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How worth is Bannerlord over Warband? Fired up Warband again the other day and am wondering whether it's worth splashing out for the new one. Am I right in thinking there are way less mods for Bannerlord compared to the original?
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MikeCrotch posted:How worth is Bannerlord over Warband? Fired up Warband again the other day and am wondering whether it's worth splashing out for the new one. Am I right in thinking there are way less mods for Bannerlord compared to the original? Yes, currently. It's still very fun though!
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Jan 4, 2022 02:22
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Vanilla Bannerlord is much much better than vanilla Warband
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Jan 4, 2022 02:25
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I still prefer Vanilla Warband but mostly because I think I prefer the map. I haven't played since they fixed sieges though, which i'm told will change my mind.
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Jan 4, 2022 02:34
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As someone who played tons of warband, and just recently got back into this, the graphics almost alone make the upgrade worthwhile, but there's definitely lots of excellent quality of life changes, like when you do the tax collector quest for the lord, you can just the message with the cash instead of having to find the guy again. Smithing is kind of fun too, I want to work it so I can make good thematic weapons for myself. Hell, even just getting a nice recurve bow when I joined the Khuzaits was pretty cool.
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Jan 4, 2022 02:39
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Just upgraded to 1.7 and am enjoying the bug where, during siege defence deployment if you position your guys on walls, they appear in a big clump and some fall off and die lol
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Jan 4, 2022 02:39
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MikeCrotch posted:How worth is Bannerlord over Warband? Ardent Communist posted:the graphics almost alone make the upgrade worthwhile I had to uninstall Bannerlord because every time I fired it up, before I knew it, it was 3:00am on a weeknight and I would still be playing.
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Jan 4, 2022 02:53
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MikeCrotch posted:How worth is Bannerlord over Warband? Fired up Warband again the other day and am wondering whether it's worth splashing out for the new one. Am I right in thinking there are way less mods for Bannerlord compared to the original? Bannerlord feels like it's finally nearing the end of EA, it was pretty incomplete when it released but it has made some major progress including the recent 1.7 patch. The vanilla game is better than Warband, there's a few wonky things but if you have a computer that can handle it the bigger battles are fantastic, the graphics are so much better, and there are a ton of smaller improvements. Bannerlord has some good adjustment mods, but it's missing basically all the total conversion mods. It's been maybe half a year since the mod tools were really opened up and there's still some big stuff (like custom model skeletons) missing. Once they're all there, it feels like Bannerlord has even more potential than Warband for modding - I could see things like a full on fantasy adventurer RPG made in Bannerlord. Already there's Bannerlord Online which is an MMO, and I think we're a year or two away from a wave of majorly cool stuff.
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Jan 4, 2022 05:19
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MikeCrotch posted:How worth is Bannerlord over Warband? Fired up Warband again the other day and am wondering whether it's worth splashing out for the new one. Am I right in thinking there are way less mods for Bannerlord compared to the original? At the moment I’ve just stuck with warband mostly. I hadn’t played through a lot of the big warband total conversion mods yet, so I think if you haven’t either it’s work trying prophecies of pendor etc first. That said, vanilla bannerlord >>>> warband, and it’s always very fun. I’m mostly just waiting to play it a bunch until release since I don’t want to get burned out during ea.
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Jan 4, 2022 20:09
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Can anyone explain how to install The Old Realms mod? It doesnt even unrar without errors for me, what a mess.
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Jan 5, 2022 03:55
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If you're like, a freak for warband, then you should probably keep playing that. But if you want a nicer looking "ride horse and chop dudes" simulator, then Bannerlord is fantastic.
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Jan 5, 2022 04:10
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it's me, I'm a freak for warband still waiting on Geko2jo
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Jan 5, 2022 04:16
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Sorting out my screenshots and ran across this classic: The dude that thought he could take us 1 v. 127
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Jan 5, 2022 19:33
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Phlegmish posted:Sorting out my screenshots and ran across this classic: when you have nothing to lose - bluff
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Jan 5, 2022 19:36
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I definitely would have tried to negotiate a truce before that fight. When the odds are so royally skewed and that rear end in a top hat's still so confident you know he's got an ace up his sleeve.
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Jan 5, 2022 19:37
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Phlegmish posted:Sorting out my screenshots and ran across this classic: dont mess with that guy
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Jan 5, 2022 19:37
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altenos channeling big Lasalle energy here
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Jan 5, 2022 19:37
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Are there any heavy infantry that compare to the sturgian heavy axemen? Good armor, solid shields, and some wicked throwing weapons in addition to good axes. I thought oathsworn or legionnaires might match them but the sturgians seem to run over them, and the non-shielded elite infantry just seem too vulnerable to arrow fire to use. They make a nice addition to Fian lines. I think I'm having more fun with some mixed unit types than just all Fians. Also now that I can split my throwing skirmish avalry from my horse archers I might try mixing in some Faris to loop behind an enemy infantry line before charging while I use Khan Guard almost like dragoons. Are the Sturgian nobles just medium cavalry or do they come with some throwing weapons?
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Jan 6, 2022 05:31
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vanilla bannerlord is better but warband has treasured mods like the japan one
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Jan 6, 2022 06:11
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Ravenfood posted:Are the Sturgian nobles just medium cavalry or do they come with some throwing weapons? The Sturgian generals are heavily armoured horse archers, which keeps things interesting. I can't remember what weapons their noble cav have, although they do carry enormous shields. This ensures two dudes on horses are sufficient to tie up all my khuzait ranged cavalry for a distressingly long amount of time unless I babysit them.
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Jan 6, 2022 07:59
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Tree Bucket posted:The Sturgian generals are heavily armoured horse archers, which keeps things interesting. I can't remember what weapons their noble cav have, although they do carry enormous shields. This ensures two dudes on horses are sufficient to tie up all my khuzait ranged cavalry for a distressingly long amount of time unless I babysit them. It's also making me think I should have picked a Sturgian to start since it always felt weird being a Battanian horse archer but the improvement in battlefield command options given by being mounted is just too good. Oh well.
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Jan 6, 2022 08:08
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Gamerofthegame posted:vanilla bannerlord is better but warband has treasured mods like the japan one Thats actually one Bannerlord conversion mod that might see the light of day sometime soon, they've done a lot of work already with a initial beta release planned for the summer and they've apparently got the guy who made the Warband mod on the team
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Jan 6, 2022 08:39
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Phlegmish posted:Sorting out my screenshots and ran across this classic: The two things I genuinely miss from the old Bannerlord betas are the idiot-grinning NPCs in conversations and the extremely chonky melee specialist troops.
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Jan 6, 2022 10:28
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Bring Back Battanian Big Bois
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Jan 6, 2022 11:49
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Flavahbeast posted:Thats actually one Bannerlord conversion mod that might see the light of day sometime soon, they've done a lot of work already with a initial beta release planned for the summer and they've apparently got the guy who made the Warband mod on the team will it have george bush and take on me tho
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Jan 6, 2022 14:00
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Is Bannerlord worth picking up now ot it still feels too early acess?
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Jan 6, 2022 14:33
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it's worth it imo
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Jan 6, 2022 14:37
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Me: Christ mounted units are expensive for upkeep, I need to focus on dismounted infantry. NPC armies: if any man's feet touches the sinful soil then slay him for he is tainted.
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Jan 6, 2022 14:55
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I wish calvary was more effective. Feels like once you hit a few enemies your horse just stops dead. But they are amazing at picking off archers and runners.
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Jan 6, 2022 14:57
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All fian armies are way too strong it kinda makes the other options feel pointless
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Jan 6, 2022 15:16
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Technically, once your fian army is done with them, they're pointfull
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Jan 6, 2022 15:58
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dogstile posted:Technically, once your fian army is done with them, they're pointfull  I wish the crossbow units were just a touch more powerful. Even just a little more ammo would help (it's been a while since I used them so idk if they changed them in the past few months).
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Jan 6, 2022 16:09
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The crossbows kinda struggle with armor's ineffectiveness against ranged weapons in this game. Better to be the fast pew pew. Crossbows kinda struggle to work in games that aren't that realistic- i honestly think they really need to exaggerate the strengths of the weapon- make it powerful, make it penetrate shields and other people.
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Jan 6, 2022 16:22
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Panzeh posted:The crossbows kinda struggle with armor's ineffectiveness against ranged weapons in this game. Better to be the fast pew pew. Crossbows kinda struggle to work in games that aren't that realistic- i honestly think they really need to exaggerate the strengths of the weapon- make it powerful, make it penetrate shields and other people. 100% with you on that. Their downside should be their speed, not power.
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Jan 6, 2022 16:40
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Mesadoram posted:100% with you on that. Their downside should be their speed, not power. It would be interesting to see an economic shift too, higher upgrade costs but lower maintenance cost, since crossbows are more complex than bows but once they are made then anyone with the upper arm strength of a 17 year old serial masturbator could use it.
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Jan 6, 2022 16:49
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CuddleCryptid posted:It would be interesting to see an economic shift too, higher upgrade costs but lower maintenance cost, since crossbows are more complex than bows but once they are made then anyone with the upper arm strength of a 17 year old serial masturbator could use it. yeah, irl the actual downside of the bow is the time to replace a dead bowman. it takes a lifetime of practice to be a skilled archer. hard to represent that in a game like this
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Jan 6, 2022 17:12
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:yeah, irl the actual downside of the bow is the time to replace a dead bowman. it takes a lifetime of practice to be a skilled archer. hard to represent that in a game like this That's not exactly true- crossbowmen were professional soldiers, and their use required plenty of training. Physically, in closer, direct fire ranges where both weapons were fired straight, the crossbow was a much more powerful weapon- and this is the use case of most archery, realistically. The sort of total war/film style firing bows from way downtown was not particularly deadly or accurate against anyone with a modicum of protection. The training was different, but the crossbow wasn't the weapon of the 'peasant', it was the weapon of professionals. Just like the guns that came after them- they had significant advantages at the actual effective ranges. The RBM mod gets bows a lot more correct, but honestly RBM tends to do it in an unfun way, nerfing a lot of weapons by making armor much, much more consequential. I do prefer a more arcady vision in the base game.
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Jan 6, 2022 17:19
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Panzeh posted:That's not exactly true- crossbowmen were professional soldiers, and their use required plenty of training. Physically, in closer, direct fire ranges where both weapons were fired straight, the crossbow was a much more powerful weapon- and this is the use case of most archery, realistically. The sort of total war/film style firing bows from way downtown was not particularly deadly or accurate against anyone with a modicum of protection. it's a simplification but i never said it was a peasants weapon. it was way more expedient and easy to raise a professional force of crossbowmen. like knights, archers needed to be raised from a martial society, and they were a resource that could be depleted. the crossbow had other advantages/disadvantages of course, but the primary reason for their extensive use by the professional army that began to be common place in the late 14th c was that it was easy to train a new recruit in a few months to a year to be effective, whereas an archer needed many years or over a decade to be competitive with martial societies who made it their focus like the english or the mongols
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Jan 6, 2022 17:23
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Panzeh posted:That's not exactly true- crossbowmen were professional soldiers, and their use required plenty of training. Physically, in closer, direct fire ranges where both weapons were fired straight, the crossbow was a much more powerful weapon- and this is the use case of most archery, realistically. The sort of total war/film style firing bows from way downtown was not particularly deadly or accurate against anyone with a modicum of protection. I mean, comparing them to guns somewhat proves the point. Yes you needed to have training to use both crossbows and guns, but the hardest part about them isn't the shooting, it was the reloading. It required significant practice to allow for rapid, effective fire, but it didn't require you to be such a beefcake to physically handle it, and it is a lot more "point and shoot". In terms of practicality yes, the crossbow was more effective at putting bolts into armored people than shortbows, but by the time they were put into widespread use the heavily armored knight was technologically outdated for several reasons anyways.
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Jan 6, 2022 17:25
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Just as a point but longbow archers were not peasants but also professional soldiers. Longbow archers were often from the middle class landowning ranks and went to war as a feudal obligation (one of the points of feudalism being that peasants *don't* fight) and to get paid, both by wages and plunder.
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