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SuperMechagodzilla posted:What nobody seems to have noted is that the ‘resurrection’ thing is an extension of Cloud Atlas. The film presents a fairly straightforward depiction of Otherkin religious belief. Interesting read. Morpheus of course is literally pulled out of the fictional game also. Actually from a sub matrix in the matrix game. And of course bugs just quoting bugs bunny. But in their reborn forms, the new neo seems weaker than his legend with trinity becoming stronger. Maybe she got stronger dlc in the game.
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Shiroc posted:[...] Sincere personal experiences as a trans woman would be completely illegible to the audience unless they fit into the expected tropes. Ending up with an epilogue love story to give Neo and Trinity a happier ending gets called fascist because it doesn't provide an acceptable resolution to mechanocapitalism. Qualia fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jan 3, 2022 |
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https://screenrant.com/matrix-4-resurrections-cast-story-confused-response/quote:While speaking with EW's Around the Table, the new Matrix cast members admitted that they had trouble understanding their characters during off-set conversations with Lana Wachowski. Turns out writing a script based on a stress dream doesn’t result in your best work. This, combined with telling actors to just improvise the action sequences, clearly shows Lana simply cared more about her personal vendetta against wb or is incompetent.
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Nuts and Gum posted:Turns out writing a script based on a stress dream doesn’t result in your best work. This, combined with telling actors to just improvise the action sequences, clearly shows Lana simply cared more about her personal vendetta against wb or is incompetent. Clearly!
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Nuts and Gum posted:https://screenrant.com/matrix-4-resurrections-cast-story-confused-response/ You say this like it didn’t work and wasn’t good, when it clearly was?
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ImpAtom posted:I also admit that any time I think of the last movie I think about the Pointless Waste of Time joke about how the mecha suits make sure to leave humanity's most power weapon available: their fierce biting teeth. Whoa I was just thinking about this a few days ago.
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Well say what you will about the process and the movie but all the performances were good so on that front it kinda did work?
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Imagine having a hundred million dollars, great cast, guaranteed audience, and going back to the franchise that made your career. Having no clear vision and telling the cast to wing it seems like the right move, ya? I'm wondering if Lilly is just the more professional filmmaker. Does anyone think this film benefited from her not being around to focus Lana's woo energy?
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checkplease posted:Interesting read. Morpheus of course is literally pulled out of the fictional game also. Actually from a sub matrix in the matrix game. And of course bugs just quoting bugs bunny. Also the random scene with the vampires and werewolves. “The therian and vampire subcultures are related to the otherkin community, and are considered part of it by most otherkin, but are culturally and historically distinct movements of their own, despite some overlap in membership.”
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What a bummer that a month ago I was thinking "A new Matrix!" and now I'm thinking "At least the bohemians had fun on the Man's dime for a year."
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But would it have been a better movie if Lana wasn't involved at all?
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Archer666 posted:But would it have been a better movie if Lana wasn't involved at all? Don't worry about the vase.
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Archer666 posted:But would it have been a better movie if Lana wasn't involved at all? Maybe. Probably not. Maybe it'll be like the Prequels and WB will release a really boring soft-reboot in a few years and a proliferation of "At least Lana was an auteur and not a paint-by-numbers hack," will rehabilitate it, although this movie is pretty forgettable and not Lucas's grandiose mess. I'm also infected with a "It should have been a miniseries!" mind virus ever since the Sopranos prequel. Hopefully we get more stories in the Matrix universe, though.
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Archer666 posted:But would it have been a better movie if Lana wasn't involved at all? a better movie, yes. a better Matrix movie? ehhhhhhh probably not really.
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ram dass in hell posted:Yes, because the movie was better than Revolutions Ouch. That's true, I didn't realise they'd worked together there. What the hell happened between the original and Revolutions? Was there just more studio oversight? Archer666 posted:But would it have been a better movie if Lana wasn't involved at all? I think, probably yes. There's an inexhaustible supply up-and-coming hungry filmmakers. Applying the film's theme of choosing between "miserable safety" vs "aspirational unknown" would suggest WB was playing it safe with the franchise and Lana vs transcending into anything great. I wonder if she was aware of the thematic disconnect; Lana is trying to fit a message that boring and safe is bad into a boring film that she was the safe choice to direct. Ressurections takes no real chances, delivers a whole lot of Matrix, and feels like a film full of contempt for itself. There's so much passive aggressive weirdness and jabs at WB in the script that you have to wonder if she sandbagged the film, intentional or not. It's like she was punishing WB for sticking with her instead of bringing on someone determined to make IV the best loving Matrix movie.
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Archer666 posted:But would it have been a better movie if Lana wasn't involved at all? There's a huge amount of space between "not involved at all" and "recreates the fuckin' Moulin Rouge out of WB's money while New Age-mumbling through a low-effort directing gig".
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They did a Matrix 4 without Lana Wachowski and called it Free Guy, so it was more of a lateral move.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Also the random scene with the vampires and werewolves. Well that was an unfortunate google search
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Archer666 posted:But would it have been a better movie if Lana wasn't involved at all? Maybe. I mean, there are filmmakers out there who probably genuinely love the Matrix and have ideas that they've dreamed up for what they would do with the film. Maybe they're bad ideas, maybe they're good ones. But we'll never know.
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I’m on the side of loving this film , so I am glad Lana was at the helm. It feels very much like wachowski films while trying some new things, which is what I wanted. I wonder about more matrix stuff. Obviously getting a video game, but it doesn’t seem like Lana would make another matrix. I guess animatrix 2. And wouldn’t be surprised for some matrix tv show. Hopefully more speed racer from Lana though…
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The Animatrix 2, but it's all live action
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RBA Starblade posted:I bet the whole pill thing sucks if you're colorblind I don't believe you can be red-blue colorblind. I just realized that this movie is just Last Action Hero but made from fecal matter. Starting off as a meta comedy that turns into an action film, but instead of embracing the farce it tries to make a hard turn and be a serious action film. Last Action Hero owns so much, time to watch it again.
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The Animatrix 2 will actually be about furries, it's the Animal Matrix
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sigher posted:I don't believe you can be red-blue colorblind. That opinion is half good and half fecal matter
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sigher posted:I don't believe you can be red-blue colorblind. You plugged the love of my life into another Matrix, biiiiig mistake. CelticPredator posted:That opinion is half good and half fecal matter Nitpicks aside I really did love this flick and am happy it got made.
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Neo Rasa posted:You plugged the love of my life into another Matrix, biiiiig mistake. They should have dredged up McTiernan from whatever hovel he's living in for The Matrix 4. He could have done this right.
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Lana already did it correctly. I dunno about bringing up Last action hero though. I havent seen it in years, but theres a lot of Arnold films I would want to watch before that.
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It's great, it's a giant piss take. The best part of it is Angry Again was written for the film (and barely used, lol) but it has one of Marty Freidman's best solos during his time with Megadeth so I thank it for that.
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I'd like to see a Matrix VR game if nothing else. The closest we have now are Superhot and Pistol Whip, maybe moments in Blade & Sorcery when you slow down time and grab dude's swords and hit them in the face with their own swords. And the only good Matrix game to date has been Max Payne with the Matrix mods.
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There are really two different types of “actually-good Matrix 4”. On the one hand, you have movies that actually continue with the themes and aesthetics of the trilogy. Zack Snyder’s Man Of Steel is probably the clearest example. On the other hand, you have movies that better accomplish what Wachowski seems to have been going for, like Sidney Lumet’s shockingly-unhip 1978 black liberation musical The Wiz.
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Morpheus: Howdy, stranger! This is Morpheus. If things have gone wrong, I'm talking to myself and you aren't trapped in a modal anymore. Now, whatever your name is, get ready for the big surprise. You are not you, you're me. Agent Smith: [to himself] No poo poo.
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King Vidiot posted:I'd like to see a Matrix VR game if nothing else. The closest we have now are Superhot and Pistol Whip, maybe moments in Blade & Sorcery when you slow down time and grab dude's swords and hit them in the face with their own swords. Saints Row 4 was one giant Matrix reference, though FEAR's the one with the bullet time mechanics and debris flying off the walls.
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So is this worth watching at all? It's obviously not great but then neither was Reloaded and I enjoyed it enough for the dumb fights and chase to make it not a complete waste of time.
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mobby_6kl posted:So is this worth watching at all? It's obviously not great but then neither was Reloaded and I enjoyed it enough for the dumb fights and chase to make it not a complete waste of time. It's an experience, there's things to like about it, and things that will make you cringe, and plenty to argue about if you're into that. It's less of a waste of time than a lot of forgettable 2021 films.
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unlimited shrimp posted:Morpheus: Howdy, stranger! This is Morpheus. If things have gone wrong, I'm talking to myself and you aren't trapped in a modal anymore. Now, whatever your name is, get ready for the big surprise. You are not you, you're me. Ha. Yeah I can see the total recall influence. I guess the matrix always takes one side where as recall always tried to leave the true world more ambivalent.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There are really two different types of “actually-good Matrix 4”. I haven't watched the Wiz, but whats the Man of Steel connection?
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mobby_6kl posted:So is this worth watching at all? It's obviously not great but then neither was Reloaded and I enjoyed it enough for the dumb fights and chase to make it not a complete waste of time.
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