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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Republicans aren't born irredeemable monsters like orcs, no, they're class enemies. They believe the things they do because they want to secure their social position & privileges. That's why Democrats and Republicans are constantly competing over what is basically the same kind of voter: the white middle class that has enough money to donate and enough time to vote. Do you happen to know if the Republicans have the same backstop in their party Constitution the democrats have that would allow them to ignore the results of the primaries and just nominate whoever they want instead? It's possible the way forward is through mutating the strasserist talking points into more rational Marxist Leninist stuff jazzed up for the current climate.
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cagliostr0 posted:This kind of thinking about Republican voters is as much a losing proposition long term as any McKinley and co Ghoul the Dems put up. They are people who look at society as they experience it and think 'why are murders and robberies so high in Democrat cities? Why are democrats telling me I have no place in deciding how my child is educated? Why are democrats telling me I'm an idiot for thinking there is a logistics problem when the shelves are so bare every time I go to buy some Reese's pieces?' and people respond with 'you are dumb and spiteful for being concerned primarily with the well-being of your family instead of some nebulous purple haired female Saudi uber driver'. As long as you keep stating an entire voting cadre are irredeemable scum and gradually pull the classic splitter trick and drive off people on your side while your opponents openly welcome anybody willing to cross the aisle your base will shrink until it becomes nonviable. Unless by "working class" you mean "racist white guy who owns 3 car dealerships." Because that's what CNN and Fox mean. The most reliable indicator of voting Trump is being white. These motherfuckers don't give two shits about their families, their schools or Reese's Pieces. They feel aggrieved because they feel that negroes aren't being murdered enough by the cops. The average person-who-votes is a middle or upper middle class white bigot who is almost never materially impacted by the results of their vote. Anti-vax Trump voters are unthinking cretins and any political analysis that doesn't start from that point is worthless.
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Orbis Tertius posted:the CDC / Delta thing utterly broke my parents brains, apparently. Biden administration is being “criminally negligent”. I'm envious. The extent of my parents' opinions on this stuff is "thinking Republicans are stupid/bad for not getting vaxxed." I've generally gotten the impression that the "cheat code" liberals are using to ignore the massive death toll is "it doesn't matter since they all deserve it for not getting vaxxed." The idea of having opinions that don't just revolve around "Republicans being bad" is basically completely foreign to them, and I imagine that's the case for most liberals, so you're lucky that yours are even thinking about this stuff independently, even if they'll revert to normal in the end and continue voting Dem. There might be some regional element. I don't know where your parents live, but my parents and I live in the South, so focusing on Republicans constantly at least makes more sense here (since you're more likely to encounter them in your day to day life - like my mom encountering Christian parents who would get angry at her for reading a book that involve magic or something).
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I wish people would stop describing right wing welfare as Strasserist.cagliostr0 posted:Do you happen to know if the Republicans have the same backstop in their party Constitution the democrats have that would allow them to ignore the results of the primaries and just nominate whoever they want instead? It's possible the way forward is through mutating the strasserist talking points into more rational Marxist Leninist stuff jazzed up for the current climate. There's no trick to politics or rhetoric that can get people to suddenly see things your way.
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cagliostr0 posted:Do you happen to know if the Republicans have the same backstop in their party Constitution the democrats have that would allow them to ignore the results of the primaries and just nominate whoever they want instead? It's possible the way forward is through mutating the strasserist talking points into more rational Marxist Leninist stuff jazzed up for the current climate. What the gently caress is this
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What it really gets down to is that the only difference between the two parties is culture war bullshit, and the Dems have made it clear they aren't even willing to protect any of that at this point. Voting for the Democrats doesn't even protect abortion anymore, so why should anyone bother voting for them? Abortion's been eroded away over the decades and is de facto illegal for huge swaths of the country no matter what. How long until gay marriage is repealed? The Democrats can't even get their poo poo together enough to let people smoke weed or close Gitmo! Amazon's started causing straight up Triangle Shirtwaist poo poo to start happening and I'm not sure if the Dems have even acknowledged it. Like, I genuinely don't know what their agenda is at this point because they don't seem to be committed to doing anything other than telling people that Donald Trump is bad and that doesn't even get into the complete destruction of every institution in this country. Even if a bunch of well-intentioned Democrats rode an ahistorical blue wave into 70 dems in the Senate and Joe Biden's heart grew 3 sizes I don't know that they'd be able to actually get anything done considering SCOTUS and the absolute loving mutants that make up our federal judges and the nightmare that is our state and local governments. I come from North Carolina, a state that was recently ruled to have one of the worst cases of gerrymandering in the country, to the point that it was ordered to redraw its districts. Do you know what happened? The Republican general assembly made the smallest adjustment they could and got the Democrats in the assembly to sign off on it, because they would continue to have safe seats that would make it easy for them to stay in power, do nothing, and fundraise. You can't vote your way out of that, especially with the usual vote suppressing horseshit that goes on across the entire South (and, more recently, everywhere else).
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Republicans aren't born irredeemable monsters like orcs No, they just prefer to have the irredeemable orcs on their side for some odd reason
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Democrats are equally class enemies to Republicans. What’s this nonesense that they are unique in being bad for the American worker? Also the Republicans do not have backstops in their party constitution compared to how the demon rats had their super delegates to stop a Socual Democrat like Bernie taking over. They probably would have thrown 2016 if they had super delegates considering how many of the bigwigs hated Trump. But unlike the democrats they didn’t have super delegates to do this. Seriously watching people act like the Republicans are unique in their shittiness is just watching people convince themselves to vote dem in 2022 and 2024. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 15:00 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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Cannibal Llama posted:What the gently caress is this It's called trying to find a path to a leftist government. The democrats have designed their party in such a way as to be impervious to grass roots uprisings taking control and redirecting policy. If the Republicans don't have those safe guards then branch stacking will allow ground up seizure of the party. The only problem is finding a way to sell it to the voting base. Non voters are a huge cadre but short of doing something intelligent like making election Day a public holiday and dramatically increasing polling stations you aren't going to get them to vote. The material conditions are just too bad for the majority of Americans to be able to afford a luxury like voting.
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DoubleDonut posted:What it really gets down to is that the only difference between the two parties is culture war bullshit, and the Dems have made it clear they aren't even willing to protect any of that at this point. Voting for the Democrats doesn't even protect abortion anymore, so why should anyone bother voting for them? A good post.
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DoubleDonut posted:What it really gets down to is that the only difference between the two parties is culture war bullshit, and the Dems have made it clear they aren't even willing to protect any of that at this point. Voting for the Democrats doesn't even protect abortion anymore, so why should anyone bother voting for them?
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cagliostr0 posted:It's called trying to find a path to a leftist government. The democrats have designed their party in such a way as to be impervious to grass roots uprisings taking control and redirecting policy. If the Republicans don't have those safe guards then branch stacking will allow ground up seizure of the party. The only problem is finding a way to sell it to the voting base. do you really, honestly and truly, see a path for a better future through the republican party after observing them over the last whatever period of years they do not have those safeguards and it led to trump, a clown who happily obeyed everything his party owners made him do if you're going to address material conditions the most you can say is that having a richard II idiot king in charge is more likely to make idiots do what they tell them to, and hope that they whoops into doing good things by accident, and also that the screeching liberal base might accidentally point in the right direction if you look at the trump presidency and the republican donor base I really don't see how you can come to a conclusion that they're any better than the democrats, the fact that democrats want a strong republican party to be friends with should be your clue that they are unequivocally not the answer
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the republican party is exactly as captured by capital as the democratic party (which is to say: 100%) and thinking you're going to ~sneak in~ socialism into the party of some of the most powerful capitalists in world history is a loving pipe dream that betrays the lib delusion that you're a supreme brain genius politics knower standing astride history figuring out how to get all the pathetic little worms to do what you want through One Weird Trick. gently caress off.
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Cannibal Llama posted:What the gently caress is this To beat the nazis you have to become the nazis?
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:the republican party is exactly as captured by capital as the democratic party (which is to say: 100%) and thinking you're going to ~sneak in~ socialism into the party of some of the most powerful capitalists in world history is a loving pipe dream that betrays the lib delusion that you're a supreme brain genius politics knower standing astride history figuring out how to get all the pathetic little worms to do what you want through One Weird Trick. gently caress off. Worms!!!
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Nothus posted:To beat the nazis you have to become the nazis? Pentecoastal Elites posted:the republican party is exactly as captured by capital as the democratic party (which is to say: 100%) and thinking you're going to ~sneak in~ socialism into the party of some of the most powerful capitalists in world history is a loving pipe dream that betrays the lib delusion that you're a supreme brain genius politics knower standing astride history figuring out how to get all the pathetic little worms to do what you want through One Weird Trick. gently caress off. To beat the worms you have to become a worm.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:the republican party is exactly as captured by capital as the democratic party (which is to say: 100%) and thinking you're going to ~sneak in~ socialism into the party of some of the most powerful capitalists in world history is a loving pipe dream that betrays the lib delusion that you're a supreme brain genius politics knower standing astride history figuring out how to get all the pathetic little worms to do what you want through One Weird Trick. gently caress off. yeah this, and thinking you can waltz into a GOP party meeting and start pushing for leftist economic policy is more likely to get you literally shot
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I think you guys are being a bit mean to the poor poster who has only reached the Bargain stage of all this. soon they will understand the true nature of 
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petit choux posted:To beat the worms you have to become a worm. Many stories and legends speak of people combining their strengths and or obtaining power equal to the existential threat that is driving the plot, most recently in the Japanese story Shingeki no Kyojin-- in order to defeat the capitalist, one must be
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petit choux posted:To beat the worms you have to become a worm. 
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Haliburton CFO A'leGrath of the Unspeakable Curse, pictured here letting their hair down after a recent board meeting
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ikanreed posted:The real disaster is that the democrats will still exist after 2022
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I don't think anyone here is under the delusion that the dems getting wiped will result in any change aside from the continued deterioration of life in America. It will be cathartic though. Lmao
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There's way too many words on this page, they all boil down to "the democrats are going to get destroyed in 2022" so just say that in the first place
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Mayor Dave posted:There's way too many words on this page, they all boil down to "the democrats are going to get destroyed in 2022" so just say that in the first place To be fair, some of the words were "Why don't we convince republicans that they're actually Marxist-Leninists?"
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the republican party manifests democratic centralism in that they fall in line behind whoever wins and ruthlessly purge anyone who doesn't fall in line while the democrats backstab each other and sabotage their own agenda for personal gain, then turn around and beg voters to reelect the backstabbers and saboteurs
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petit choux posted:To beat the worms you have to become a worm. No dune spoilers
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1475613381583327238?s=20 Lol at the same time https://twitter.com/smh/status/1447278579130281988 We'll see how that goes
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vyelkin posted:the republican party manifests democratic centralism in that they fall in line behind whoever wins and ruthlessly purge anyone who doesn't fall in line while the democrats backstab each other and sabotage their own agenda for personal gain, then turn around and beg voters to reelect the backstabbers and saboteurs well the market will only support a limited number of career politicians and all these pols have baby pols to support and lots of young pols to put through the most expensive universities in the country, this is what happens after a few generations. It's like with fruit flies.
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Ytlaya posted:I'm envious. The extent of my parents' opinions on this stuff is "thinking Republicans are stupid/bad for not getting vaxxed." I've generally gotten the impression that the "cheat code" liberals are using to ignore the massive death toll is "it doesn't matter since they all deserve it for not getting vaxxed." The idea of having opinions that don't just revolve around "Republicans being bad" is basically completely foreign to them, and I imagine that's the case for most liberals, so you're lucky that yours are even thinking about this stuff independently, even if they'll revert to normal in the end and continue voting Dem. we’re in the south too. also very much about Team Sports aspect - they watch MSNBC every night where it’s the Good Guy Democrats vs Evil Republicans, real asinine poo poo. very invested in that. The CDC thing and how’s it pretty clear the admin is prioritizing the economy over people’s safety was a sharp enough contrast to cause a break, apparently. I seriously doubt they’d going to reject electoral politics because of it, though. I could maybe see a protest non-vote. given how susceptible they are to liberal messaging it’s probably just a matter of time till they’re back on team Dem.
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HD DAD posted:Democrats will get steamrolled and they’ll all shrug and go “oh well https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1455968647286034439?s=20
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Jay-V posted:would be funny to see what this would do to khive Khive becoming the HillaryIs44 of this decade would be pretty funny
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