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Vookatos posted:Honestly, the fact that out of all people who answered me regarding best/worst games none place 2 as the worst shocks me. I think that has a lot to do with the large gulf in quality between 2's different cases? A lot of people really like 2-4, and are willing to overlook the quality of some of the game's other cases because of it. People who didn't think much of 2-4 are much more likely to consign the game to last place. Personally I'd place it second to last, because I was just so disappointed by 4.
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GAA1 is easily one of the best in the series. I find it strange if the community considers it only "decent". Still it's odd to single it out since GAA1 and GAA2 are basically one big game to me (like Trails in the Sky). Yes I realize there was a two year delay in Japan, but not elsewhere. Still playing GAA2 and I love it.
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AJ’s 3rd case is always going to stick out to me for having Apollo point out that the entire premise of the prosecution’s case is wildly implausible, Klavier actually agreeing with that assessment, and then spends the rest of the trial going full steam ahead while basically never acknowledging that little conundrum again. And the tape, of course.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Yes I realize there was a two year delay in Japan, but not elsewhere. For a lot of people there was a similar wait for the English version too; the fan translation of GAA1 came out in early 2019, and at the time no-one really believed it would ever be officially localised so a lot of people just played that. GAA2 wasn't fully playable in English until two years later.
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2-4 is my favorite case in the series and 2-2 is good if not great so no I don't put JFA at the bottom.
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Vookatos posted:Honestly, the fact that out of all people who answered me regarding best/worst games none place 2 as the worst shocks me. You said you never did 2-4, IIRC? JFA has one atrocious case, one whatever tutorial, and one good case, and then at the end has what's commonly considered to be in the top, if not the top, case by a lot of players. Yes, really, that one case saves the game that much. The other contenders for worst game in the series have the problem of also having circus tier cases without having 2-4 to make up for it. EDIT: To elaborate on 2-4: the best AA cases (and games) tend to hit one of two buttons. Either they've got amazing plot and mysteries, or they're telling really gripping character stories. Of course, every case tries to hit both of those, but some focus more on one or the other (it's my personal theory that players are generally more interested in one or the other and that accounts for much of the divide in game preferences, but I digress). And, of course, not every case manages to hit both well: 2-3 being the most infamous in this regard. 2-4 is one of those that manages to land both directions: the actual mystery involved is intricate and engaging to figure out, as well as showing multiple characters at their absolute best. Rosalie_A fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jan 3, 2022 |
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Jan 3, 2022 15:23
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I like 2-3. I just think the investigation sections kind of suck.
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Jan 3, 2022 15:25
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There are no circus-tier cases. There's the circus case, then the tiers start above that I will play guitar's serenade on a loop for six hours before I cross examine Moe again
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Youtube just reminded me about this incredible scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rxANrvCj-8
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My only problem with big top is Regina should be at least five years older than she is. I thought cross examining moe was funny at the time
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hatty posted:My only problem with big top is Regina should be at least five years older than she is. I thought cross examining moe was funny at the time Moe is a good cross examination because it's one of the best "the weird thing the witness claims to have seen really happened" bits in the series along with Larry in 3-5, and breaking up the "just hit press on everything" rhythm on occasion is good
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Yeah, I think the circus case would be noticeably better if an entire trial day was not dedicated to a love triangle of pedophiles.
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hatty posted:My only problem with big top is Regina should be at least five years older than she is. I thought cross examining moe was funny at the time Moe did nothing wrong. Puns are great and if anything I was mad at the judge for penalizing me for wanting to hear more of his puns.
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I actually think 3-3 is a worse version of 2-3 cross-examination and trial-wise but it has some of the most memorable investigation segments (mainly everything at the loan shark office) so it has a better reputation.
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Speaking of case 3s, I just replayed Spirit of Justice's Case 3 and was pretty blown away. I don't remember being impacted nearly as much by the resolution the first time I played. Fantastic case.
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Jan 3, 2022 18:46
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Spirit of Justice is the only game in the series I haven’t played. How much am I missing out?
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It's a pretty good game. The raising of the stakes gets pretty absurd but there's some very good cases and they bring back two of the best characters in the series. If you can stomach probably the least interesting prosecutor in the series it's definitely worth playing.
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Klavier isn't* in Spirit of Justice  But  , Nayuta does not light the plot on fire to say the least.*He actually has a cameo appearance IIRC
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The thing that always struck me and my opinions as the central dichotomy of Ace Attorney case structures isn't any particular tendency towards or away from character drama but simply that there seems to me to be some cases that stake everything on a single motherfucker-grade twist that the game delights in hiding right under your nose the whole time and you figure it out at the exact moment the game wants you to has it hits like a train full of trucks, and some cases that just shotgun a lot of smaller twists at you, and stake the tension on there being so many goddamn plates in the air that even though you can and will call several of them in advance, you won't get all of them, and you won't piece the whole thing together until just before the end. In particular, GAA I found to be a nice instructive example of this, because G1-5 is the former and G2-5 is the latter.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Spirit of Justice is the only game in the series I haven’t played. How much am I missing out? You should play it
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punk rebel ecks posted:Spirit of Justice is the only game in the series I haven’t played. How much am I missing out?
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That's good to hear. Should I get the iOS port or wait and see if Capcom does a "Apollo Justice - Ace Attorney Adventures" collection port for Switch/Steam?
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According to leaked files last year, a 456 collection is in development for an unspecified time frame.
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SoJ is far from my favorites, but it has some real good highlights and is way better than Dual Destinies.
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SOJ made me cry. It had my bawling like a dang baby. It's good.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:SoJ is far from my favorites, but it has some real good highlights and is way better than Dual Destinies. Amppelix posted:it's an ace attorney game and it's better than DD so there's literally no reason not to play it if you like ace attorney games Crazy the things you read on the internet these days
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please, do elaborate, i love opinions
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Spirit of justice is my least favourite game in the whole series. The gimmick is cool, but it comes out of nowhere and retcons a bunch of long-established things in the series which is never good storytelling. The prosecutor is awful and has barely any story arc, and instead of finishing Apollo's story that was being set up in 4, it pulls a new one out of its rear end Dual destinies on the other hand is great! Love the story, love the prosecutor, I really wanted to see more Athena and the lack thereof is one of spirit of justice's many crimes, and it has a case set in a tiny Japanese village where all the characters are based on yokai and they solve disputes with pro wrestling, how is that not in everybody's list of best cases in the series??
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sure, they came up with a third new backstory for apollo but who cares about that when they actually did it well this time and apollo gets a bunch of great character moments from it the mysteries are good and the character writing is good (besides nahyuta but i guess you can't have everything) so that's why i like SoJ. DD regularly flounders on at least one of these fronts.
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SoJ is chock full of really good and satisfying mysteries. That is why it is one of my favorites.
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SoJ is bad only by reason of things that are not in SoJ, and, like, I can respect the line of thought that it's important to maintain continuity of ideas and close out series arcs properly but also those things are magnificently, viscerally ignorable, unlike the only problem actually in the game, which is the prosecutor, who is largely inoffensive on account of not raising any strong feeling of any kind
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I’m just want Phoenix to retire, what else can he accomplish at this point?
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Spirit of Justice has an actual villain and they didn't just give up on writing one.
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Apollo's new and kind of insane backstory is cool and good and I can't wait for AA7's new and insane backstory for Athena.
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Apollo has three backstories and poor Athena has been playable in like three and a half cases in two games.
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All AA games going forwards should have a new and entirely unrelated Apollo backstory.
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The more magic an ace attorney game has, the better it is.
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you're slightly wrong but i see where you made the mistake. here's the correct phrasing: the more magicians (or people akin to magicians like mediums) a game has the better it is. magic usage optional. E: by this metric we can finally determine that objectively, great ace attorney adventures is the worst ace attorney game
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Shameful erase of GAA case 2-3 going on here
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i said adventures!! i did not forget my good friend criminal magician juror
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