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Not only is Brees the only QB to throw for 5,000 yards in a season more than once, but he did it five times. Dude's a first ballot Hall of Famer, no question.
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sweet geek swag posted:Lol if Adam Gase gets a third Head Coaching gig. Lol he ever got one after being a bears OC
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Rodgers is as godlike a QB you could ask for and has only one SB win. It takes having a good team alongside having a good QB. The Vikings defence lost a lot of players two offseasons ago and have been slapped sideways with the injury bug since then. The offensive line has been an issue for a long time but there are some promising players there now. Whether this is a Speilman issue or a Zimmer issue or bad luck the defense fell apart as the offense began to look decent. The irony is that if Cook's fumble in game one wasn't called a fumble and if the FG in game two goes straight the team would be on track for a playoff game and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Not only is Brees the only QB to throw for 5,000 yards in a season more than once, but he did it five times. Dude's a first ballot Hall of Famer, no question. is this a debate anywhere because lol
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Maybe if this was baseball because the voters are insufferably smug
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I'm pretty sure Baseball would take it as a matter of pride if they voted no one in
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a neat cape posted:is this a debate anywhere because lol The bucs fan is trolling and managed to get a few nibbles
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really queer Christmas posted:The bucs fan is trolling and managed to get a few nibbles Yeah, he's definitely a first ballot guy but he did A LOT of stat padding much like Cousins.
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wandler20 posted:Yeah, he's definitely a first ballot guy but he did A LOT of stat padding much like Cousins. He had a run of 7-9 seasons in which the Saints defense was so absolutely putrid the only way the Saints won games was by Brees just absolutely balling out. In 4 of those 5 seasons he led the league in passing and the season he didn't he still threw over 5,000 yards.
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wandler20 posted:Yeah, he's definitely a first ballot guy but he did A LOT of stat padding much like Cousins. Stats are good though One could say Ladainian Tomlinson's entire career was stat padding because he never won a title. He was still really good.
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Cousins seems like he's in the weird Schrodinger's window where he's both underrated and overrated at the same time. Most of the criticism of him seems to be spurious poo poo about how he isn't clutch or whatever, but he's pretty decidedly mediocre and a lot of the Vikings problems arise from his mediocrity.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Brees has 5 all pros and 2 OPY's to his name as well. They are not comparable So does "clutchness" matter or do stats matter. Can't have it both ways.
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Cavauro posted:the object of football is to score as many points as you can without accruing any "statistics" Wrong, all that matters is winning the game. Ideally, your team goes perfect due to an unending string of opponent forfeits
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Cavauro posted:if you like mainstream stuff, sure. no problem. The billboard hot 100 of stats
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1477604087952777217 Some quick Cliffnotes from the article: -- Nagy is a goner, like we all expected -- Fangio is "up in the air" and likely needs a playoff push to stay -- Culley is safe with the Texans clearly overachieving -- Rapsheet says Rhule might get another year, but as we've seen in this thread before, the national media and local people on the ground are hearing very different things about the state of the Panthers organization. I truly don't know what's going to happen there. -- Zimmer will probably be gone if he doesn't make the playoffs -- Raiders haven't really started a coaching search yet, likely due to them still hanging on in the playoff race. The Jaguars interviewed Doug Pederson and will have a Zoom meeting with Todd Bowles this week. Remember, this is the first year that teams are allowed to interview assistant coaches before the season ends, so it'll be interesting to see who jumps ahead and who decides to wait. Dan Quinn and Nathaniel Hackett have already said that they'll wait out their teams' seasons before taking interviews. -- Campbell and Saleh aren't in danger despite terrible first years.
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I think Rhule is all but done, whether it's this season or next the writing is on the wall. The only thing that probably saves him is Watson coming in, but even then the expectation of winning is going to be immediate because Tepper just went and gave him a top level QB so there aren't any more excuses
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BlindSite posted:TFF undervalues Cousins a whole lot more than I would think the rest of the NFL does. I don't think he's the kind of guy to engineer a game winning come back of a superbowl but the guy consistently throws for over 4000 yards, and has an almost four to one TD to INT ratio in his time in Minnesota. Yeah he's weird, has a weird head and has the knock of losing big games but his production and record is really good. I've been sort of a Cousins defender for the last few years. His stats have mostly been good, but this year has really shown me how hollow that is. He has constant problems with accuracy and floats up passes that get receivers blown up at the line of scrimmage play after play. The Vikings have really great receivers who can bail him out (the same thing people had said about Case Keenum before they brought in Cousins) but at this point he's just going to get them hurt. Their pass blocking is actually quite good this year so he can't blame the offensive line like he could in the past. He just sorta sucks! I think you're right that he's just good enough that some other team will probably want to take his contract on, though.
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Good point about his receivers. Diggs hated him and wanted to get away from him. Thielen hates him. Haven’t heard anything about Jefferson. But if Kirk was  good, I don’t think he’d be hated by his own receivers the way he is.
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Kirk has a high floor/low ceiling. He has no extra gear that has yet to be unlocked due to coaching or the situation around him. WYSIWYG. I think his most damning issue is his complete lack of leadership. He doesn't rally the team. He doesn't push. He doesn't will his way to anything meaningful. He approaches the job like someone that is an assistant manager at a Walgreens. Vikings tried, it didn't work out. I'd love someone else to eat (most) his cap hit next year. I really don't think Zimmer is coming back either. Vikings are not making the playoffs. They'd have to get to an NFCCG for Zimmer to look anywhere near competent.
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Kirk Cousin has always been mediocre. I'm not sure what other people have seen. He's like Tony Romo. Stats might look good on paper but he'd be like the 15th QB in the league I'd take right now.
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SirPablo posted:Kirk has a high floor/low ceiling. He has no extra gear that has yet to be unlocked due to coaching or the situation around him. WYSIWYG. I think his most damning issue is his complete lack of leadership. He doesn't rally the team. He doesn't push. He doesn't will his way to anything meaningful. He approaches the job like someone that is an assistant manager at a Walgreens. Vikings tried, it didn't work out. I'd love someone else to eat (most) his cap hit next year.. You spend a lot of time hanging out with those guys personally, huh? That’s really cool
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DariusLikewise posted:Doug Pederson to the Raiders makes a lot sense so Mark Davis is going to bring back Monty Kiffin or something
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boop the snoot posted:Kirk Cousin has always been mediocre. I'm not sure what other people have seen. He's like Tony Romo. Stats might look good on paper but he'd be like the 15th QB in the league I'd take right now. 15th best QB in the NFL isn’t mediocre though. That’s an almost completely irreplaceable commodity.
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DeimosRising posted:You spend a lot of time hanging out with those guys personally, huh? That’s really cool Calm down Kirk
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DariusLikewise posted:Doug Pederson to the Raiders makes a lot sense so Mark Davis is going to bring back Hue Jackson or something
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YOLOsubmarine posted:15th best QB in the NFL isn’t mediocre though. That’s an almost completely irreplaceable commodity. If your ceiling expectation is a first round exit* from the playoffs, if you manage to get there. The 15th best QB isn't engineering any postseason success. *I will call myself out on him getting to the second round. Two years ago. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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boop the snoot posted:If your ceiling expectation is a first round exit* from the playoffs, if you manage to get there. Worse QBs have won super bowls. Like Trent Dilfer and Tom Brady. Football is a team sport with high variance.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Worse QBs have won super bowls. Like Trent Dilfer and Tom Brady. Comparing Kirk Cousins to Trent Dilfer is definitely how you prove that Cousins isn't mediocre.
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boop the snoot posted:Comparing Kirk Cousins to Trent Dilfer is definitely how you prove that Cousins isn't mediocre. Yeah, Brad Johnson is the comparison.
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boop the snoot posted:Kirk Cousin has always been mediocre. I'm not sure what other people have seen. He's like Tony Romo. Stats might look good on paper but he'd be like the 15th QB in the league I'd take right now. Shut your drat mouth, Romo was MUCH better than Cousins. Romo was also the anti-cousins, he was a top tier just having fun out there guy. Cousins looks like he's working through some particularly dull spreadsheets at all times
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Stop arguing about Kirk Cousins and laugh at the Jags some more https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/1477720070939975680
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boop the snoot posted:If your ceiling expectation is a first round exit* from the playoffs, if you manage to get there. Who are they going to replace him with that will get them a Super Bowl? Are any of the 14 QBs that are better than him available to the Vikings? Joe Flacco and Nick Foles won super bowls recently. If you’re not a team with one of the 5 best QBs in the league you’re in the same boat as the Vikings just hoping everything comes together at the right time. Since 2000 there have only been 8 Super Bowls won by someone who wasn’t Tom Brady, a Manning, or Roethlisberger, and half of those were won by “mediocre” QBs. So I guess the Vikings just need to bide their time until Arch Manning declares in 3 years.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Who are they going to replace him with that will get them a Super Bowl? Are any of the 14 QBs that are better than him available to the Vikings? mediocre qb's shouldn't be eating up the salary that could pay for 2-3 good-great players.
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