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There is certainly some truth to the claim that if the US was to withdraw from NATO/Europe the hostility would just shift towards European states sooner or later. Russia ordering public assassinations and cyberattacks in Berlin, in what is perceived as one of the most russophile European countries, shows their blatant disregard for our sovereignty. We are certainly not any less "contaminated" by the LGBT/BLM mentality (lmao) that is so abhorrent to the current Russian government. Seems like the only way to not have Russia assassinate your residents in the streets is to have strong deterrents. AFAIK they never tried that poo poo on US soil. Russophilia does jackshit.
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I'm going to guess that Konstantin "Blow up Yellowstone for maximum damage" Sivkov isn't someone to take seriously? It would be sound policy to continue to keep him away from the controls
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Grouchio posted:I'm going to guess that Konstantin "Blow up Yellowstone for maximum damage" Sivkov isn't someone to take seriously? It would be sound policy to continue to keep him away from the controls Without having looked up the context, that’s loving hilarious to me. Yes, let’s bomb one of the least densely populated parts of the lower 48 and hope it triggers the stupid super volcano. This is something a person who talks to the press comes up with. Okay.
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Without having looked up the context, that’s loving hilarious to me. Yes, let’s bomb one of the least densely populated parts of the lower 48 and hope it triggers the stupid super volcano. This is something a person who talks to the press comes up with. Okay. Konstantin “Russian supertorpedo can hit Eastern Seaboard, triggering a 1500 ft tsunami wave and an intense radiation blast to eradicate life within 1000 miles of the Eastern Coast” Sivkov is a known character. PhD in military politology, works for think tanks about nukes and politics, and likes to opine about nuclear warfare as an option in every single conflict. Back when Russia invaded Ukraine, he was doing rounds with an “explainer” how Russia could turn Germany into a nuclear desert in the event of German bombers launching American nukes into Ukraine.
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Without having looked up the context, that’s loving hilarious to me. Yes, let’s bomb one of the least densely populated parts of the lower 48 and hope it triggers the stupid super volcano. This is something a person who talks to the press comes up with. Okay. Well I'm sorry if he doesn't strike you as credible, but perhaps instead of negativity you should tell us what Bond villains can do for employment between films? There used to be a new 007 movie every year or two years, now you have to wait five years!
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we interrupt your regularly-scheduled Ukraine clancychat with news from _very_ eastern europe (go figure, D&D doesn't have a central asia thread, so this gets to be the de facto FSU thread) to bring you large street protests and (attempted) storming of government offices in https://twitter.com/b_nishanov/status/1478423058645925896 https://twitter.com/joannalillis/status/1478408142983774208 Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 4, 2022 |
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Having done business in Kazakhstan, this can get really ugly really quickly. 
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From what I've read, an interesting part of political demands is that all power from ex-president Nazarbaev should be fully transitioned to current president Tokaev, whom Nazarbaev himself picked as his successor. So in a way, it's a loyalist uprising. I am, however, not very knowledgeable about Kazakhstan's politics, so I don't know if it's really something the majority of protestors demand, and what it actually means in terms of how different political clans interact there.
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They're protesting fuel prices but I see many of them driving SUVs 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Having done business in Kazakhstan, this can get really ugly really quickly. I do hope it might not have maybe  , not sure
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VoltairePunk posted:I do hope it might not have While video requires proper confirmation, draft post did include a Tianmen comparison.
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Nenonen posted:They're protesting fuel prices but I see many of them driving SUVs They're protesting the fact that they have to drive sedans to keep up with the costs. The G wagon will have to rust in the kazak desert
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Having done business in Kazakhstan, this can get really ugly really quickly. Can you explain this thought?
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Xerxes17 posted:Can you explain this thought? High fuel prices will impact potassium exports
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Xerxes17 posted:Can you explain this thought? My experience with their government, during Nazarbaev presidency, was that they’re quite eager to escalate conflicts with domestic actors.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Having done business in Kazakhstan, this can get really ugly really quickly. https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1478473906126311430 https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1478507538945646594 Grouchio fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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Grouchio posted:Or really good really quickly, as in "army crumpled and govt resigning power tomorrow" quickly That too, they're no slouch in that sense - I'd just expect more violence from their political elite than I did from, e.g., Yanukovych.
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The power of gas prices.
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Grouchio posted:Or really good really quickly, as in "army crumpled and govt resigning power tomorrow" quickly I don't know enough about Kazakhstan to know if it was bad enough that any change in power would be beneficial, but I know enough about revolutions to know they're all rolls of the dice. I'd save really good for at least a couple of years. Might be good news for Ukraine though, depending on how things go.
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Are there any articles on the expected economic impact of a war in Ukraine? And it sounds like to me - correct me if I am wrong - Ukraine will likely lose by default and just be overwhelmed by Russian Air Superiority. And NATO isn't going to be coming to their rescue.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Are there any articles on the expected economic impact of a war in Ukraine? And it sounds like to me - correct me if I am wrong - Ukraine will likely lose by default and just be overwhelmed by Russian Air Superiority. Ukraine cannot win against Russia because in order to be capable of doing that in the first place they would need the kinds of things that result in global thermonuclear war shortly thereafter. Ukraine is basically on its own aside from the arms and supply shipments from the US/NATO.
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Interesting how similar the slogans are in Kz, Ru and By "go away old man"
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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine cannot win against Russia because in order to be capable of doing that in the first place they would need the kinds of things that result in global thermonuclear war shortly thereafter. Ukraine is basically on its own aside from the arms and supply shipments from the US/NATO. It's not a matter of who wins, but who survives. Russia is not going to use nukes and they would have to mobilize a lot more troops to fully occupy major parts of Ukraine. Russia doesn't have the element of surprise like they did in Georgia, so the possibility of substantial casualties is also real. My question is, do the Russian people support Putin's goals enough that it couldn't backfire on him if things don't go rosy? And if a military operation doesn't topple Ukrainian government or the people's resistance to Russian invaders then what?
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Definitely can't win in the sense of Ukrainian tanks rolling down Red Square but quite possibly make it enough of a mess to not be worth it. It'd be a huge conflict in the middle of Europe between people they're claiming are brothers, not some Wagner mercs getting blown up in Syria.piL posted:I don't know enough about Kazakhstan to know if it was bad enough that any change in power would be beneficial, but I know enough about revolutions to know they're all rolls of the dice. I'd save really good for at least a couple of years. Might be good news for Ukraine though, depending on how things go. Yeah it's be pretty funny if Kazakhstan gets invaded instead to "protect the Russian population" from the overthrow of the government
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It's official; Kazakhstan government resigns after violent protests over fuel pricequote:Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev accepted the government's resignation on Wednesday, his office said, after a fuel price increase in the oil-rich Central Asian country triggered protests in which nearly 100 police were injured. Police used tear gas and stun grenades late on Tuesday to drive hundreds of protesters out of the main square in Almaty, the former Soviet republic's biggest city, and clashes resumed on Wednesday. The protests shook the former Soviet republic's image as a politically stable and tightly controlled country, which it has used to attract hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign investment in its oil and metals industries over three decades of independence.
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That escalated quickly.mobby_6kl posted:Yeah it's be pretty funny if Kazakhstan gets invaded instead to "protect the Russian population" from the overthrow of the government Edit: ah right, not dictator, just resignation of government, but still Dwesa fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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Has Kyrgyzstan been moving away from Russia after their little revolution? Unlike Ukraine and the old Western Soviet republics and Pact members I don't really see as much opportunity for the Central Asian states for drifting out of Russia's economic sphere. The leadership in general has always sought at least cordial relations with Russia in any case. Kazakhstan's president at least seems to be acknowledging what the protesters are protesting about and attempting to take actions taht will alleviate those issues, though he's also very much trying to shift blame away from himself and not acknowledging personal responsibility. I guess we'll see if he manages to preserve himself. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah it's be pretty funny if Kazakhstan gets invaded instead to "protect the Russian population" from the overthrow of the government Sokurov from the human rights council that a month ago pissed off Putin by suggesting Russia lets go the Caucasus republics predicted a war with Ukraine and Kazakhstan back in 2008 http://www.matritca.kz/other-sites/7694-variant-voyny-s-kazahstanom-trudno-preodolim-asokurov.html I don't bring it up because everyone is generous on WW3 predictions but it's still hard to believe how quickly the brotherly nation stuff was turned into crazed ukrs crucifying russian boys
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Grouchio posted:It's official; Kazakhstan government resigns after violent protests over fuel price Here’s hoping things deescalate a bit here. I’m puzzled by Nazarbayev’s silence here, but chances are he’s just letting Tokayev take the flak for all of this.
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I heard an opinion that Tokayev is using it as a chance to gain real power. Goverment that resigned was all Nazarbayev relatives and cronies, now Tokayev can fill the seats with his own people.
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