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Megillah Gorilla posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZsuAQllNkM I was actually expecting the CCP official to be overseas, as that would have been newsworthy. While still horrible, this stuff is old news. (Still appreciated that you posted it, especially for the tankies to handwave) It's pretty amazing that we still do business with this genocidal police/surveillance state who has time and time again lashed out at us and others with no regard for the rule of law. Then again our neighbor to the south is basically speed-running fascist theocracy.
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I think you'll find that video is actually State Department propaganda funded by the NED, furthermore...
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Thanks for that, BrainDance. I've had tour guides and locals alike tell me such people never existed when I've asked about them.Megillah Gorilla posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZsuAQllNkM We used to warn our students to look out for this kind fo thing when they went to study abroad, yeah. Horrifying.
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McGavin posted:I think you'll find that video is actually State Department propaganda funded by the NED, furthermore... CIA Deepfake. 
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McGavin posted:I think you'll find that video is actually State Department propaganda funded by the NED, furthermore... The State Department is funded by Neo Exdeath?
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Thanks for some Original content.
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BrainDance posted:asking questions about an unauthorized religion.
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Epiphyte posted:So how does that work in China? I was aware of all the stuff with Falun Gong, but does China have some sort of licensure deal with the Catholics and never got around to doing that with any Jewish body? There are only five legal religions in China. Protestantism, Catholicism (in my experience most people in East Asia understand these to be completely distinct religions, not branches of the same thing), Islam (theoretically still legal), Buddhism, and Daoism. All of these have governing bodies run by the Party. All other religions are technically illegal, but in practice post-Mao the state is generally willing to leave you alone as long as you don't cause any trouble. "Trouble" is of course up to the state to define. So, Judaism isn't a legally recognized religion in China and thus isn't allowed to exist. Best to keep it quiet, especially with all the bizarre beliefs about Jews in China. There's also all the practices that get lumped into Chinese folk religion but there's nothing organized there and it isn't usually considered a specific thing.
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What are “weird views about Jews in China”? Imported antisemitism from the west or did it mutate somewhat?
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thetoughestbean posted:What are “weird views about Jews in China”? Imported antisemitism from the west or did it mutate somewhat? Imagine you believe every antisemitic thing you've ever heard and think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real, but you don't have an underlying anti-Jewish sentiment and actually think it's all cool and good. Jews control all the money and secretly rule the world? Wow, they're smart, we should learn from that. E: This is also basically true in Korea and Japan. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jan 4, 2022 |
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Blistex posted:I was actually expecting the CCP official to be overseas, as that would have been newsworthy. While still horrible, this stuff is old news. (Still appreciated that you posted it, especially for the tankies to handwave) If US relations with Saudi Arabia are any indication, even fascist theocracies will get overlooked if it keeps the logistics a-goin'.
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Grand Fromage posted:Imagine you believe every antisemitic thing you've ever heard and think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real, but you don't have an underlying anti-Jewish sentiment and actually think it's all cool and good. Jews control all the money and secretly rule the world? Wow, they're smart, we should learn from that. It's a pretty common attitude throughout East Asia, isn't it? I know Japan brought into it to some degree.
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Tomn posted:It's a pretty common attitude throughout East Asia, isn't it? I know Japan brought into it to some degree. You caught me before my edit, but yes. There's also a thing about Chinese people being the "Jews of the East" because they're good at business. then Wenzhou people being the Jews of China for the same reason.
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Grand Fromage posted:There's also a thing about Chinese people being the "Jews of the East" because they're good at business. then Wenzhou people being the Jews of China for the same reason. There's also this thing apparently about "Han Chinese are more evolved than other races." I was told this from a work colleague in Singapore while at lunch. Me: Um, that's quite racist and eugenic and like the Third Reich. Him: No, you don't understand, we're just more evolved than other races, that's all. Don't worry about it. Me: ... He was such a loving twat.
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Yeah but everybody in East Asia thinks that about themselves. Was way more common in Korea than China.
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I guess Koreans must be more evolved to have invented underfloor heating as well as a million other things.
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So they're better adapted towards their home environment? Can't argue with that. I'd choke in a Confucian setting.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah but everybody in East Asia thinks that about themselves. Was way more common in Korea than China. As I understand it the thai's view themselves as the super race. I still remember that drunk guy in Bangkok yelling about indians
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I mean, are there any groups of humans who don't view themselves as the best? Or, at least better than those lovely neighbors next door? e: I thought about it for 2 seconds and I suppose self-flagellating white Western tankie boys definitely hate themselves.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah but everybody in East Asia thinks that about themselves. Was way more common in Korea than China. Did you ever have the opportunity to hear a coworker give you their racial hierarchy? I've heard a few different flavours, with some pretty obvious and surprising rankings. Kr, Jp, Eu, Ch, Middle Eastern, SE Asia . . . . Primates. . . African . . . Invertebrates . . . Philippines. . . bacteria. . . Indian/Pakistan. 
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How are u posted:I thought about it for 2 seconds and I suppose self-flagellating white Western tankie boys definitely hate themselves. To be fair, everyone outside of the Central Publicity Department hates them.
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How are u posted:I mean, are there any groups of humans who don't view themselves as the best? Or, at least better than those lovely neighbors next door? Not the same way, no. A lot of Koreans (including two doctors I was refused service at) think Koreans are literally a biologically distinct, superior species. Nihonjinron is probably the easiest thing to read about in English, that's the Japanese version. Blistex posted:Did you ever have the opportunity to hear a coworker give you their racial hierarchy? I've heard a few different flavours, with some pretty obvious and surprising rankings. I did not that I can remember. Got a lot of pretty consistent racial hierarchy lists in China tho. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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How are u posted:I mean, are there any groups of humans who don't view themselves as the best? Or, at least better than those lovely neighbors next door? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29-LRuuqFT0
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How are u posted:I mean, are there any groups of humans who don't view themselves as the best? Or, at least better than those lovely neighbors next door? No they don't, a tankie America would be Jim Crow "socialism", racist as all hell.
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Grand Fromage posted:I did not that I can remember. Got a lot of pretty consistent racial hierarchy lists in China tho. It was probably in the elementary curriculum in China.
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Blistex posted:Then again our neighbor to the south is basically speed-running fascist theocracy. I spent several minutes trying to figure out what Mexico was doing. . . . then it hit me you're probably Canadian, and talking about us 
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Blistex posted:I honestly feel so sorry for the non-insane and non-racist insane people in the US. both of them?
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In Taiwan I was told the Hakka specifically were the "Jews of Asia", so I guess every group has their weird take on it. It's pretty funny how many of us have encountered this specific form of prejudice. Also depressing.
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The Last Kings of Shanghai is a great recent book about two prominent Jewish families (the Sassoons and the Kadoories) in East Asia. It doesn't directly analyze the weird nature of anti-semitism in China, but it is nonetheless excellent. There is a lot about the relationships between the families and the Japanese as well, and of course plenty of regular references to the anti-semitism of the Brits. I recall near the end that it notes how the treatment of Judaism in China can really vary depending on the current policies. Eg., I think it mentions something like Kaifeng Jews being a really popular topic in the 90s when the politics were highlighting China's historical richness, but then crackdowns on religion meant they were memory holed.
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BrigadierSensible posted:both of them? There are dozens of us. Dozens!
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Epiphyte posted:but does China have some sort of licensure deal with the Catholics and never got around to doing that with any Jewish body? The Catholic thing is, of all the religions authorized in China, the most complicated and confusing thing and talking about in terms of a licensure deal does kinda fit lol. There are kinda, sorta, 2 Catholic churches in China. Though there's a ton of overlap and sometimes deals made between the Vatican and the Party that make that overlap bigger or smaller. As of right now in 2022 the situation is not exactly clear. So in the Catholic Church the Church itself ordains bishops. This is not a small thing, it's not just bureaucratic but theological (the justification being that it creates an unbroken chain back to Peter of bishops. The "Laying of Hands" in the Apostolic Succession and all that.) If a bishop hasn't been selected by the Church and hasn't had the laying of hands, then he is not a bishop. But, then, from the Party's perspective, the Catholic Church is a foreign organization. The Vatican is a straight up foreign nation, and recognizes Taiwan. Allowing the Church to select the religious leaders in China is foreign interference and that isn't gonna happen. So the Party, from the very beginning way back in the day (I think this happened in the 50s?) went and created its own unlicensed Catholic Church knock-off. The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association. At first the Church's stance on this was, well it's not in communion with the real church so it's just not Catholic. They never explicitly called them a schism, though (which matters a lot, because if it's a schism it's a heresy. If it's a heresy you're excommunicated.) I feel like this was because they recognized that if they did they'd kinda be screwing over a lot of Catholics in China and also ruining their chance to negotiate with China. But if you went and did this in some other country, you're getting labeled a schism and you're getting excommunicated. But the actual Catholic church continued to operate in China, I don't know if this was just inertia from the pre-party Catholic church's existence, the legitimate convictions of Catholics in China, or what but forms of the Catholic church that rejected the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association continued. This is called the "Underground Church" and, it's different from "House Churches" which is used to refer to the unauthorized Protestant churches in China. Another weird effect of this was that the practices and theology of the Catholic church and the CPCA split, because they stopped listening to the Pope after the 50s, so they didn't adjust to new church dogma and changes in mass. A lot of the CPCA bishops were secretly ordained by the actual Church, a lot of people are members of both the underground church and the CPCA, so that's where it gets fuzzy. Eventually, in the 80s, the Vatican just started accepting most of the CPCA bishop appointments and saying "sure they're bishops I guess." One difference that still exists is that Catholic churches in China make no comment one way or another on abortion at all. They just do not talk about it. Very recently a deal was made where the CPCA will select bishops, but the Vatican can veto them. This was provisional, but it was extended once. I mean, very recently, 2020 or 2019 or something. but then in 2021 the Party came out with some new rules that didn't exactly say the agreement was done but contradict it in ways that it looks like it must be. In Kaifeng there is a Catholic church, I think it's pretty old because it really stands out, doesn't fit in with the area it's in at all  The current bishop of Kaifeng was originally not going to be the bishop. It was this other guy, but it turns out this other guy was a member of the underground church too. The Party stepped in and refused to allow him to become a bishop. He didn't get arrested or anything, he's still a priest, he just couldn't be a bishop. The thing is, the bishop he was going to replace (not for any bad reason I don't think, just retirement) was also an "underground bishop." And then sometimes they arrest the gently caress out of underground bishops, I have no idea what makes them decide who to go after and who to ignore https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna20725941
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Atlas Hugged posted:In Taiwan I was told the Hakka specifically were the "Jews of Asia", so I guess every group has their weird take on it. It's pretty funny how many of us have encountered this specific form of prejudice. Also depressing. this has reminded me that somewhere in the world there is space hakka, who comes from a place called nightclub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO_QRsDVrpQ
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Woolie Wool posted:No they don't, a tankie America would be Jim Crow "socialism", racist as all hell. I was having a discussion elsewhere and someone referred to tankies as "red fascists" which I think is a great term.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I was having a discussion elsewhere and someone referred to tankies as "red fascists" which I think is a great term. I have heard lots of references to a "red-brown coalition", but considering most fascist/reactionary movements outside of Germany and Italy used white as a political color, and the association of fascism with white supremacy in general, we should really speak of a "red-white coalition".
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If you do yoga or other foreign pseudo-religious/spiritual exercise stuff, you have to register with the police and they'll come by every now and then to make sure you aren't starting a cult. Qigong and tai chi stuff is already heavily monitored and regulated after the Falun Gong stuff but just the idea that some cop has to stop by the yoga class and stare down the instructor to make sure they're not starting a cult is hilarious. Meanwhile I used to see signs for Amway in Zhengzhou all the time.
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