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Im 40 and got intimidated into getting driving lessons even though I have driven in San Francisco since my early 20s with a manual transmission. I actually passed my theory test today in Stockholm, and my practical is at the end of the month. I wanted to get the manual license but every other American I talked to here said it isn’t worth it. Even my driving instructor said don’t bother. It seems like such such scam though. You get a fail if you drive 31 in a 30 zone. When you change lanes you need to look at your rear view, side mirror, blind spot, signal, then change. And if it’s out of order you fail. During the practical there’s a trick spot where the test instructor tells you to make a left turn on a country road. You aren’t supposed to do it because the road has poor visibility ahead. But you won’t know this unless you spend 10,000 sek for a driving school to point out all of this. I’m a little bitter but honestly it’s been fun to go through all of this. I feel like I’m 16 again. Too bad I didn’t do this a couple of years ago when Unionen reimbursed driving lesson costs.
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Ofaloaf posted:I keep muttering that I'll get around to getting a license valid in this land of Swedes, but the written driver's exam just seems awful from the practice tests floating around online. There's such confounded gotcha questions, and then questions about emissions that have no pertinence to actually driving a car. It's a grating experience. I started studying in November and passed my test today. I did buy the book and read through it twice and I used Mitt Körkort app. I took about 2 tests a day of 70 questions and was pretty confident about it. I was expecting more of the stopping distance calculation questions but didn’t get any of those. I assume that’s random though. If you need the book I’m happy to send it to you, or if you’re in Stockholm maybe it’s easier to hand it over in person. But if you use something like the Trafiko package it’s 499 for the ebook , physical book and test questions.
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Jan 3, 2022 23:28
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I just traded my Ontario license for a Danish one. I got my Ontario license by trading in a Colorado one. My Colorado license I spent maybe $200 on, got 100 on the multiple choice quiz and 98/100 on the in-car. Didn't even ask me to parallel park so I did it anyhow.
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Jan 4, 2022 02:49
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Autistic Speculum posted:I used Mitt Körkort app. I took about 2 tests a day of 70 questions and was pretty confident about it. I was expecting more of the stopping distance calculation questions but didn’t get any of those. I assume that’s random though. If you need the book I’m happy to send it to you, or if you’re in Stockholm maybe it’s easier to hand it over in person. But if you use something like the Trafiko package it’s 499 for the ebook , physical book and test questions.
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Jan 4, 2022 07:31
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Invalido posted:Don't bother reading the book more than once, just cram dozens of practice tests, study up on what you got wrong until you pass them reliably and you'll pass the real one with margins first try. The really hard part to learn for me this last round at least was the finer points of parking rules, but knowing those will save you lots of money in avoided tickets in the long run. Interesting to see that nothing have changed in the 20 years since I took my license. As I recall, doing the practice tests plus getting lessons from a drive instructor that knew all the normal troublespots that you normally encountered during the practical test was enough. It is not like they invent a new test route for every student.
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Jan 4, 2022 08:23
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Cardiac posted:Interesting to see that nothing have changed in the 20 years since I took my license. Yeah my pro riding instructor was like "let's practice this particular tight corner that cause lots of people to fail on the exam ride since they run wide or fail to notice the speed limit sign obscured by that bush". It didn't come up on the exam but still. However, if I hadn't practiced the exact manoeuvring courses with the exact cone spacing about a hundred times at the traffic school that was on the exam ride I would have had to be a much better rider to pass. Then again the difficulty of the actual exams probably reflect this reality. Traffic schools are a bit like a cheat code. 2/3 of people coming from those pass first try compared to 1/3 of those who've practiced on their own.
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Jan 4, 2022 08:59
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All this reminds me of when a friend was taking his licence. And he printed out 1000 questions from some website and just started memorizing them as a way to cheat. Like.... That's not cheating. That's called studying.
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Jan 4, 2022 09:05
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Mad dad (who got his license in the 70s) has outright admitted that he and a number of friends his age outright cheated on the written test, by getting hold of the pattern they used to quickly correct the tests with back then. The examiner in his town also would pass anyone who didn't wake him up during the practical examination. He's a decent driver, but like a lot of people who were born before around 1990 or thereabouts he's really bad about indicating,.
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Jan 4, 2022 11:32
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Yup, getting an app is definitely the pro way to pass the written driving test. I used iKörkort for both B and C but there are a bunch of similar ones. Just do practice questions instead of browsing these lovely dead forums on your downtime until you're consistently getting 90-95% and the fact that they're not exactly the same as the test questions won't matter.
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Jan 4, 2022 12:48
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Autistic Speculum posted:It seems like such such scam though. You get a fail if you drive 31 in a 30 zone. When you change lanes you need to look at your rear view, side mirror, blind spot, signal, then change. And if it’s out of order you fail. Wow, really? The only instant fail I heard about in Norway is if you fail to yield to someone on the right side, or to a pedestrian, but I get that because someone could actually die if you don't do it. Also, shouldn't you signal first? At least make the possibility of you switching lanes visible to others is what I thought.
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Jan 4, 2022 12:48
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Momonari kun posted:Also, shouldn't you signal first? At least make the possibility of you switching lanes visible to others is what I thought.
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Jan 4, 2022 13:10
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https://www.ekobrottsmyndigheten.se/fore-detta-bank-vd-atalas-for-grov-ekonomisk-brottslighet/ holy hell they're actually prosecuting swedbank's former CEO for swindlery and market manipulation. i thought the americanization had gone further than that
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Jan 4, 2022 13:21
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Holy poo poo. 6 months to 6 years in prison for the swindlery (lol) alone if convicted. If the dude sees significant time behind bars is when I'll celebrate though.
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Jan 4, 2022 13:28
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Momonari kun posted:Wow, really? The only instant fail I heard about in Norway is if you fail to yield to someone on the right side, or to a pedestrian, but I get that because someone could actually die if you don't do it. Sound exaggerated to me tbh. I don't recall my examiner being particularly strict when I did my practical exam.
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Jan 4, 2022 13:42
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i can believe them being pretty strict in 30-zones, because 30-zones are usually dangerous. i don't buy 31, but i can absolutely see someone failing for going 35 in the 30-zone
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Jan 4, 2022 13:55
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Did my first driving lesson today because I've been living in a city since I was 18 and never needed a license before. It was super tense. I expected us to start on a parking lot or something but it was on an industrial block with regular afternoon traffic. Learning how to drive manual with trucks, pedestrians and the occasional Tier scooter abandoned on the road was a lot for my noob driving brain to handle.
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Jan 4, 2022 16:33
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V. Illych L. posted:i can believe them being pretty strict in 30-zones, because 30-zones are usually dangerous. i don't buy 31, but i can absolutely see someone failing for going 35 in the 30-zone I can see a reason for failing someone at 31 though, and that's the road conditions/design being so even 30 would actually be pushing it for safe driving. Like, if they're thinking "You really should be going 25 max here", then I don't really see the issue with failing them the moment they break the speed limit.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:09
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It's a speed limit. Just drive 15 or 20 in the 30 zone.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:24
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V. Illych L. posted:i can believe them being pretty strict in 30-zones, because 30-zones are usually dangerous. i don't buy 31, but i can absolutely see someone failing for going 35 in the 30-zone Well drivers in general suck at selecting the correct speed. On highways I drive like 10-15 above the speed limit and generally I drive somewhat too fast on normal roads. Unless it is 30-40, which I will always follow. It is a regular thing to see drivers driving at 60 on a 70 road and then continue to drive at 60 on a 50 road. The same goes for 90 to 70 as well. Drivers in general suck at adopting their speed to the speed limit and keep on at the same speed. They also drive too fast at lower speeds, but there are fewer drivers that go too fast above 110. For the practical test, respecting the speed limit is of course essential and is not particularly hard. Going to slow, however presents another set of problems however.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:43
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Feliday Melody posted:It's a speed limit. Just drive 15 or 20 in the 30 zone. I'm relatively sure you can actually lose your license in Sweden for driving too far beneath the speed limit without good reason.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:44
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MiddleOne posted:I'm relatively sure you can actually lose your license in Sweden for driving too far beneath the speed limit without good reason. There 's no actual lower limit, but a driver may not "drive at exceedingly low speed, suddenly brake or in other ways impede other drivers on the road without a valid cause.". Essentially, if everyone is driving at 80 and suddenly someone is driving 50 in a one-lane section there might be issues.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:57
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MiddleOne posted:I'm relatively sure you can actually lose your license in Sweden for driving too far beneath the speed limit without good reason. True, but not doing 15 to 20 in a 30 zone.
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Jan 4, 2022 19:07
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anatomi posted:I'm 36 and I'm planning to get my driver's license this year. Same here, I made it my nyårslöfte even! My plan is to just go to the closest driving school here in Malmö, slam my credit card on the desk and say ”I am almost forty, I can not go around asking family members for skjuts anymore. Just make it happen.”
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Jan 4, 2022 19:45
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It will probably cost me around one million sek but you can’t put a price on vuxenpoäng.
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Jan 4, 2022 19:46
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Inepta Lacerta posted:Essentially, if everyone is driving at 80 and suddenly someone is driving 50 in a one-lane section there might be issues. 
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Jan 4, 2022 19:51
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If you have at least one friend with a car. Just go to an empty parking lot and drive around there, changing gears etc, for a few hours. Then do that several times until basic handling feels good. That should save you several expensive driving lessons.
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Jan 4, 2022 19:57
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Invalido posted:Unless you're driving one of those immensely stupid "tractors" because then 30 is fine Strictly speaking you are not allowed to drive those everywhere, but it often seems to be overlooked by the cops.
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Jan 4, 2022 20:13
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Konec Hry posted:Same here, I made it my nyårslöfte even! I’m 40 and in Malmö and doing pretty much exactly that right now. Let’s go!
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Jan 4, 2022 22:32
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Hoping to restart mine up again as covid made me skittish as hell
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Jan 4, 2022 22:34
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Also can confirm that driving around a parking lot for a few hours to get used to the basic handling is probably a good idea if you have that option.
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Jan 4, 2022 22:51
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lilljonas posted:Did my first driving lesson today because I've been living in a city since I was 18 and never needed a license before. It was super tense. I expected us to start on a parking lot or something but it was on an industrial block with regular afternoon traffic. Learning how to drive manual with trucks, pedestrians and the occasional Tier scooter abandoned on the road was a lot for my noob driving brain to handle. The first time I legally went with a motorcycle on the road in traffic I lasted about 25 minutes and then I was totally drained and only wanted to sleep. Luckily it was with my private handledare and I hadn't paid for two hours straight because that would have been wasted and probably dangerous. Driving/riding is a super brain demanding activity full of sensory inputs. Then your learn to filter out stuff and automate other stuff and you'll last longer and longer concentration-wise and eventually get jaded with the whole thing. Brains are awesome that way but I kinda wish I could get that "holy poo poo I'm riding a motorcycle the sounds and vibrations and smells and speed oh poo poo a truck I don't want to die but this is amazing"-feeling every time.
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Jan 4, 2022 22:58
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lilljonas posted:Also can confirm that driving around a parking lot for a few hours to get used to the basic handling is probably a good idea if you have that option. When I got my license that was the first thing I did with my instructor (though not for a few hours, more like 30 minutes to an hour), I also did it some times with my dad as well. It seemed like a good idea.
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Jan 5, 2022 09:49
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https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/journalister-fra-berlingske-og-andre-aviser-er-indkaldt-til-afhoering-om Threatening journalists now. Nick Hækkerup must be fully erect.
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Jan 5, 2022 13:12
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I can't help but think this is related to the announcement from "Tilsynet med Efterretningstjenesterne" in August 2020 that whistleblowers had reported some illegal stuff in FE. The investigative committee conveniently concluded in December that everything's fine, and right at the same time 4 employees get charged 
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Jan 5, 2022 14:08
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Woodenlung posted:https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/journalister-fra-berlingske-og-andre-aviser-er-indkaldt-til-afhoering-om Is this the famous Danish liberal freedom ideals I've been hearing of?
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Jan 5, 2022 14:47
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Those are only important for insulting minorities, making up statistics about how minorities are the cause of all crime and related race “science”. When it comes to anything else, weirdly none of the freedom of speech extremists are interested anymore.
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Jan 5, 2022 19:06
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At least we still have the freedom to infect each other with a deadly pathogen (safely).
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, speeding in a 30-zone seems like a huge warning flag. I can understand (low level) speeding on some actual roads, but if you're doing it in a 30-zone you're basically telling the driving examiner that you haven't actually absorbed any of the lessons about driving safely. the thing is, dipping over 31 on the speedometer doesn't necessarily mean anything other than that you're around 31 km/h at speed - it's perfectly plausible in many cars that the speedometer says 31 km/h despite going 29 km/h or something. if someone's weirdly insistent on going exactly 31 in the 30-zone, sure, but i didn't get the impression that this was what was going on that said, yeah i can get the point that a driver really *shouldn't* be going 30 km/h if you're in a twisted maze of a residential area with lots of kids and cars parked everywhere
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V. Illych L. posted:the thing is, dipping over 31 on the speedometer doesn't necessarily mean anything other than that you're around 31 km/h at speed - it's perfectly plausible in many cars that the speedometer says 31 km/h despite going 29 km/h or something. if someone's weirdly insistent on going exactly 31 in the 30-zone, sure, but i didn't get the impression that this was what was going on But again. It's a speed limit. Not a speed requirement. You don't have to skirt the edge of 30. Especially during a driver's exam. You can just go 25 or 20, and it's fine.
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Feliday Melody posted:But again. It's a speed limit. Not a speed requirement.
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