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ICE or EV, whatever, it's all unfathomably destructive.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:00
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Cars in general are bad for just about every facet of society.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:09
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the main pollution issue with EVs (once they are actually being driven) is pollution coming from tire wear right?
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Jan 4, 2022 18:15
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actionjackson posted:the main pollution issue with EVs (once they are actually being driven) is pollution coming from tire wear right? EVs don't magically create electricity, the pollution is just pawned off on whatever electric facility you're plugged into.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:17
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The main pollution issue with EVs is [checks notes] cryptocurrency?
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Jan 4, 2022 18:17
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Perry Mason Jar posted:The main pollution issue with EVs is [checks notes] cryptocurrency? lol apparently so
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Jan 4, 2022 18:18
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the main pollution issue is that they sell the lie that we can continue living with a car based culture
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Jan 4, 2022 18:24
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actionjackson posted:the main pollution issue with EVs (once they are actually being driven) is pollution coming from tire wear right? Main? No. This isn't some problem where one factor explains most of the variance. Manufacturing is destructive. Plastic wear is destructive. The hydrophobic cesspits of runoff we call roads are destructive. The light pollution that illuminates them is destructive. Cars are an ensemble of death that can never meaningfully be broken down into a primary cause.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:28
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Main? No. This isn't some problem where one factor explains most of the variance. Manufacturing is destructive. Plastic wear is destructive. The hydrophobic cesspits of runoff we call roads are destructive. The light pollution that illuminates them is destructive. Well this is all very unfortunate as our nation and culture are entirely about cars. More than about humans, in fact.
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Jan 4, 2022 18:36
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americans, and humanity at large, will die en masse before giving up cars poo poo, hundreds of thousands of people die every year from the things just loving crashing--not even the disastrous effects of them merely existing sometime i think about an old friend who asked me a few years ago "so are you still against cars?" yep always forever
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Jan 4, 2022 18:54
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I can never communicate how much I hate Jay Leno thanks to the limits of language  loving piece of poo poo guy. gently caress! I hate him!
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Jan 4, 2022 18:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIqgNBJNwgg people should only drive cars this size
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Jan 4, 2022 18:58
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T-Paine posted:https://twitter.com/Ayishas12/status/1478339725152952321 These dumb kids are going to waste their 20s being mopey about climate change. Enjoy partial collapse before the total collapse, idiots.
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Jan 4, 2022 19:12
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The Wisest Moron posted:These dumb kids are going to waste their 20s being mopey about climate change. Enjoy partial collapse before the total collapse, idiots. that’s where I’m at. make as much money and travel as much as I can before things really break down. (money is to buy things that will be useful in a full break down, just so I can live long enough to watch everything really fail and laugh the whole way).
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Jan 4, 2022 19:14
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Alobar posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIqgNBJNwgg the notion of private transportation should be abolished
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Jan 4, 2022 19:18
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Absolutely gobsmacked by the awesome luck we managed to get in equipping the vast majority of the world's populace with cameras for capturing the end of the world AND accessible mass media that enables everyone to share and see those same images. I mean we really knocked it out of the park. Normally you'd have to watch a recreation of panicked families fleeing a Chuck-E-Cheese wildfire in Colorado in December and we get it live and in real time or very near real time. Just fantastic timing, really and truly. Don't die yet, the sights you'll see!
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Jan 4, 2022 19:18
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it is tremendous content
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Jan 4, 2022 19:49
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pissinthewind posted:the notion of private transportation should be abolished why do you hate america/freedom/etc???  but seriously, yeah you're right there are so many loving cars loving everywhere i had a friend offer to give me his old car because i guess his parents were buying him a new one, and he got offended when i told him i literally can't loving afford to own a car even if i'm given one for free gas money, insurance money, finding parking, paying parking tickets, general upkeep, etc dude thought he was doing me a favor but he was literally trying to give me more bills when i'm barely scraping by e: this is the same guy that stopped on the other side of a busy intersection to open his door and invite a cat into the car, in the hood, in oakland, and didn't understand why i was freaking out "DON'T LET THAT CAT INTO THE CAR?!!? DRIVE!!! THIS IS A BUSY INTERSECTION!!!" "relaaax, there aren't any cars coming." i also don't have the money to go to the loving ER because i got hosed up by a random loving stray cat. Alobar has issued a correction as of 19:53 on Jan 4, 2022 |
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Jan 4, 2022 19:50
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pigeon poo poo
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Jan 4, 2022 19:50
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Absolutely gobsmacked by the awesome luck we managed to get in equipping the vast majority of the world's populace with cameras for capturing the end of the world AND accessible mass media that enables everyone to share and see those same images. I mean we really knocked it out of the park. Normally you'd have to watch a recreation of panicked families fleeing a Chuck-E-Cheese wildfire in Colorado in December and we get it live and in real time or very near real time. Just fantastic timing, really and truly. Don't die yet, the sights you'll see! I wonder sometimes what it would have been like if world war 2 had Internet and mobile phone cameras.
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Jan 4, 2022 19:54
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Cloks posted:the main pollution issue is that they sell the lie that we can continue living with a car based culture Just wait until AVs get rammed down our throats and see how much more sprawl and highways get pushed for as the world burns.
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Jan 4, 2022 20:03
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Rectal Death Adept posted:defending every electric vehicle vs internal combustion engine comparison as completely accounting for all systematic inputs for the past 20 years is a pretty bold stance of course not every comparison accounts for all inputs but that's not the point. the point is any comparative assessment on a vehicle-to-vehicle cradle-to-grave basis performed by someone who has any background in the field has accounted for extraction, manufacturing, and use-phase energy origins. it's not hard to find these analyses. if a study doesn't account for those things it's because that's not the point of the study. now would a CEO have their marketing folks cherry pick numbers and hide the fine print to make EVs look better? of course. would the World Resources Institute hire a bunch of ex-World Bank execs and take a ton of corporate cash to create a GHG reporting standard and develop an intentionally hamstrung framework that makes it easy to ignore established methodologies? absolutely would they lobby to use that framework as the basis for regulations so as to avoid analyzing upstream impacts and end-of-life "because we just don't have the tools to evaluate that yet"? yep  quote:https://www.epa.gov/climateleadership/scope-1-and-scope-2-inventory-guidance as has been said, the problem is not EVs in particular being better or worse than ICE-Vs, it's the system that EVs are used to perpetuate. honestly I don't have a dog in this fight, all cars are bad, but there's much worse climate reporting behavior going on than bad EV analyses which can be easily rebutted.
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Jan 4, 2022 20:23
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Absolutely gobsmacked by the awesome luck we managed to get in equipping the vast majority of the world's populace with cameras for capturing the end of the world AND accessible mass media that enables everyone to share and see those same images. I mean we really knocked it out of the park. Normally you'd have to watch a recreation of panicked families fleeing a Chuck-E-Cheese wildfire in Colorado in December and we get it live and in real time or very near real time. Just fantastic timing, really and truly. Don't die yet, the sights you'll see! more like chuck-e-wheeze
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Jan 4, 2022 20:28
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With regards to carbon capture. I'm guessing that's brought forward a solution so we don't have to reduce emissions. But do we even know how viable and safe it is to pump gigatonnes of carbon into the earth. And guarantee it won't seep back up like methane from melting permafrost
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Jan 4, 2022 21:27
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Every bit of carbon captured means someone gets to emit even more.
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Jan 4, 2022 21:33
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Marenghi posted:With regards to carbon capture. I'm guessing that's brought forward a solution so we don't have to reduce emissions. carbon pumped into the ground to frack oil up is probably going to stay in the otherwise sealed chambers probably who knows, really, but it's the probable outcome as long as the company properly seals everything off afterward (hahahahahahaha) a win/win for oil companies when you think about it
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Jan 4, 2022 21:42
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Complications posted:carbon pumped into the ground to frack oil up is probably going to stay in the otherwise sealed chambers And when they cause massive earthquakes and landslides, they won't be liable in any way!
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Jan 4, 2022 21:43
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i love the mental image of "running every car ever made backwards for its entire lifespan and pumping the result into the ground." It's an impossibly large feat and the energy gradient is awful. even then it doesn't even account for coal and other stationary sources, but we don't have nearly as good an intuitive sense of scale with those. btw here's a good simple example of reporting EV emissions scenarios with explicit manufacturing phase impacts:  it's easy to see how on a mixed grid (2014 EU average, 25% coal, 27% nuclear, 15% gas, 27% renewable) EVs dominate ICE despite higher manufacturing impacts, and it's also easy to see how that doesn't matter at all if you're making more cars at a record rate and driving more miles per car. Note that for the US, in Seattle an EV will be much closer to the renewable number (93% hydro power), and in the Midwest (MISO region) it'll be closer to 100% coal (38% coal, 26% gas, 14% nuclear, 9% renewable...), maybe worse than ICE.
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Jan 4, 2022 21:58
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Don't Look Up sounds like someone wanted to rewrite the planet killing asteroid from The Last Policeman as a take on Idiocracy instead of a detective novel. idiocracy parody of the U.S. was america gently caress yeah whereas Don't Look Up was heckin america. decidedly less interesting
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Jan 4, 2022 22:03
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watering plants with gatorade is leagues ahead of don't look up writing
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Jan 4, 2022 22:04
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Spime Wrangler posted:i love the mental image of "running every car ever made backwards for its entire lifespan and pumping the result into the ground." It's an impossibly large feat and the energy gradient is awful. UCS has put out research including specific US grid mixes and even in the most coal heavy parts of the grid a new EV beats the majority of new ICE.  But the issue is our car-centric society and of course EVs don’t fix that. In the perfect world maybe we’d be building more short range EVs now as we build out real rail, mass transit, densification, etc. Drop the size of the car fleet by 90% or whatever and use the EVs that get built for last-mile rural deliveries or whatever mass trans and rail can’t cover.
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Jan 4, 2022 22:50
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So I have a fun "infrastructure" post. Last week, I was in LA driving back North. The rain is insane. Like, dumping. I use GPS to get on the I5, but apple maps reroutes me to 14. Makes no sense, and I don't realize this till almost 40 minutes into the drive. So I turn around, and get back on 5 towards the grapevine. And get stuck for an hour in traffic. Then, right at the start of the grapevine, the police have it blocked off, because i5 is shut down. Totally. For rain. so back to 14 I go. Only, it's me, and every single other car and truck heading that way too. Long story short, I get stuck in mud in the high dessert, (tried to pull a u turn on a dessert road, and the mud instantly stuck my hatch and half a dozen other sedans) get pulled free by a mom and her son driving around in a giant lifted truck looking happier than pigs with a chain, and then was stuck on a 30 mile section of highway to Bakersfield for 3 hours. I left at 7AM, and pulled into a cheap motel off of i5, just north of Bakersfield. at 9:30PM. I was in the car for 14 hours, and drove roughly 150 miles. And all I could think was, (that was just some rain. And it disrupted so many people for a day). So when this East Coast car jam up for a day in frozen conditions hits just a few days later, I just laugh. Also, the roads were terrible. We're talking potholes I avoided because I'm pretty sure they would cause a flat. Also, half of the rest stops were closed on i5. Things aren't bad.... yet.
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Jan 4, 2022 23:57
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LionArcher posted:So I have a fun "infrastructure" post. The grapevine was probably shut down due to snow/icing.
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Jan 5, 2022 00:16
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:That's another thing I didn't really like about the film. I guess it's not really relevant to the film's message but it annoyed me that the discoverer was somehow the first to notice it in the sky by sheer chance and when they looked at it it was just loving massive already. And then they spread the word and everyone was looking at it whereas before nobody had noticed it for some reason. I don't think it would be a better movie if they cut to a scene of a bunch of internet forum astronomers using their own telescopes on day 2 to look at it and start doomposting - a thing certainly happening in the background of the movie. Am I misremembering... wasn't the comet not actually visible to the naked eye until like 2/3rds of the way into the movie, after the Dr. Mindy freak out rant?
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Jan 5, 2022 00:28
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tiberion02 posted:I don't think it would be a better movie if they cut to a scene of a bunch of internet forum astronomers using their own telescopes on day 2 to look at it and start doomposting - a thing certainly happening in the background of the movie. If a State Uni researcher could see it, other observatories could too. Hell, even US researchers have to rent time on observatories in other countries. Chile has excellent ones because the Atacama desert has no real weather.
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Jan 5, 2022 00:35
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https://www.npr.org/2022/01/04/1070308372/elmo-sesame-street-rocco it'll be ok everyone, just smile 
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Jan 5, 2022 01:05
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Good news! Climate change is solved https://streamable.com/2itr06
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Jan 5, 2022 01:42
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Perry Mason Jar posted:It's not an accident or coincidence, the film is always saying Believe the Experts. It directs you to take Science on faith. Which is not how science is correctly practiced but is a liberal credo despite. since I'm not a climate scientist I have no other choice than to take it on faith that these people who have been educated to know their poo poo are right isn't that how things usually work
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Jan 5, 2022 01:46
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Alobar posted:why do you hate america/freedom/etc??? i mean take the car and then immediately sell it
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Jan 5, 2022 02:01
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Doctor Jeep posted:since I'm not a climate scientist I have no other choice than to take it on faith that these people who have been educated to know their poo poo are right right and our society is collapsing precisely because those experts who "have been educated to know their poo poo" have lied and conned enough people enough times that no one can trust them unless someone that you already agree with says to trust them. if society was functioning correctly none of us would need to know anything about the global warming potential of methane, the varying efficacy of mask types, or the signs of dangerous failure in concrete. instead our society is failing and we can't trust the experts on any of those topics, so instead we're all forced to "do our own research" neolibs/libs like to mock the right wing idiots who "do their research on facebook" while they wisely have been educated on the *correct* sources of information. But even then, this thread knows that smugly saying "climate change is no big deal, a noble winning economist said so!" is just the boogie version of "doing their research on facebook." and this process of not just ideological splintering but epistemological splintering shatters the shared definition of reality. and how can a society survive for long if it can't even agree on what reality is.
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Jan 5, 2022 02:14
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