I might have to pick up P5 Royal to see what all the hype has been about.
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Dec 30, 2021 03:26
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I’m sure this is asked all the time but if I have free access to persona 5 via PS + is it worth 20$ to get royal or should I just play the free version
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Dec 30, 2021 03:32
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hobbez posted:I’m sure this is asked all the time but if I have free access to persona 5 via PS + is it worth 20$ to get royal or should I just play the free version I'd probably go with Royal, but I'm not sure where you're seeing it for 20$. You could get the deluxe version with PSN subscription for 20$ up until about a week ago but that sale's sadly over. There's also the ultimate edition which was double that, but that sale ended even earlier. They'll be on sale again for sure, and probably even lower, but those ships have sailed for the time being.
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Dec 30, 2021 03:40
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Alder posted:woo boy I have a lot of words to say about P4G and how it treats their cast. It's been a long time since I played P4, and I guess I'll spoiler it since someone is actively playing it right now, but the only one I really remember is Yukiko's where the character arc goes "I don't want to take over the inn, I want to live my own life! No, wait, actually I want to take over the inn after all." Am I right in thinking that a lot of the other character arcs were the same way?
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Dec 30, 2021 04:32
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hobbez posted:I’m sure this is asked all the time but if I have free access to persona 5 via PS + is it worth 20$ to get royal or should I just play the free version I played Royal only and I feel like at least 5 times through the game somebody told me about how it changed from the original and I was like “oh poo poo I’m glad I didn’t play the old one”. Baton Pass especially makes the battles feel much snappier and you get it right away in Royal. And for something long like this you’re unlikely to want to play it again so just jumping on the better one is probably the right call. Royal is definitely worth it imo especially if you’re gonna end up with Strikers for free
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Dec 30, 2021 05:30
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Strikers doesn't incorporate any story from Royal but yeah Royal has so much quality of life stuff even for the basic gameplay
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Dec 30, 2021 05:44
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hobbez posted:I’m sure this is asked all the time but if I have free access to persona 5 via PS + is it worth 20$ to get royal or should I just play the free version It depends what $20 over the span of a 100 hour game is worth to you; they are the same basic game but P5R is better in almost every way from the translation to the story to the exploration to the combat. Even the central story is improved by turning one of the main characters from someone that automatically ranks up to someone you make friends with. So I'd recommend the upgrade - but it's not worth food money.
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Dec 30, 2021 13:36
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Royal is definitely worth it. I remember after I finished Royal I went and played P4G and I really missed things like Baton Pass, Guns, etc. Also, I thought the third semester content was some of the best writing in the game. Also, Mementos pre-Royal sounds absolutely dreadful.
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Dec 30, 2021 19:19
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Baton Pass is in vanilla, it's just way less useful.
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Dec 30, 2021 19:28
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Twelve by Pies posted:It's been a long time since I played P4, and I guess I'll spoiler it since someone is actively playing it right now, but the only one I really remember is Yukiko's where the character arc goes "I don't want to take over the inn, I want to live my own life! No, wait, actually I want to take over the inn after all." Am I right in thinking that a lot of the other character arcs were the same way? Not really a lot (though I dislike the way P4/G handles a lot of topics) but there is at least one where it's roughly the same.
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Dec 30, 2021 19:38
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Arist posted:Baton Pass is in vanilla, it's just way less useful. It's extremely annoying in original that you are actively discouraged from using your newest party member in a dungeon because they won't unlock baton pass until after it's over, that was such a huge fix in Royal lol
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Dec 30, 2021 20:03
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I'm having a really, really hard time getting through the 3rd semester. the Kasumi stuff is all fun and good and kind of interesting but I kind of just want this to be done now. The fact that all the new hang out seshes with your friends are all functionally identicle and unvoiced is really, really awkward and bad.
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Dec 30, 2021 20:25
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Shining Arrows being functionally useless for points purposes against the P3 protag in the challenge battle is some grade-A bullshit 
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DC Murderverse posted:Also already pre-annoyed that Chie isn’t gay because her whole vibe is very “small town teen not realizing you’re allowed to be gay”, especially with the “wait is my soulmate a girl?” conversation right as poo poo is going down The Chie/Yukiko scene in the first dungeon.
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Twelve by Pies posted:It's been a long time since I played P4, and I guess I'll spoiler it since someone is actively playing it right now, but the only one I really remember is Yukiko's where the character arc goes "I don't want to take over the inn, I want to live my own life! No, wait, actually I want to take over the inn after all." Am I right in thinking that a lot of the other character arcs were the same way? Eh, yeah that yukiko SL  I rmb thinking even way back then that it would've been handled better since there was no real progress from start to finish. Kanji: I really liked his character and SL but the actual main story scenes it's just terrible and I feel bad. I've played P4/G multiple times and it's terrible each time how everyone reacts to him and later on. I'm like he's just a good boy who deserved better. Naoto: Wow, one of the few SL where the actual dating ending was really ... strange. I'm like devs had an idea ... and just kinda backtracked on her main problem which went nowhere. It's a shame since I liked her character but the entire feeling was a wasted opportunity. Also, don't forget the terrible creepy jokes every cast member suffered though. Also, Teddy's constant weird remarks didn't help later on.
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Dec 31, 2021 22:08
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Naoto is weird because I love her character and probably would choose to date her but the actual things you need to do to date her are weird and strange so I can't.
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Dec 31, 2021 22:10
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Cast Brave Step, then whiff the critical on two Sword Dances (both with Apt Pupil backup) and one One-Shot Kill in the same turn then get instakilled by Lavenza gently caress you game
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Dec 31, 2021 23:06
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Alder posted:Kanji: I really liked his character and SL but the actual main story scenes it's just terrible and I feel bad. I've played P4/G multiple times and it's terrible each time how everyone reacts to him and later on. I'm like he's just a good boy who deserved better. I remember liking Yosuke a lot when I first played the game years ago but watching people play it now it's like, he's just a complete rear end in a top hat to Kanji for basically no reason and it sucks, Yosuke sucks. Also I'm not 100% sure I remember Kanji's SL resolution, I want to say it's he doesn't think he's necessarily gay but due to his upbringing he's into a lot of things which are considered traditionally feminine and that's why people assume he's gay. Which on one hand is a valid statement about how gender stereotypes affect people, and a rejection of the idea that "all gay guys must be flaming, all lesbian women must be butch." On the other hand it also kinda feels like the writers were just apprehensive about having a gay character.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I remember liking Yosuke a lot when I first played the game years ago but watching people play it now it's like, he's just a complete rear end in a top hat to Kanji for basically no reason and it sucks, Yosuke sucks. Yeah, I get what they were going for, and I don't think the resolution to his arc isn't necessarily bad, but I will agree that 'apprehensive' is very much a good descriptor about a lot of things P4 does. It doesn't commit to a lot of things.
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Dec 31, 2021 23:54
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Twelve by Pies posted:Also I'm not 100% sure I remember Kanji's SL resolution, I want to say it's he doesn't think he's necessarily gay but due to his upbringing he's into a lot of things which are considered traditionally feminine and that's why people assume he's gay. Which on one hand is a valid statement about how gender stereotypes affect people, and a rejection of the idea that "all gay guys must be flaming, all lesbian women must be butch." On the other hand it also kinda feels like the writers were just apprehensive about having a gay character. Having Kanji's SL resolution go that way in a vacuum wouldn't have been so much of a problem. It's that all the gay-appearing SLs go in the exact same way - and just about all the SLs are "your problems boil down to you not accepting your place in the world"
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neonchameleon posted:Having Kanji's SL resolution go that way in a vacuum wouldn't have been so much of a problem. It's that all the gay-appearing SLs go in the exact same way - and just about all the SLs are "your problems boil down to you not accepting your place in the world" Not, really? The whole deal is the assumptions and pressures put on people by those around them, regardless of their own feelings on the matter.
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Naoto's SL is odd because it has fuckall to do with what went down in her dungeon.
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Funky Valentine posted:Naoto's SL is odd because it has fuckall to do with what went down in her dungeon. Doesn't she rediscover her pure love of detective work, which her dungeon is all about the things that impede her ability to perform it (too young, not a man, too childish). But tied into the fact that she is allowed to like robots and other cool things and still be an "adult".
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Lord_Magmar posted:Doesn't she rediscover her pure love of detective work, which her dungeon is all about the things that impede her ability to perform it (too young, not a man, too childish). But tied into the fact that she is allowed to like robots and other cool things and still be an "adult". Like, kind of? IIRC, her butler (on orders of her grandfather) is faking a robbery case using a bunch of old toys she used to play with in order to rebuild her love of detectiveing, but apart from the toys reminding her of her past, it's not about her accepting her childishness or whatever. Naoto's handling is incredibly weird. They're focused almost exclusively on Naoto's worries that she's too young and immature to be a proper detective, so there's robots and secret bases and the shadow boss design is a old timey robot with a toy raygun. But the 'surprise she was a girl the whole time!' tends to get more of the attention both in and out of universe, and the s.link's romance route is very stereotypical (protect her by physically throwing yourself in front of an attacker or you can't date her! You can tell her to change her way of speaking to get her to dress in a stereotypically feminine manner!) and it's ugh. To summarize P4 has issues.
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If anything the "you are 15 years old, shut the gently caress up" problem seems to be the bigger issue the Inaba PD have with her. Actually does the Inaba police even know she's a girl?
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Hellioning posted:To summarize P4 has issues. No doubt, I just think it's worth discussing what is issues with the writing on a more like, overall level, versus what is an issue where the story isn't what people wanted from it (which is still a valid feeling). Like, I think the changes to their plans around Yosuke kind of really mess up his whole character in a very uncomfortable and unfortunate way. Where the original (or wherever the idea came from) of him having a romance social link turns his comments around Kanji from just straight homophobia to a more self-loathing/self-hating thing about his own level of comfort with his sexuality. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jan 1, 2022 |
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Hellioning posted:Naoto is weird because I love her character and probably would choose to date her but the actual things you need to do to date her are weird and strange so I can't. I feel ya  I'm frustrated at how limiting the MC reactions are too for difficult questions. I'm like drat it's complicated and Altus just walked away at the end.
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Jan 1, 2022 22:53
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She's the one with the gun. Why am I protecting her?
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Persona 4 talking a lot about issues related to sexuality while not having a single LGBT character in the cast sucked. Like, I'm not saying there aren't things about the game that are good, but that part really sucks and is a bummer.
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Wasn’t the game originally suppose to have LGBTQ characters but they got re-written for whatever reason? Then again somehow P5 treats LGBTQ characters even worse so it’s not like Altus suddenly got more open. Hopefully they get it together for P6.
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People point to some hidden voice files that potentially indicate Yosuke was at one point a romance, but I'm not sure I buy that it was ever a real possibility and we have no idea what stage of development those lines are even from.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I remember liking Yosuke a lot when I first played the game years ago but watching people play it now it's like, he's just a complete rear end in a top hat to Kanji for basically no reason and it sucks, Yosuke sucks. It's disappointing, because Yosuke has elements of a good character to him. His whole issue with dealing with his murdered crush having disliked him and being an outsider, plus being pretty much the only pre-Naoto member of the group to actually take things seriously makes him more interesting than at least half of the rest of the main cast. I think I've mentioned this before, but my general opinion about the P4/G social links is that the non-party ones are better than P5 s-links (I remember really liking Saki's brother and the Death lady off the top of my head), but the party s-links are generally really bad.
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